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DarkFluFFy
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Getting High On LIFE
#5268151 - 02/06/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't do drugs anymore, I think its not very good to rely on drugs for making us feel better. So Ive been searching, how can I receive a high on life? A natural state of happiness and at the same time confusion of the world. Looking at where I began, life seemed pretty dull, I remember getting all pumped up for the next shrooms trip, ahh life wasn't good enough shrooms will show me the way. But after the trip I came back to the same state I had always been in. Bordism of life, life just seemed dull, a chair was a chair, a elephant was an elephant. I seemed to have answers to every single little thing, the universe was created from the big explosion, humans evolved from the first tiny microorganisms created from a combination of unstable chemical reactions, i dunno. Ive been thinking allot lately, driving at night under all the the city lights, is there really more to life? How the hell would I know the answers to life, how the hell do we know where not in some big fuckin hologram like the matrix? We cant view whats outside of our minds because its our minds that are creating the conscious and subconscious thoughts of reality. Thinking of this alone gives me a little spark to life but still I have that background feeling of bordism. I don't know if you want to call it enlightenment or what but I know there is another altered state of mind out there, its just reaching it that is the problem. Ive learned the harder I try the worse it gets but if I start excepting things I get a more and more "high" feeling on life. But still, its not great enough to actually be called a "high". Still have the bordism feeling. I was wondering if anyone have searched under this voyage, and ideas or clues people want to leave out. It would be great, I think we should explore as much of life as we can while we are here, how do we actually reach these new states of consciousness? Is the society so deeply rooted that we subjectively cant reassemble are self's in new way? Lets help each other out here
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eligal
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: DarkFluFFy]
#5268392 - 02/06/06 02:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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this search has been going on for centuries.
and it seems that it will never end. but its not the goal, its the search and struggle to find and achieve that goal
cheers to you boio!
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: eligal]
#5268442 - 02/06/06 03:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i know exactly what you're talking about and i've been in the same situation as you describe. for me marijuana was the drug id look forward to, id smoke it every day and everyime id get high id feel reconnected to that "river of life" as i call it. but despite any insights i got from the experience, when i came down i'd never be quite where i wanted, i'd never be able to stay emersed in the flow. eventually it dawned on me that drugs were not the way to acheive what i was looking for and so i gave them up. after that, learning to get high without them was a long and arduous process and i didn't succeed for almost a year. the way i finally broke through and learned to alter my conciousness without drugs was by following a spiritual teaching. and i don't mean just reading a spiritual book and musing over the ideas presented in it. i mean making a firm commitment to practising and following the whole teaching. obviously this takes a degree of faith in the teaching and the teacher and a great amount of personal effort, but my desire to transcend the very limited state of consciousness i was living in at the time was so great that i really didn't have much of a choice. it was either this or go back to drugs. so that is what i can recommend to you because that's what worked for me. i am now finally learning how to live the river of life (which is pure joy) without any drugs. some other things i can recommend are classical music (especially mozart and handel) these both seem to have a tremendous effect of raising my consciousness. exercise, spending time in nature, good eating and sleeping habbits as well as positive interaction with other people and helping/doing service for other poeple.
Edited by Deviate (02/06/06 03:28 AM)
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daimyo
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: DarkFluFFy]
#5272371 - 02/07/06 06:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I quit smoking a couple months ago, and it took a good while until I was able to enjoy the day. However, my "high" starts when I wake up now. I'm just glad to be alive and not in jail.
I workout, go to the range(pistol/rifle), read, and most importantly, cook. Cooking is the greatest thing since...uh...anything. Brings me more joy than I can convey. I get to experiment, create, and eat healthy. Then if it's good, I have a good meal. If not, I have something to work on. No more shitty fast food(worst shit in the world). I try not to eat out at all unless it's a top notch place really.
Get into cooking. Oh, and be sure to get some sex. A healthy dose of fucking does the body good.
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DarkFluFFy
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: daimyo]
#5277106 - 02/08/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I could use some sex
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: DarkFluFFy]
#5278525 - 02/08/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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For me, achieving this state of happiness meant removing drugs and booze from my life, and replacing them with good diet, exercise, and plenty of water. Sounds corny, but you won't know how good you feel when you treat your body right, until you're actually there. I was a pothead for years and am just now realizing how unhappy I really was always being in a daze. I'm totally disenchanted with drugs anymore, they don't produce any real results or answers in my life.
