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Amanita muscaria Mushroom
    #5264824 - 02/05/06 01:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hello,

im looking for an opinion on this mushroom, i see it can be mail ordered. however i have read that "there are many species of mushrooms in the Amanita genus which are not psychoactive."

http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_71&products_id=352

are those psychoactive? does anyone know if that is a reputable site and if it would be worth ordering from them?

thanks.

lenny


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: lenny]
    #5264862 - 02/05/06 02:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hmm well washington state are more visual and siberain are body buzz both have psych effects BBB has pretty good stuff i like it arizona havent tried


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: lenny]
    #5265091 - 02/05/06 03:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Amanita Muscaria contains ibotenic acid, which is a neurotoxin that causes brain damage. It may or may not be present in large enough quantities to cause appreciable damage, I don't know. But really, why not just go for psilocybes and other, safer choices?


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: Zorodius]
    #5265289 - 02/05/06 05:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They are psychoactive but nothing like psiocybes and many people do mot enjoy their effects. Do some research before you try them.
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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: abrad84]
    #5265295 - 02/05/06 05:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't eat that, but it's beautiful for decoration. Don't know about that website, anyway.


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: funnybunny]
    #5265533 - 02/05/06 11:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A little history on the FLY AGARIC. In olden days they used to dip the caps in milk, so when the flys would land on them and lick them, the poison would kill them, Hence the name.


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: mattx]
    #5265544 - 02/05/06 11:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you forgot to mention they are yummy and fun btw yes ibotenic acid if injected into you brain cuases damage but if eaten does not pass brain blood barrier so no damage. so your gona want to make a tea,eat,raw,you can smoke em , make chesse eggs with em is good


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: Zorodius]
    #5265680 - 02/05/06 12:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Zorodius said:
Amanita Muscaria contains ibotenic acid, which is a neurotoxin that causes brain damage. It may or may not be present in large enough quantities to cause appreciable damage, I don't know. But really, why not just go for psilocybes and other, safer choices?




It's doesn't cause brain damage. It causes (sometimes) extreme nausea and cramps. I just powder the dry caps and put them in boiling orange juice for about 5 minutes. It worked for me, however, depending on your personal chemistry it could be very pleasurable, hell, or nothing at all.


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: Funguy]
    #5265750 - 02/05/06 01:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well said but i prefer taking some you can use chunks or powder and making scrambled eggs with cheese all the cooking makes sure all the ibotenic acid is converted so you trip harder like i said siberians will give a strong body buzz and washington state ones are more visual but diffent the psilos like the walls will look like they are covered in water and you could look at something and see a whirl pool form. Also mixing of senses you could look a brick and feel it on you or maybe taste brick its a tricky mushroom its so fun tho its good to do with friends more then alone. i recomend getting some pot and wormwood and mixing it with some of the shake of the bag and smoking that once you feeling the effects of eating


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: thedudenj]
    #5265886 - 02/05/06 01:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Amanita Muscaria contains ibotenic acid, which is a neurotoxin that causes brain damage




Zorodius : Just where did you heard that ?


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: Tinkal]
    #5266041 - 02/05/06 02:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Tinkal said:
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Amanita Muscaria contains ibotenic acid, which is a neurotoxin that causes brain damage




Zorodius : Just where did you heard that ?



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Ibotenic Acid: The current view is that some Ibotenic Acid does cross the blood brain barrier unchanged, but some is partially metabolised into muscimol and the rest excreted. Ibotenic acid, however, has been shown to be a potent neurotoxin when injected directly in the brains of mice and rats and is used as a potent brain-lesioning agent. It is structurally similar to glutamate and activates NMDA receptors, but this is not likely to be involved significantly with the effects of A. muscaria.



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Do you have solid evidence showing that it does not cross the blood-brain barrier in large enough quantities to be harmful? I doubt it.


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: Zorodius]
    #5266123 - 02/05/06 02:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well if you cook it at the appropriate temperature the ibotenic acid is turned to muscimol acid, like thedudenj said.


Edited by Disco Cat (02/05/06 03:01 PM)


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5270255 - 02/06/06 06:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

not tryin to step on your post, but the original topic has been kinda shot to shit anyhow....just wanted to ask if anyone knew what was up with amanita formosa, got lots that i found while looking for woodland weilii last year in the pine clear cuts...any information i would be most thankful for.


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: MaFiaDC]
    #5270372 - 02/06/06 07:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's generally the same situation as muscaria, but the potency is a little weaker. Cooking the acids is a definite recommendation.

Do some reading here, http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml, before you decide to do anything with them.

Here's a snippet:
"It was not until 1964/65 that these compounds, called muscimol, muscazone, muscasophine, and ibotenic acid, were finally analyzed. As it turned out, ibotenic acid is mainly responsible for the intoxicating properties of A. muscaria.. Muscimol, which is derived from ibotenic acid through dehydration and decarboxylation, is indeed psychoactive, though it is missing from the flesh of both the cap and stem. Whether muscazone, whose presence in young caps is, for the most part, negligible, forms from ibotenic acid has not yet been demonstrated with any certainty. Even less active is a compound that until now was all but unknown, muscasophine.

Muscarine and ibotenic acid are concentrated chiefly in the whitish universal veil remnants on top of the cap. The effects of these substances were known long ago to the Norwegian Berserks and were manifested in their infamous mania. Since ibotenic acid and muscimol pass through the body unchanged, in old times the urine of one who was intoxicated was reused."


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Re: Amanita muscaria Mushroom [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5272648 - 02/07/06 11:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thats not really true it really depends on the location they come from i have picked red and yellow from with in 20 feet and the yellow ones were far stronger and the red ones barely had any effect


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