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I wonder if this is A. Pantherina?
    #5267236 - 02/05/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't want to crowd up the board, but I could not resist showing this specimen, found within 1/4 mile of those Stropharia, under an old oak. Currently, it is about 3in wide, 3.5in tall or so... I wonder... Could always be Gemmata or even Phalloides I guess.



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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5267276 - 02/05/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That is close enough looking to phalloides for that to be the safe assumption. Cool find though - and your strophs are neat too.

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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: xmush]
    #5267652 - 02/05/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmm, on second thought it looks a bit like Ocreata. Still, I think it may be a panther. It should become more evident as it matures, eh?


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5268822 - 02/06/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That is not a panterina.

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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5272121 - 02/07/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

In that case, do you have any thoughts on what it MAY be? Thanks.


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5272173 - 02/07/06 01:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It is hard to be sure of anything with just a picture of that angle. If you dig up the base of the stem, photograph that along with more angles (gills, etc) - that will at least give us more info to work with. Some pictures of it in various growth stages also would be nice.
In most cases it will be impossible to identify down to exact species though, even with extra info, especially over a message board. With more info one could at least attempt to look over a key to at least section, if not species.


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: eris]
    #5272192 - 02/07/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmm. I am planning on uprooting it, so to speak, when it has opened up and is fully mature. Then I suppose we can actually start taking a more informed look at the sucker. Maybe tomorrow! It grew 2 inches upwards in a single night, so 3 days later (tomorrow) ought to yield some interesting results.


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5277930 - 02/08/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It matured into a phalloides. No pictures needed. Something humorous about the whole thing...


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5280153 - 02/09/06 12:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You should still take a picture of it if you would..I'de be interested in seeing what your phalloid looks like matured! Good thing it wasn't mistakin for a Pantherina


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: AKSE]
    #5280705 - 02/09/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, why not take some pics anyway.


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5283361 - 02/09/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It is kind of a strange feeling to realize that a mushroom that you might have potentially consumed (or at least knew of others consuming it) turned out to be deadly! I actually had the opposite experience. I noticed a patch of what I thought were death caps for a few days before I took a closer look and realized they were all amanita muscaria var. formosa. I later consumed them! Believe me I was about as cautious as could be following that though.


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: nycomyco]
    #5300482 - 02/14/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, well, well. I decided to take some pictures of this sucker. Upon closer examination, it does not appear to be phalloides, due to the placement of the ring and veil (evident in the stalk picture). The stalk is hollow, and as you can see the color is silvery grey... I've been reading, but I haven't been able to find a definitive ID. Anyone care to hazard a guess?









Ignore the other appetizers on the plate...Just the other results of today's hunt. Note the 1/5in. margin between the stalk and gills in the last pic. The pendant ring is about 2/3 down the stalk, nearer to the base...Another interesting thing about this mushroom is that there is absolutely no smell...


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5301034 - 02/14/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wow I am not sure what to say. I've never encountered any amanita like that in my hunts..

The grey cap with white blotches suggests to me that its not a phalloid. Aren't phalloides nearly all white?


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: AKSE]
    #5301177 - 02/14/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Except for it's appearance, it meets pretty much all of the written attributes for panther. However, the white blotches on the cap seem a far cry from usual warts... Unsure... I think phalloides can be yellowish.


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5302377 - 02/15/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That second picture looks a lot like phalloides.

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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5302535 - 02/15/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Phalloides *margin not radially lined.


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5302982 - 02/15/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for pointing that out LouiseLouise

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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: xmush]
    #5490760 - 04/07/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

just ran across this couple pages back from about three weeks back.....little before my time.....havent seen much in the way of Amanitas here.....maybe a good thing?.....this is Amanita gemmata.....wanted to point out that I've found more A. ocreatas and
A. phalloides occasionally with striated margins as they age than I can count....but is not the norm.....and when collecting your Amanitas you MUST have ALL the hallmarks of identification present in combination.....even if you feel 100% positive on your I.D......if its missing even one I.D. marker.....better left for the next.....things like velar can be evanescent for many reasons or never fully developing distiguishing remnants at all!.....or confusing combinations contrary to I.D......and color variations can be extreme not always to the norm for any species, and not always neccessarily weather related.


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: shroominDole]
    #5490935 - 04/07/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not familiar with Amanitas myself. The one time I tried Muscaria, I didn't enjoy it at all, so I have no interest...The entire family is toxic to some degree or other, and it's not even considered psychedelic, but a delerium. And funny the original poster is from the Sierra Foothills, because just last week, a family from Sacramento (immigrants) was hospitalized after eating some from that very same family....Link with video >

http://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=16767


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: auweia]
    #5490949 - 04/07/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

also, of course, for those that don't know yet, even relatively famous people can fall victim. If you drink Sebastiani wine from the Napa valley, now you'll know the rest of the story

>>> http://www.albionmonitor.com/9701b/mushroomrisk.html


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: auweia]
    #5491028 - 04/07/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Dont eat any of those you crazy SOB!


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: DaveTX]
    #5491037 - 04/07/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:smile:


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Hmmm... [Re: DaveTX]
    #5496930 - 04/09/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Whatever Amanita it is, it fruited well into March, and is just now fading out...


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Re: I wonder if this is A. Pantherina? [Re: auweia]
    #5497566 - 04/09/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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"........at all, so I have no interest...The entire family is toxic to some degree or other, and it's not....."




great link, though they account for most deadly poisonings in U.S. certain Amanitas are also considered among the choisest of all edibles in world with no toxicity related  :uptosomething: :thumbdown: :thumbup: :smile: with quite a historical background as da kind edibles (Ceasars Mushroom?) Amanita ceasaria.....here's what a popular field has to say about the one and only Amanita velosa......."Edible and Incredible! Most objective fungophiles rate it far superior to the better known A. calyptrata and A. caesaria. At any rate it sweeter......." many books have always listed  A. Gemmata (above) as edible but actually can contain same chemicals as A. Pantherina from possible cross X breeding which can land you in the hospital......some of the others I've eaten over the years with no problems what so ever are......A. novinupta, A. rubescens, A. pseudorubescens,  A. calyptrata, (exceptional), A. calyptratoides (exceptional). A. parcivolvata, (beautiful), of course A. velosa, A. caesarea, A.constrictra, A.vaginata, and more with absolutely no probablems whatso ever!.......have many times found A. velosa pure white.!......and A. ocreata approaching the color of light colored A. velosas and that is very common.......


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