Positive relationships (and good sex with the package) will improve your mental health and outlook tremendously. So, diet/relationships/exercise. Easier said than done, but if you can find a good mix of the three, you won't look back to drugs for anything again.
Definitely not preaching, because I've been on both sides of the coin, but being sober is a very nice place to be.
-------------------- To find a place to live between the negatives and positives.
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: Holydiver]
#5281404 - 02/09/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I recommend excercise, eating healthy, and being productive. Become a part of your community, make a difference. Smile at strangers, have conversations, enjoy walks that go nowhere. Accomplish things. Sit and relax for the sake of sitting and relaxing. Meditate. Be grateful for the world around you, and love it every chance you get. Dance.
Each moment is completely unique. It has never happened before. It will never happen again. Even something simple like standing up, if you do it with full awareness and appreciation for your body, physics, the chair you were sitting on, your posture, everything... becomes a spiritual experience of its own.
Life is good.
-------------------- /opinion .sean
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DarkFluFFy I am like that all day, all night and every day of my life. The further you travel down that line of thought the more it will hurt. It is not for the weak. You risk a very unpleasant revelation. The rabbit hole if followed too deeply leads to Ben-hinnom.
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Edited by Dmonikal (02/09/06 07:54 PM)
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: DarkFluFFy]
#5283847 - 02/09/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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My opinion...........
Yes you can get high on life. Happens to everybody............ie....adrenaline, endorphins, dopamine receptors. All naturally in the brain, activated at some points in time in your life.
BUT
With every "high" there is a come down. At some points in your life you will be "down". Like coming down off drugs. Which may mean weeks or months of feeling depressed.
Just My Experience.
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Pretty much know exactly what you are talking about. I don't let myself be fully happy, because I have this notion that if I do its because I'm not being honest with myself. It seems whenever I have a positive thought, I immediately question, and then discredit that thought. I might be reading an article about science that gets me pumped about the complexity and beauty of everything. However, I'll then remind myself that science taught us about evolution, and the fact that our, and my existence, is meaningless. If not that, then I'll remind myself of the non-existence of the self and make up something about how most likely there's nothing remarkable about the fact I gained joy from revelling in the wonder of things, that it's just playing to some subconscious desire etc. etc. These have all been private thoughts, so it's hard to explain, but I'm pretty sure I know exactly where you're coming from. I'm at the point where I don't really accept the idea of free will anymore, i.e. I'm just a conglomeration of chemical reactions producing these thoughts. It hurts, yes.
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: Ordep]
#5284593 - 02/10/06 04:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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For every up..........there must be a down.
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Ordep
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bump because I would like to see some more feedback on this line of thinking and how to get out of it
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: Ordep]
#5289567 - 02/11/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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hen buddhism refers to suffering, they refer to a vague sense of dissatisfaction (dukkha). it's not sadness per se. it's just not being content with your happiness or your sadness.
emotions come and go. you are not your emotions. you can be sad and still be happy. you can be happy and still be sad. you can be happy or sad and still be ultimately satisfied. when you come to terms with here and now, with who you are, with what's going on around you, you can be happy. then you can be yourself. being yourself is what will bring you satisfaction, the sort of satisfaction that pervades every moment of your life. when you are simply being, when you are simply doing, without the attachments and associations of little mind, you will be satisfied.
you need to unlearn all the things you think you are, to understand who or what you really are. when you let go of all that bullshit, you can grow so much more, you can feel and live so much more. you just need to know who you are.
you don't need drugs to be happy. and if drugs make you happier, then you aren't happy. happy isn't a quantifiable state. you can't be more or less happy. not real happiness. real happiness just is. it's not something you can rate on a scale. happiness that is quantifiable is just a superficial transcient thing that changes. it will go up, and it will come down.
in fact, you will always be subject to the quantifiable happiness. little mind will only go away when you die. do not define yourself by this happiness. it will always change. if you have a core to your being, then that core is never changing from it's true nature. when you can be in touch with that core, you will have the unquantifiable happiness.
so i guess.
-------------------- /opinion .sean
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Ordep
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what if I think that's bullshit, and happiness is just a series of various chemicals that are released in the brain. What if I think eventually we'll be able to manipulate our brains such that we'll always be happy, with no downs?
