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redtailedhawk
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Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead
#5265591 - 02/05/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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On my recent mushroom journey to the Land of the dead (I thought I was dead too) I had a strange thought or a warning that I should not be traveling there again. The warning implied that since this was my second journey there the spirits now know I have not really died, but that I was only passing by and will be returning to the land of the living. Since they are now aware of this fact, some of them may ?return with me? the next time I go there. What ever that means.
I do not want to debate the validity of my experience, but would be very grateful if any one of you had similar experience and is willing to share his advice on this. Thank you!
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: redtailedhawk]
#5265777 - 02/05/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bring 'em back man! What's the worst that could happen?
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: redtailedhawk]
#5265970 - 02/05/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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We have a very nice hardcover copy of The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead translated by Raymond O. Faulkner, that we keep on a coffee table in the living room. I was reading it last night while waiting for a couple to come over and go to dinner with us. The encounter with perils and entities in the 'Duat,' the realm of darkness that the Sun travelled through at night, as well as those whose Hearts were weighed and who were found to be "of diminished voice" and cast into darkness. You might glean some insights from reading this ancient document (Faulkner's is illustrated and much easier than the popular old version by Wallis Budge). Also, I just encountered this book which I may obtain for myself: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0892816...5Fencoding=UTF8
It might shed some insights into the archetypal realm you seemed to encounter. Remember, the validity of inner experiences (religious experiences, that is) only has validity for the experiencer. Moreover, if by valid, you mean an 'objective' existence beyond the psychological apparatus of an experiencing subject, you have those who affirm and those who deny. The Egyptians clearly believed in metaphysical domains. Some Jungians and occultists see the Collective Unconscious as an Astral Plane, or the Akashic Record. These 'spiritual records,' like the Biblical "Book of Life" in which all our deeds and thoughts are recorded, were first symbolized by Thoth (Tehuti) the ibis-headed one, who in the role of Divine Scribe, records the 'weighing of the Heart' (Spell 125).
The first task in the interpretation of dreams and visions in the Jungian school is to list all the players and objects, circle them and then draw lines to words that the image evokes. One then can 'amplify' the word-meaning that has the best fit for the original image or 'message.'
 Best wishes in your quest. -MtG
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: redtailedhawk]
#5266887 - 02/05/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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so you mean you take mushrooms and conciously go to the land of the dead? (that is your intended destination?)
then absolutely dont do it again. You were told by the mushrooms not to, right? and you take mushrooms, presumably, for their wisdom? so there it is, they gave you there wisdom, listen to it.
Just my take, but if you approach the mushrooms as a student, then you must listen to their lessons.
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: redtailedhawk]
#5267065 - 02/05/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah.. fear not! we are all dead...
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redtailedhawk
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: Gomp]
#5269916 - 02/06/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I did some further research on this topic and it seems that the old shamans used to practice cloaking into animals or used masks to hide their identity while traveling to the Land of the dead. They also used masks when ever attending a funeral for the same purpose (this is from Shamanism by Eliade) Unfortunately I have yet to find out why did this seemed to be of such utmost importance.
Thanks for the book advice, Markos. I'll look into that. As for the 'objective' existence of this archetypal realm I tend to be closer to Grof, Jung and the Egyptians who shared the belief of metaphysical domains, yet I still agree that these experiences are of most importance to the experiencer himself or in case of Shamanic practices for those for whom the shaman travels 'there'.
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itstarssaddam said: Bring 'em back man! What's the worst that could happen?
I don't want to bring anything back, except for knowledge and myself. I'm having problems integrating these experiences as it is.
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Moonshoe said: so you mean you take mushrooms and conciously go to the land of the dead? (that is your intended destination?)?Just my take, but if you approach the mushrooms as a student, then you must listen to their lessons.
No, my intention is to work on my personal issues in a psychotherapeutic kind of way. Yet, although I use a small dose (1,2-1,4g of P. Cubensis) I almost always 'die' and get blown into the afterlife, although I don't intend to. I think this happens because I always start to think about the meaninglessness of life and issues of death and soon after this I find myself 'dead'. This happened on other not so psychedelic medicine such as methylone (bk-MDMA) too.
So you see, it just happens. I can't really control it. The only way I can not go there is by not doing psychedelics anymore. I don't know...
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: redtailedhawk]
#5270166 - 02/06/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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how do you know that it's the "land of the dead" though, not some place in your head, or even your own "shadow?"
that's the kicker for me, dream, astral plane, land of the dead... they're all the same and i haven't found much measure in them having objective solidity. but part of me wnats to believe in such notions ...
i don't suppose i've ever tried to go to the land of the dead though, nor am i sure that I want to.
Can you not ask for protection from the mushrooms and from any divinity you believe in before taking so that you either don't wind up there, or if you do you will be safe?
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: redtailedhawk]
#5270476 - 02/06/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have entered such realms during 'bad trips'. It becomes quite frightfull especially as you feel that you are stuck in an endless loop, surrounded by distorted hostile faces who don't seem to want you there. Toghether they express one main message: "this is what it is, existence is infinite you have always been here and you will always be, now you have seen this, but did you really want to know this is what it is?" And with that they give you a clear understanding that physical life is somewhat an artificial form of existence, and make you feel like a meaningless creature. I can't decide if this is just an area of my subconscious or a non physical world, but it definitely feels very alien and real when it happens. This only occurs if I am tripping inside, and may be much related to that confined setting.
