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Free Cactus Ring
    #5267004 - 02/05/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, I'm making this post because Vertigo6911 encouraged me to after I said "there needs to be a free cactus ring" in another thread. So this is a thread to find out who's in favor or not, and what people's thoughts are on the subject. I am not saying that I can work as homebase for any such organisation, this is at the moment data collecting. I also think this thread should be made known in other Shroomery forums, and elsewhere, as the visitors to the Ethnobotanical Garden forum make up a smaller number than those who would have an opinion on the matter. I'll leave the spreading of the idea to you, just mention this thread in a relevant post or something.


As an example on what a Free [X] Ring is, this is the Mission Statement as written on the Free Spore Prints website, http://www.freesporeprints.org/htm/fsp.htm

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FSP (Free Spore Prints) is a non-profit organization that was born in 2005 thanks to FSRE's (Free Spore Ring Europe) support. FSP's main goal is to share as many spore prints of edible mushrooms as possible worldwide. FSP doesn't earn anything by doing this, as all the money we receive is used to pay for postage fees and maintainence of the website. The only thing that we urge from you is that you enjoy mycology with your prints that the FSP will help to provide.

We?re against the ideal of HAVING, and we support the ideal of SHARING.


# Who are we?

FSP was born with the sole purpose of facilitating the sharing process of edible mushroom prints between mycology lovers.
We?re an organization that collects and shares donations at a very minimal charge--that is, you only pay the shipping cost for us to mail to you.
We are a non-profit organization, which can only survive by your donations. Without them, the FSP will be forced to "close its doors".


# Why share?

When a new strain catches your interest, you have two choises: You could pay an enormous price for something which in reality should cost hardly anything... or, you could try someone like us who will give it to you for free (add postage costs), and then make your own prints to give back to us. Everyone benefits!
The FSP only asks that you please share to spread the wealth and keep our project going.


Are you interested in a free cactus ring?
You may choose only one
Would you use a free cactus ring?
You may choose only one
Would you contribute to a free cactus ring?
You may choose only one
Could you help with the maintenance?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (02/05/06 06:22 PM) to (No end specified)
View the results of this poll | Filter by response



Edited by Disco Cat (02/05/06 08:07 PM)


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5267140 - 02/05/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

free seeds or whole cacti? shipping woudl be a big issue aswell as cacti take long to grow and generally are more valuable then a spore print which anyone can make 30 or 40 of for almost nothing.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: the man]
    #5267196 - 02/05/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, they would cost more to ship. But the receiver always pays the shipping, and only the shipping, just as with the free spore ring.

It would be for seeds and cuttings. Why not do both? Availability depends on what people donate. With cuttings, I can see an issue if one person wants to take too many. So to counter that a limit can be placed on how much one person can take - depending on what the availability is.


Also, this ring would be to share all kinds of rare cacti, not just the ethno's. Another positive side to a FCR would be that it would result in many more people growing these plants.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5267593 - 02/05/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What if the cactus ring were to also distribute other rare ethno seeds as secondary?


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5267624 - 02/05/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

if something as broad as 'ethnobotanical seed' cannot succeed on this site I see little hope for something like this.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: faslimy]
    #5267749 - 02/05/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what makes u think the thread is not succeeding?
its kinda slow now, but what do u expect in winter...

anyways, maybe this would work better as an auction type thing...


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5267773 - 02/05/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

As an auction items would end up selling for normal prices, plus it looks like most people interested would give to the ring. I don't see why a ring wouldn't work.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5268550 - 02/06/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I like the idea of a cactus ring. It would be worth a try, Ive realy been getting into growing rare and sacred cacti (and other rare and sacred plants) I think it would be a nice easy way to have access to trade and try growing a new species, spread them out more (then maybe they wont be so rare) and I would be willing to help out what i can w/maintenance on part of the site or what ever you may need.

i also agree it would be kinda cool to have a side section or something for some other ethnos.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5269198 - 02/06/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see how this would work.
Free spore ring yes, free MJ seeds possibly, but free cactus?

So you get your seeds, grow them for a decade and then donate seeds back to the ring?
Won't work.

You could start sending cuttings, but then you'll have a massive problem with shipping and storage. Someone has to have a greenhouse to store the cacti, and time to water them and check for pests, you don't want spider mites spreading through your entire inventory. Shipping will have to be in boxes, which makes it more expensive and less discreet than simple envelopes that sporerings or even seedbanks use.

It will take a genius to overcome all these obstacles.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: koppie]
    #5269218 - 02/06/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Are you interested in a free cactus ring?

Yes


Would you use a free cactus ring?

I don't know.

Would you contribute to a free cactus ring?
You may choose only one

Possibly

Could you help with the maintenance?

By donating, possibly.

I am definetely going to contribute to the spore ring. Thanks for the link.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: barto]
    #5269256 - 02/06/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

can someone recommend an easy psilocybin or psilocin grower from that available list?


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: koppie]
    #5269950 - 02/06/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

koppie said:
I don't see how this would work.
Free spore ring yes, free MJ seeds possibly, but free cactus?

So you get your seeds, grow them for a decade and then donate seeds back to the ring?
Won't work.

