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beatnicknick
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conservatives really starting to turn against bush!
#5266054 - 02/05/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=12097
i would not believe it, i was looking around the internet for good reasoning not to be outraged at bush's presidency since so many here are not. while on a conservative news website (conservatives support bush, am i not correct?), i found this article that shows a little changing of the tide. you dont have to believe me, it's in the link. i'm very happy to report that people are starting to open there eyes.
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Edited by beatnicknick (02/05/06 12:52 PM)
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: beatnicknick]
#5266139 - 02/05/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would say most real conservatives don't really like Bush. They just realize that he is a tiny bit more conservative than the Democrats.
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: beatnicknick]
#5266343 - 02/05/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Most conservatives have problems with Bush's Domestic policy, not his foreign policy.
As just a short list --
-- not a single veto yet of ANY spending increases Congress has engineered -- way too wimpy on illegal immigration -- supporting the insane "free scrips for the wrinkled" Medicare extension -- the steel tariffs fiasco (although to his credit he DID end it after a coupla years) -- failure to reign in Congress's expansion of federal involvement (especially spending) in education -- inability to get Congress to do anything about Social Security -- inability to get Congress to do anything about tax reform
Others will probably add more, but that's a good start.
Phred
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beatnicknick
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: Phred]
#5266820 - 02/05/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Phred said: Most conservatives have problems with Bush's Domestic policy, not his foreign policy.
As just a short list --
-- not a single veto yet of ANY spending increases Congress has engineered -- way too wimpy on illegal immigration -- supporting the insane "free scrips for the wrinkled" Medicare extension -- the steel tariffs fiasco (although to his credit he DID end it after a coupla years) -- failure to reign in Congress's expansion of federal involvement (especially spending) in education -- inability to get Congress to do anything about Social Security -- inability to get Congress to do anything about tax reform
Others will probably add more, but that's a good start.
Phred
Well we're discussing his foreign policy, in which this conservative article is about. http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=12097
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: beatnicknick]
#5269796 - 02/06/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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" Much of the problem is the media itself, which serve as a disinformation agency for the Bush administration"
End of credibility for that article, with the major print media and TV networks overwhelmingly liberal. One TV network and most talk radio doesn't quite measure up to that juggernaut of partisan distortion. Talk radio appeals only to those people interested in politics. Those not interested listen to music. The interested people seem to be of the opinion that conservative views are more based in reality. Similarly, there seems to be a rather robust conservative presence on the internet, once again, selected on the basis of interest. Those not interested don't view or post or blog. Given that internet use tends to skew towards youth (and youth skews toward liberalism) this is somewhat counter to your previous argument that conservatives are ill-informed brain-washed idiots. Conversely TV news networks are not at all driven by a need to appeal only to those with an interest. For most people, the nightly news, if they tune in at all is background noise. There is also the firmly entrenched liberal bias of the major print media. Most people just read the headlines, sports, and local news. The major print media outlets are the AP, the NY and LA Times and the Washington Post, all unabashedly liberal.
Tell me again how conservatives are stupid and ill-informed. I like a good giggle in the evening.
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: zappaisgod]
#5269846 - 02/06/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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well, locally speaking, the kings/hants representitive for conservatives (who lost to liberal Scott Brison) Is Dr. Bob Mullen, an addictions doctor, the only one in the area, and supervises MANY methadone treatments. During his political campaign for the conservative ideal of accountability, he dumped ALL of his patients. telling them to commute over an hour to the city to the next nearest addictions center. (those few who were informed at all) basically leaving them unsuported and withought a scource for methadone. had he won, there would be ALOT of people with no alternative but to return to opoid addictions. how is that "accountable"? and who would come forward to the media? what credibility does an addict have?
too bad hes stuck with that job. I guess he thought he was "entitled" to dump those who depend on him. if thats a conservative. Then thats a face of conservatism.
Dissing the liberals for acting entitled and unaccountable. feeling vindicated by their banner of moral values. what-ever.
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: zappaisgod]
#5270117 - 02/06/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
zappaisgod said: " Much of the problem is the media itself, which serve as a disinformation agency for the Bush administration"
End of credibility for that article, with the major print media and TV networks overwhelmingly liberal. One TV network and most talk radio doesn't quite measure up to that juggernaut of partisan distortion. Talk radio appeals only to those people interested in politics. Those not interested listen to music. The interested people seem to be of the opinion that conservative views are more based in reality. Similarly, there seems to be a rather robust conservative presence on the internet, once again, selected on the basis of interest. Those not interested don't view or post or blog. Given that internet use tends to skew towards youth (and youth skews toward liberalism) this is somewhat counter to your previous argument that conservatives are ill-informed brain-washed idiots. Conversely TV news networks are not at all driven by a need to appeal only to those with an interest. For most people, the nightly news, if they tune in at all is background noise. There is also the firmly entrenched liberal bias of the major print media. Most people just read the headlines, sports, and local news. The major print media outlets are the AP, the NY and LA Times and the Washington Post, all unabashedly liberal.
