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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5286952 - 02/10/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

then you got to convince people to send you cacti. if you had a bunch you where willing to give away first of all it might work. but mostly punk kids lookign for somthing free. very very hard. admirable thought


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: the man]
    #5287045 - 02/10/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Here, I have been following this thread for a while.
What needs to be done is, you have to make a $20 donation to receive the cutting. When you donate a cutting you will get your money back. Boom, people looking for freebies are screwed. Plus you can put the money in a 4% savings acct and make interest to cover costs like the website.

Edit, and you could ask for real donations to keep the project running and to increase stock right before the refund.
Could work very well.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Jaeger]
    #5288132 - 02/11/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think the free cacti ring should be for those with a bit of flow and the goodwill to share and not for leeches. That said, there's no simple way of judging how that could be enforced, except insofar as a sort of BYOB, maybe a BYOC, if you will. For instance, I have a cacti, and I give one, I get a credit. Maybe after five credits I get a pass called Kudos. At first, maybe the credits or kudos get their choice cacti from the pool. New comers do best to divy up some goods for credits then they get their choice at a first come first serve based on availability of strains. Furthermore there can be supporters who merely help out for no reason, which would be myself more than likely. A little, but a little's better than nothing. For instance, I have a small Peruvian that's four years old but doesn't like me, so I'll give it to someone, including the stamp just because I believe in good karma, and if one of my allies is happier elsewhere then it's all in God's good graces. Now that I think about it I have some small Carton Grandes I could add as well. So it coould be fun. Why not. Let me know by PM if it takes off please.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: eve69]
    #5288886 - 02/11/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

free seeds wouldn't be a huge issue... trying to track someone sending seeds in the mail is pretty damn hard. However, sending plants / cactus in the mail is a pain in the ass.

All that entitles into you sending a plant of some sort in the mail is not an easy task.

Most rare ethnos are climate aclimated... and would most likely die in transport, or die from someone who knows extreamly little about that plant... Or just what they have "read" off the net.

while cactus sending isn't that hard...
you would be far better to start a free ethno seed ring.
it would last longer, and be easier to maintain.

there are only 3 or 4 real cactus that anyone would want as a live cactus... and how long do you think it would take for the govt. to catch on and but the smack down on that.

Grow what you love, and go about it the ways you need to go get it, grow it, and NOT abuse it.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: kolizion]
    #5288903 - 02/11/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i dont know why i waste my time posting on this. but there is also the nature of living plants as they do die or carry parasites. and to many variables in teh size age ect


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: kolizion]
    #5288905 - 02/11/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5289748 - 02/11/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So would the goal of it to be to hasten the illegalisation of san pedro? That sounds like one possibility of something like this.

I don't think a FCR would work. Hate to be a doubter but it just seems so overly complex when people can easily either buy a cactus from their local department / garden store, or arrange private trades with friends or forum members, or buy from one of the numerous online suppliers.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: zee_werp]
    #5290366 - 02/11/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Overly complex? This thing is simple to me. Cactus cuttings are secondary, and it's illogical to think a cactus ring is going to push them into legal scrutiny. That's gonna happen from all the sites which sell them as alkaloid rich wonder plant popular for psychedelic ceremonies. You should appreciate this approach a little more.

The ring is firstly a seed exchange. To those who think it's too much of a hassle to pull off, you're not the ones pulling it off anyway, so no problem.
The cutting's aren't to be sold for drug purposes but growing. How to ensure that people are getting them for quick fixes, it's not known yet, maybe by giving cuttings that are too small for any decent dose, maybe by only giving them to reputable people... First the ring will take off and we'll see how things go. Claiming failure before anything's even attempted is not an impressive attitude, in any case.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5290429 - 02/11/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

and teh turn aroudn time from seeds to a seeding cacti can be many years. not a month as with spores


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: the man]
    #5290731 - 02/12/06 03:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I admit some good ideas have been raised here and it is an awesome idea in theory. From reading the posts I had the impression that it was going to be a cactus plant / cutting ring rather than a cactus seed ring.

Sure, if there are people out there with loads of spare cactus seed lying around then there's no reason to not give it a shot.

I'm still not too sure about how it would logistically work though, after 6 years of growing cacti I haven't yet harvested any seed of note, despite multiple attempts at aritficial pollination. But there are others out there who are probably more active in their propagations than I am who may have spare seeds or cuttings to use for it.

But yes some great ideas raised here, eve69 made some standout points as did many others.

Sorry for being initially pessimistic, I too would really love to see this plan come to fruition, despite the fact that I wouldn't be able to use it...damn tight NZ biosecurity laws!!


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: zee_werp]
    #5293652 - 02/13/06 02:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Glad to have you hoping the best for this zee_werp  :smile:

Everybody,
I have everything organzied and am prepared to put it all into effect. I'm waiting for a pm reply from llamabox, and then, if everything's good, I can start a thread announcing the commencement of the cactus/ethno ring.

Jaeger and eve69, thanks for both your ideas on the cuttings  :thumbup:
I think eve69's idea will work the best, however cactus cutting credit should also be given to those who donate particularly special seeds, or someone who has a good reputation with trusted growers, since not every aspiring grower already has a cactus to donate a cutting for the sake of receiving another cutting.

All details will be in the C/E ring commencement thread once it's made.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5296070 - 02/13/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Pm'd
Any question regarding US shipping may be made to my PM for now. Any ideas or comments on ethno seeds in the US please PM..


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: llamabox]
    #5296762 - 02/13/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I absolutely LOVE this idea, it is so damned....practical.
I just planted a cutting of what I am almost sure is a trich that I took off of my neighbor(yes, he said it was okay. I'm not an ass.). If it isn't hallucinogenic....meh, still an amazing cactus. But yea, I have been wanting to start growing cacti, and this sounds like a great way to start. Would I be able to get some seeds to propagate if I were to make a cash donation, seeing as how I have absolutely no seeds to offer(sorry!)?
But yea, brilliant idfdea, and I am looking forward to seeing how it turns out.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: whatever123]
    #5296786 - 02/13/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Donations are great, but not needed to recieve seeds. All you will need to do is pay for the stamp. Once things get finalized with the web site we will post a new thread.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: whatever123]
    #5296797 - 02/13/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm very interested in starting to grow cacti, I would love to graft some peyote onto some pereskiopsis, love the idea and the look.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5296832 - 02/13/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

NICE! But yea, if I take something from this without giving back, I just feel a little freeloady. Because I know, fees to host site, plus I would like you guys to have some cash to possibly get some seeds that you are harder to find, so you can send those, too. I don't know, I just want to support this, it is so damned positive.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5296853 - 02/13/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If it was seeds only, (Legal of course), I would be willing to add the ring to the FSRC site and services. It wouldn't be that difficult for me, cause everything is already in place.
As far as cash donations to buy stock... it will cause problems. Donators would be better off buying the seed and donating it themselves.

It sounds interesting, but would probably take a while to catch on.

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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Shdwstr]
    #5296864 - 02/13/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

who knows, could kick off hard and then die down, could stay strong, could work well for a long time. hard to tell.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: whatever123]
    #5296872 - 02/13/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hell, I think a pereskiopsis with some peyote would be an awesome present for my friends and relatives for christmas and their birthday, and I would love to send them to other folks who want to start their own cactus growing.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5296891 - 02/13/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

peyote is such a cute cactus...am I the only one who thinks this? Every time I hear people mention peyote, they talk about mescaline and stuff, but I think it is just as cute as a button(sorry...had to say it)! But yea, It is an awesome looking little dude. Sorry for derailing the topic....just ignore this.


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