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: Ordep]
#5294258 - 02/13/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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if we did simply manipulate our brains to produce states of so-called happiness, we still wouldn't be happy. we wouldn't have participated in the struggles that define happiness, in the experiences that create and express real happiness. it would be a mere surge of chemical rush.
people do that already when they take drugs. even on drugs, people aren't actually happy (except maybe psychedelics, but that's not manipulating the brain so much as perception. you ever see a crack-head raise the pipe in a moment of glory and happiness? no. the chemical rushes simply provide you a sensory satisfaction. even if it doesn't go away, it loses it's meaning.
a quick note: i mentioned psychedelics manipulating perception bringing about a state of happiness. and yet most people usually come down. there probably are a few who retain that particular perception that gives them happiness, and stay that way for a while, but it's pretty rare if at all. psychedelics are useful to sort of lay out the path. somebody on these forums a while ago made the analogy of being in a forest. using psychedelics is like climbing a tree to see which way you are supposed to go. but you won't get there if all you do is climb trees. i guess you could hop from tree to tree to get to the end of the forest, but i don't think that's the intention of the analogy.
-------------------- /opinion .sean
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yoga
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Ordep
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: eve69]
#5297070 - 02/13/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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you seem to think happiness is some innate feature of the universe that has rules. I disagree, and so does biology. This "true" happiness you speak of is a healthy brain, one that is healthy with respect to each neurotransmitter we possess, every aspect of the brain that controls mood, etc. I think the idea of happiness as a quality that exists outside of chemical reactions is attractive, but biology disagrees. Of course crack isn't true happiness, it's only stimulating one NT system. (dopamine)
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eligal
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: Ordep]
#5297678 - 02/14/06 12:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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what... i think you guys are confused. crack is happiness!!
damn noobs...
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: DarkFluFFy]
#5298503 - 02/14/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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While I agree that biology plays a role in happiness, you can't deny the role of cognition. Otherwise people would be unable to quit drugs. It's what seperates us from the rats in the experiment in which the rats are given the opportunity to press a lever for food or press another lever that would stimulate a rush of pleasurable neurotransmitters (i forget which it was, but i'm pretty sure it was dopamine). the rats pressed the pleasurable NT lever until they starved to death.
a fully-grown human wouldn't do this. for some reason or the other, we are endowed with higher cognitive capabilities than the rest of the animal kingdom (although i wonder about dolphins...).
i really couldn't imagine a healthy human person being satisfied with a mere rush of satisfying neurochemicals. if a person could be satisfied with that, then he would be reduced to the state of an animal. we are capable of creating meaning. we judge.
we experience biological happiness, so to speak, but we also experience another sort of happiness. i have no doubt that the two are intimately related, weaving amongst each other like the double-helix. biological models don't necessarily deny cognitive ones. however, i don't think cognitive models can be a hard science like the biological models. cognitive psychology and science are slightly more abstract, but that doesn't make them any less fundamental.
"to cognitive theorists, we are all artists. we reproduce and create the world in our minds... if we are ineffective artists, we may create a cognitive inner world that is painful and harmful to ourselves... abnormal functioning can result from several kinds of cognitive problems. some people may make assumptions and adopt attitudes that are disturbing and inaccurate... illogical thinking processes are another source of abnormal functioning..." (Comer, Ronald J. Abnormal Psychology)
the placebo effect is an example of cognition affecting neurobiological responses. i'm not sure if the biological model provides an explanation for the placebo effect, but the only explanation i can conceive of is that our cognition, awareness, and perception directly affect our brain's chemistry.
i am not suggesting that neurochemical activity has nothing to do with happiness, but rather that there is more to it than mere chemical actions and reactions. a chemically balanced brain can still result in an unsatisfied individual.
-------------------- /opinion .sean
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Re: Getting High On LIFE [Re: DarkFluFFy]
#5298545 - 02/14/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think I may be mistaken in referring to what I am talking about as happiness. Maybe it would be more accurate to call it a state of peace. I can't help but realize that these are all words, and fail to capture the intended meaning...
It is my belief that one can find pleasure in the ups and downs of life, that being at peace with yourself can bring about a greater sense of "happiness" than mere chemical rushes. When you accept that the existance of chemical happiness posits the necessary existance of chemical unhappiness, you no longer have to be at the mercy of these for happiness, and are capable of finding a more meaningful satisfaction.
-------------------- /opinion .sean
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