You could start sending cuttings, but then you'll have a massive problem with shipping and storage. Someone has to have a greenhouse to store the cacti, and time to water them and check for pests, you don't want spider mites spreading through your entire inventory. Shipping will have to be in boxes, which makes it more expensive and less discreet than simple envelopes that sporerings or even seedbanks use.

It will take a genius to overcome all these obstacles.



Seeds are cheap. I would guess that enough people will have seeds from different cactus/plant varieties which they don't have use for. Take a look at ebay.

On the issue of cuttings, it would work easy to have donators put their name down on a list with what they're willing to share, then when someone wishes to obtain a listed cutting they would have it sent straight from the donator, no greenhouse storages. Paypal would work best for sending the shipping fees.


"Hello all, thought I would share some info I received while cruising around in snail-mail. Although ...of the jungle offers the trichocereus seeds (priced at 100 seeds for $5) you may consider writing to :

New Mexico Cactus Research
P.O. Box 787
Belen, New Mexico 87002

I recently received their catalog and they have quite a difference in price (regretably I had just sent my order into ...otj). For 100 seeds the price is a whopping .90 while for 1000 seeds the price is $6. I haven't as of yet ordered anything from this company and do not know how good they are (although the catalog did not take too long to arrive). If anyone out there has any info on the service they provide I will enjoy hearing from you as I intend on ordering a few things from them. If I don't hear form anyone I will let you all know later what kind of experience I had with them."


Nobody told you that I'm a genious?  :wink:


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5270020 - 02/06/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Could turn out to be a great thing here.  Especially for those who don't have access to seeds or cuttings.

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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: barfightlard]
    #5270071 - 02/06/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That's a good point, in Canada it is pretty darn hard to find a vendor or ebay seller who will ship up here.


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5274279 - 02/07/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The number of people who are interested looks good for a poll with limited viewing. What this all will all depend on is whether or not all the required components for a ring can all be tackled.

As best as I know this is what is needed:
A website to diplay cactus/ethno seed ring information and availability, and list cutting donars. - AFAIK if someone wanted to add this to their existing site that could work. Extra traffic may be a bonus, depending on what the person's site is. Hosting a ring on its own site comes with fees. Any ideas concerning that?

Someone to design the website
Lots of cool logos and important looking links!!! j/k  :grin:
Someone does have to do the design tho, someone passionate is best.

Someone's home to be the seedbank
Anyone who's willing should make themselves known, along with any relevent information - like if these plants are a major hobby then that's probably a good reason for you to be homebase, having a PO box is a plus. Then a vote to determine after names are collected.

Theories of how this ring should operate
If different than what I've already suggested, make your ideas known now.

If these things come together then we'll probably have ourselves a Cactus/rare ethno seed bank.

Any other necessary steps I haven't listed, please list yourself, thanks.  :laugh:

P.S. - The shroomery needs a cactus icon  :smile:


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5274400 - 02/07/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:sanpedro:

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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5274444 - 02/07/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why am I not finding those? I checked "More Smileys."  :confused:


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5281972 - 02/09/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Disco Cat said:
A website to diplay cactus/ethno seed ring information and availability, and list cutting donars. - AFAIK if someone wanted to add this to their existing site that could work. Extra traffic may be a bonus, depending on what the person's site is. Hosting a ring on its own site comes with fees. Any ideas concerning that?

Someone to design the website
Lots of cool logos and important looking links!!! j/k  :grin:
Someone does have to do the design tho, someone passionate is best.

Someone's home to be the seedbank
Anyone who's willing should make themselves known, along with any relevent information - like if these plants are a major hobby then that's probably a good reason for you to be homebase, having a PO box is a plus. Then a vote to determine after names are collected.

Theories of how this ring should operate
If different than what I've already suggested, make your ideas known now.

If these things come together then we'll probably have ourselves a Cactus/rare ethno seed bank.

Any other necessary steps I haven't listed, please list yourself, thanks.  :laugh:




Well I'll list my name then as someone who's willing to host the seedbank. I might be able to host the website too. Anyone else?


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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5282683 - 02/09/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Free Cactus Ring [Re: llamabox]
    #5286487 - 02/10/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Currently the only person willing to house the seedbank is llamabox, and I am willing within Canada. Both storehouses could ship to either country, guaranteeing that you can get what you want. The idea was that it might be cheaper and quicker to ship to you from the location within your country. It also might be the case that some seeds are not legal in one country but are in another.

llamabox also says he has a greenhouse in which in he can store cuttings if anyone wants to get them off their hands and donate them. Otherwise an "available donars" list showing what's offered is still the main idea so that they can ship directly to you, while you pay the shipping, to keep the costs at minimum.

llamabox had the idea of initially accepting small donations for the purpose of buying ethno seed stock. If you want to give a few bucks for that purpose that's your call. If that is done we will list who gave what and what the money was spent on.

This idea is moving ahead, tho there hasn't been much feedback the past several days. It would be good to hear from you guys, just for encouragement :smile:

If anybody else is still interested in being home to a seedbank, either in Canada or the US, post in this thread or pm me. We want to know they'd be stored in the best place possible. I also have a 10 mb website that comes with my internet connection, that should be enough to display all the information into the following sections:
In Stock, Wish List, Current Donar Listings, Supporters, Site Info, Growth Stories and Pics.


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