Tell me again how conservatives are stupid and ill-informed. I like a good giggle in the evening.
"For most people, the nightly news, if they tune in at all is background noise." Ah, yes. Most people just turn on there T.V., but don't actually listen to a word it's saying. Good argument for why conservatives are turning against Bush.
"Talk radio appeals only to those people interested in politics. Those not interested listen to music." How is this even an argument, its the truth. If I started listing things everyone can agree that actually didn't pertain to what we were actually talking about, well, some people (the stupid people) in the group instantly be on my side, as they can relate.
"Most people just read the headlines, sports, and local news." Oh for real? Then you must be right. Let's look at some headlines on the internet. When Al Gore made his NSA speech, what did Yahoo! do? The headline read "Bush defends wiretapping, discredits Gore" Let's read the headlines now. "Gonzales tells senators wiretaps indispensible" This is on Yahoo! which is the home page of tens of thousands of Americans. What you don't read in the headline is that he is defending it because some Senator was once again critisizing it. This is one example, if you'd like, I'll list you many more right off the top news websites of America. What were you saying?
"Given that internet use tends to skew towards youth (and youth skews toward liberalism) this is somewhat counter to your previous argument that conservatives are ill-informed brain-washed idiots."
So the youth of America, closer to their innosence then the old folks, are currently brain washing America in there evil teenage plot against peace. Quite a counter on that one there, you clever dog, you.
"Those not interested don't view or post or blog." Oh I always thought it was the opposite, but you proved me wrong. How is this even an argument? You're just stating the obvious. This is a repeat from all your other comments.
"The interested people seem to be of the opinion that conservative views are more based in reality." Source, please. I noticed that the interested people tend to be more liberal because they study up on everything more. The smarter people are too. Unlike you, I'll provide a source for this argument. http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm
Conservatives are not nescarilly stupid, in fact theres a good chunk of them are really smart, just a tad immoral. They know that this style of governing benefits the wealthiest people of America. They have the money, they can control the stupid people of America, they control the media. That's why the stupidest states in America always vote for Bush. Republicans are made up of the wealthy and the simple minded. Source: http://www.serviceleader.org/new/investigator/issues/2005/02/000254print.php
Having a good giggle in the evening?
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: beatnicknick]
#5271014 - 02/06/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Care to give any evidence that the media is controlled by conservatives?
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: Redstorm]
#5272292 - 02/07/06 03:58 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think it's a mixed bag. Fox News and AM talk radio lean decidedly Right. Many of the mainstream newspapers lean decidedly Left (New York Times for example). The main television news outlets tend to be pretty Centrist for the most part (except for Fox) although sometimes some Lefty bias creeps in.
And when I hear people talk about how all of the news media is run by arch-conservatives who want to brainwash us...I can only shake my head. Does anybody remember Abu-Graib being on the news every day for months? If the media was so conservative why did they relish such an obviously anti-American story?
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5275229 - 02/07/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think, the reason you think the news media is slightly left is because the media reports every once in a while something bad Bush has done, even if they pillow up the drop of the news on the America's head. Fox news is extremely right however, you just have to compare a story off a primary source to any news media outlet and you'll see the right wing bias quite upfront. If you want an example of how they are bias, while Al Gore's NSA speech was all over headlines in OTHER COUNTRIES not only did not a single station except C-span cover it, but Fox New's only story on it is how Bush counters some of the remarks from the speech! Here are the news results when the speech is searched for on their site:
Transcript: Vice President Cheney on 'Your World' White House Responds to Gore's Criticism
What? No video? Not even a transcript of his speech? Why try and hide it? Afraid people might read it?
I'll check another site, supposably in the "center" CNN.com news results for "Gore 's NSA speech" No results.
I could check more, or you could check out some other sites for yourself. This is just one example though. A good way to counter this for the republicans is to repeatedly smash it into there follower's heads that the media is extremely bias to the left. I say don't listen to what anyone says: make up your own mind.
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: beatnicknick]
#5278566 - 02/08/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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There have been several threads here about liberal media bias. Go for it.
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Re: conservatives really starting to turn against bush! [Re: beatnicknick]
#5278660 - 02/08/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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