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: Monsieur_Bleh]
#5271133 - 02/06/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Monsieur_Bleh said: And with that they give you a clear understanding that physical life is somewhat an artificial form of existence, and make you feel like a meaningless creature. I can't decide if this is just an area of my subconscious or a non physical world, but it definitely feels very alien and real when it happens. This only occurs if I am tripping inside, and may be much related to that confined setting.
I've had the exact same experiences while tripping inside. I get caught in thought loops that always seem to say, "Who's reality? This reality? What reality? Who's reality..." etc, so that it feels like Im looking at a mirror of myself looking in a mirror, and so on... and everything around me looks fake and manufactured. I've decided to never trip inside again because of this.
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: Gliders]
#5277951 - 02/08/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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www.sacred-texts.org has the Egyptian book of the Dead for free. It is in the public domain. Peace
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: redtailedhawk]
#5278040 - 02/08/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh ok i misunderstood your meaning and definition of land of the dead... I visualized you taking mushrooms and intending to visit some afterlife...
but yeah i certainly wouldnt stop taking mushrooms on that account. For all their undeniable wisdom, mushrooms still make you think things that are ultimatly just crazy and nonsensical...
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: Moonshoe]
#5283264 - 02/09/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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On my recent mushroom journey to the Land of the dead (I thought I was dead too) I had a strange thought or a warning that I should not be traveling there again. The warning implied that since this was my second journey there the spirits now know I have not really died, but that I was only passing by and will be returning to the land of the living. Since they are now aware of this fact, some of them may ?return with me? the next time I go there. What ever that means.
Demons will follow you back next time. That is the warning. The mind can go to some rather strange places when we sleep. Some of them are all too real. There are many evil spirits seeking a way to this "plane" of existence. The warning may simply say don't come back or you will be taken (possessed).
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: redtailedhawk]
#5285636 - 02/10/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah shamans are known to be traveling to the land of dead but with known purposes to fight bad spirits in order to keep our world and themselves safe. But they have manthra - the protection given by shaman gods so they can fight the demons -. You don't have manthra. So you go ahead with the conclusions.
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: redtailedhawk]
#5285978 - 02/10/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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They gave you a warning? Watch out. Next time they might ban you.
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: Silversoul]
#5298898 - 02/14/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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when i travel to the land of the dead the live again thru my body showing me there past insteas of my life flashing before my eyes i see someone else its really odd sometimes the spirits dont want live thru me and get mad other times that are super grateful
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: thedudenj]
#5331007 - 02/23/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I used to travel around in the darkest places of the mind to try and master them, the dark spirts feed on fear and become what you fear them to be. in my experiences if you give them no power they cant do anything. Thats how the inner planes work in general though, they are reflections of the mind. Really, it can be anything. You believe there is a land of the dead.. so your mind creates it. You can create anything you imagine in your mind and make it as real as you can imagine.. try it. I'm not saying its not valid, this is just my theory i came up with through experience. Interestingly, this phenomenom works in real life too, being able to see things on earth accurately at far distances. Its all imagination, and its very powerful if used right.
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: secretmachine]
#5344765 - 02/27/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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thats all in your head start worrying when you start saying dead people like dude in 6th sense ;]
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: SCOBYSNACKS]
#5346699 - 02/27/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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can someone tell me what the land of the dead is?
i tried doing some reaserch but all that came up from google was the movie...
i am very interested in venturing into this place now. From what i have read in this thread, it seems that it is just a dark place in your mind, but could it possibly be another realm where the spirits go? i dont know, can someone clear this up for me, as this is a totaly new concept for me.
This seems like a very interesting place to explore, maybe the spirits will offer advice and wisdom for my life. Although i dare not venture into this area without proper reaserch and preparation.
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: redtailedhawk]
#5365787 - 03/04/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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redtailedhawk said: Since they are now aware of this fact, some of them may ?return with me? the next time I go there. What ever that means.
in one of the first chinese medical texts it says marijuana was used medically to help absent mindedness, prolong life, and in long term use makes contact with spirits.
I don't credit this because I've seen the most mind dead losers with no spirituality what so ever smoke pot. but maybe certain pyschedellics really do open your mind to other doors of perception if you take them right.
if you think that what your saying is true, ask your self next time, how did i die and where am i. im sure if your tripping hard enough the best of your logic will muster something that explains what you've just seen.
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Re: Was given a warning not to travel to the Land of the dead [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
#5369522 - 03/06/06 01:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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MJ is a psychedelic--abiet a very weak and pervasive one. After years of habitual use, one's psyche and mentality are radically transformed. The "side effects" often coined by healthcare officials such as, "lack of interest in social situations", "lack of ambition"...are all symptoms of a person becoming more "psychedelic" and shedding the materialistic fetishes of the western world.
I find it amusing that authority figures fear the long term consequences of marijuana just as much as the short-term transformative properties of DMT, LSD, and mescaline.
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