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InvisibleLiz
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What the fuck.
    #5265177 - 02/05/06 02:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This article found on boston.com seriously disturbed me.  Read it and see what you think.  I'll put in bold the part that pissed me off the most.  http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editori...?p1=MEWell_Pos5

Prescription for pain
February 5, 2006

'PAIN-KILLER" is one of medicine's overblown promises. The pain is often eased and delayed, not killed. In chronic cases, it always comes back. The last thing that patients and doctors should be worrying about as they use these imperfect medications is an arrest for substance abuse by overzealous police.

But there are places in this country where patients and physicians do have to worry. The CBS program ''60 Minutes" and New York Times columnist John Tierney have recently focused on the plight of a 47-year-old father of three and law school graduate serving a 25-year drug-trafficking sentence in Florida.

Richard Paey has had to use a wheelchair since an auto accident 21 years ago left him with screws in his spine and persistent pain. He also has multiple sclerosis. Despite three months of surveillance, police found no evidence he was selling any of his drugs, but a prosecutor still succeeded in convicting him on the grounds that he could not himself have used the 25 pills a day he was getting. Paey said he took that many pills, each of low dosage, to avoid higher-strength pills that could tempt drug abusers and draw the attention of the Drug Enforcement Administration. He is appealing his conviction.


HOW THE FUCK, can they possibly convict this guy on the grounds of "Oh he can't possibly be using that many pills a day".  What the fuck has this justice system turned in to?!....ok back to the article.  :mad:

Historically, doctors in the United States tended to under-medicate patients with chronic pain for fear they would become addicted. Improvements in medications and the development of the hospice model for treating terminal patients have led to better pain management. But doctors and patients in chronic but not terminal cases face increasing scrutiny when patients need repeated prescriptions for large quantities of controlled substances.

CBS interviewed Dr. Russell Portnoy, chairman of the department of pain medicine at Beth Israel Hospital in New York, who said, ''There is a very deep concern on the part of the medical profession that the authorities don't know anything about pain medicine and are so afraid of prescription drug abuse that they tend to investigate or go after prescribers on the basis of very weak evidence."

In Boston, Dr. Carol Warfield, chairwoman of the department of anesthesia, critical care and pain medicine at Beth Israel Deaconess, and a professor at Harvard Medical School, said that to her knowledge there had been no recent cases in this state like Paey's. But she said that here, too, doctors work in fear of patients becoming addicted and of themselves suffering legal sanctions for their prescribing practices.

Martha Coakley, district attorney for Middlesex County, said she does not think that overzealous prosecution of prescription drug abuse is a problem in this state. Speaking of her own office, she said, ''We would stop short of micro-managing" pain treatment. But she said there is a problem of prescription drug users becoming addicted to substances like OxyContin. Coakley is right that prescription drug abuse is a problem, just as the use of methamphetamines, heroin, and cocaine is. But patients will suffer needlessly if prosecutors and the DEA do not fine-tune their investigations of suspected prescription abuse.


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Re: What the fuck. [Re: Liz]
    #5265192 - 02/05/06 02:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yah that's pretty fucked, if he's got a halfway decent lawyer he should win his appeal. Still fucked he has to go through it in the first place.


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Re: What the fuck. [Re: coda]
    #5265195 - 02/05/06 02:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Poor guy's in a fucking wheelchair, with 3 kids, and they're gonna try to lock him up for 25 years, with aboslutely no evidence that he was distributing anything.

Is this what our justice system has evolved to?

Fuck this country, fuck bush, and fuck the justice system.  Fuck.

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Re: What the fuck. [Re: Liz]
    #5265200 - 02/05/06 02:36 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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ifallapart said:
Fuck this country,



Get out of here if you're just going to piss and moan instead of attempt to make a change.

Quote:

ifallapart said:
fuck bush



What does he have to do with this?

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ifallapart said:
and fuck the justice system.



Now you're on to something.


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Re: What the fuck. [Re: Liz]
    #5265202 - 02/05/06 02:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Deleted by me


Edited by Ripple (02/05/06 10:00 AM)


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Re: What the fuck. [Re: daimyo]
    #5265205 - 02/05/06 02:40 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Bush doesn't have anything to do with this particular instance, but in my opinion, he's pretty much everything that is wrong in the world today. As for doing something to change it, or leaving, we have property down in Antigua and are exploring the idea of living there full time. I'm really disturbed by the direction that this country is going in, and really don't know what to do that would make a damn difference to stop it.


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Re: What the fuck. [Re: Liz]
    #5265243 - 02/05/06 03:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Bush goes to wheelchair factories. He takes one screw out of each one, and loosens another. When the chairs collapse, he high fives people. Then, he marks up prescription medication.


