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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: World Spirit] * 1
    #526810 - 01/20/02 06:20 PM (22 years, 12 days ago)

Eurosealer's suck, contrary to what the hawk will tell you. They work fine for the first two seals. After that, the battery is too dead to seal the thick bags.

Just get a real impulse sealer from ebay. There are almost always several on there for $40 or less. I got a 12 in sealer for $20 or so.

Bags aren't for the ecologicaly sensitive as they aren't reusable like glass is.

Also, they require a good bit more sterility as you will need to cool the bag in a sterile environment, then innoculate it, then seal it. That's a much larger contam risk than a pf or polyfill style jar which is sealed and filtered as soon as it comes out of the cooker.

The alternative spawn bag that I can't believe more people don't use is 3m's method. Use a autoclavable bag without a filter. Use polyfill quilt batting and electrical tape to seal the top. Cheaper, doesn't require a sealer, can be innoculated via needle through the batting, and can be sealed prior to cooking. I recomend either doing that for bags, or get a real impulse sealer (and a flow hood IMO).


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: ralphster44] * 1
    #527214 - 01/21/02 09:02 AM (22 years, 11 days ago)

hawk, check http://www.theforestfloor.org/archives/main/3m's_No_Shake_Grain_Tek.html for 3m's bag tek. Works well and certainly worthy of any comprehensive faq that gets put together.

The eurosealer I had was battery operated, and sucked. The batteries died after one use. It would work for thin bags, but not the large thick ones.

Ralph, of course bags work well for pans. They work for any fungus. What you put in the bag is the species specific part. Bags of grain spawn can be used to grow cubes as well as pans as well as garden giants. For an example of pan specific bag info, however, check:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum4&Number=377568&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&part=1

Sealed bags in a PC will pop. If they don't pop, then they probably just made little holes in the seals that you can't see. The filter patch doesn't let enough air through fast enough to compensate for all the steam. That's the beauty of 3m's way. The batting keeps the bag from popping, but keeps it sealed as well.

Then again, I almost always used filter patch bags, grain transfers from quart jars, an impulse sealer, and a flowhood. The way it was meant to be. I guess you can skimp wherever you want, but bags and sealers are cheap. Flowhoods aren't absolutely neccessary, but if you make your own, aren't that pricey either.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: ralphster44] * 1
    #527433 - 01/21/02 03:12 PM (22 years, 11 days ago)

Oh, I guess you guys are talking about fruiting inside the bags, rather than using them in place of jars. I'll defer to others on those issues. You can fruit in bags, but I was always into the hobby enough to do things "the right way". I don't have any idea if pans will fruit well in the bag, but do know that you can use the bags in place of jars for them. I would guess that if you're trying to fruit pans in a bag, they will still need the thin casing layer that is par for the species.

I wouldn't be too worried about a tight seal after the first flush was harvested from a bag though. I'ts basically just a cake in a terrerium at that point.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: Nighted] * 1
    #527519 - 01/21/02 05:16 PM (22 years, 11 days ago)

You are right of course, hence "right way" being in parenthesis. I don't want this thread to digress to comparisons of teks. This thread is for bags vs. jars. I simply meant that I was always willing to put in the work to get the best results possible. Nothing yields better than optimized traditional methods (look at the pic to the left). Then again, some people don't want to put forth all that effort, and that is understandable.
Fruiting in bags could be a lot of help for a lot of people. Hell it may even become a revolutionary "innovation" like the PF tek. But for people like I was, it will only be a option, not the "right way".
If we were to start comparing methods, the most comparable method to fruiting in bags would be fruiting in jars ala the sea monkey tek. Regardless of the sea monkies merits, fruiting in bags certainly beats the shit out of it.


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