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Re: What the fuck. [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5265306 - 02/05/06 04:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The whole case is a fuked up one but I do wonder what type of mediciation he was taking....it was definately a controlled substance (atleast scheudle III if not II) I assume he was trying to avoid Oxycontin, Fentanyl and Morphine...in which case these "lower strength" pills must could have only been some kind of hydro-codeine-perhaps 5, 10 mg percocets. WIth a tolerance, 250mg of hydro/oxy a day is'nt impossible to imagine---its the apap that makes me wonder. This whole generation of painkillers is binded with actaminophen.....The lowest opiate/Apap ratio per dose is 325 mg...liver toxicity begins between 4-6 grams a day. Using this rationale, He was taking no Less that 8.2 grams of apap a day---that would pickle your liver within a years time. In either case, he was not being prescribed this from 1 or 2 doctors, he had to of been double dipping/doctor shopping to aquire this amount of pills. Either the facts of the case are off, or the article is wrong but, the trafficking charge is no more than a speculation.



Despite three months of surveillance, police found no evidence he was selling any of his drugs, but a prosecutor still succeeded in convicting him on the grounds that he could not himself have used the 25 pills a day he was getting.

Paey said he took that many pills, each of low dosage, to avoid higher-strength pills that could tempt drug abusers and draw the attention of the Drug Enforcement Administration. He is appealing his conviction.


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Re: What the fuck. [Re: daimyo]
    #5265679 - 02/05/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)


Get out of here if you're just going to piss and moan instead of attempt to make a change.


What the fuck? People aren't allowed to complain about something unless they know how to fix the problem and take action? What if they don't know what to do? In that case, making the problem widely known is the only thing they can do, and that's what she's doing.

Fucking nationalists. There's nothing wrong with complaining about your country, that doesn't cause problems. Problems are caused by people who get offended at the slightest little thing, and believe that you're not supposed to talk about the country in terms other than gushy, over the top patriotism.


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Re: What the fuck. [Re: Phluck]
    #5265755 - 02/05/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:

Get out of here if you're just going to piss and moan instead of attempt to make a change.


What the fuck? People aren't allowed to complain about something unless they know how to fix the problem and take action? What if they don't know what to do? In that case, making the problem widely known is the only thing they can do, and that's what she's doing.

Fucking nationalists. There's nothing wrong with complaining about your country, that doesn't cause problems. Problems are caused by people who get offended at the slightest little thing, and believe that you're not supposed to talk about the country in terms other than gushy, over the top patriotism.




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Re: What the fuck. [Re: Phluck]
    #5265837 - 02/05/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:

Get out of here if you're just going to piss and moan instead of attempt to make a change.


What the fuck? People aren't allowed to complain about something unless they know how to fix the problem and take action?



People can complain about anything they want, but throwing Bush into the equation every time gets old. Sure he's a cock, and he sucks as president, but not every little problem is his fault. Complaining incessantly will get nobody anywhere. It accomplishes nothing. Everyone knows the problems, but nobody cares enough to do anything. Talk is cheap.

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Fucking nationalists.



There is nothing wrong with being loyal to your country. Nationalists are no better or worse than Bush bashers. Both have annoying views, and tend to push them too hard.

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Phluck said:
There's nothing wrong with complaining about your country, that doesn't cause problems.



That is debatable.

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Phluck said:
Problems are caused by people who get offended at the slightest little thing,



I agree, but this is not exclusive to nationalists.

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and believe that you're not supposed to talk about the country in terms other than gushy, over the top patriotism.





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Re: What the fuck. [Re: Liz]
    #5265841 - 02/05/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I swear, Florida cops are the worst! :mad:


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Re: What the fuck. [Re: Phluck]
    #5265849 - 02/05/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Phluck said:
Fucking nationalists. There's nothing wrong with complaining about your country, that doesn't cause problems.




in canada isnt that called sedition?


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Re: What the fuck. [Re: daimyo]
    #5265936 - 02/05/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Now that I'm awake, and not on a shitload of klonopin like last night, let me clarify my post. I wasn't blaming Bush for what happened to the man in that article, he probably didn't have anything directly to do with it. I don't even hate this country. I do, however, have an awful feeling about what the next few years are going to look like here, especially with the fact that the supreme court is now swayed conservative for the foreseeable future. Half of the world hates us, and the worst thing is, I don't blame them one fucking bit. I DO hate Bush, and everything that he is deliberately doing to run his own agenda and smash this country in to the ground. I read the news all day, and it gets a bit frustrating when it's one article after another having to do with illegal wiretapping, or killing civilians in Iraq, or thepossibility that Bush himself even suggested to Tony Blair that the Al Jazeera network be bombed.

I used to love this country, and what it stood for. Now, to be honest, I'm ashamed to be an American.


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