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Realize one thing and you will be happy
    #5264710 - 02/04/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

We are all one. Interaction is the place where this happiness is located. Stop looking for it, its right in front of you. Realize it doesn't matter about anything other then respect. Respect other people, respect yourself, respect everyone. Its in everybody else, live to help others, and you'll be happy because you'll always be able to do it. People ALWAYS need help, ALWAYS. Thats the idea behind it all. Its intelligent. It's whatever you want but its getting on the same page as people.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: DankAne]
    #5264714 - 02/04/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Nothing is intelligent.

Everything is interesting.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: DankAne]
    #5264822 - 02/04/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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DankAne said:
We are all one. Interaction is the place where this happiness is located. Stop looking for it, its right in front of you. Realize it doesn't matter about anything other then respect. Respect other people, respect yourself, respect everyone. Its in everybody else, live to help others, and you'll be happy because you'll always be able to do it. People ALWAYS need help, ALWAYS. Thats the idea behind it all. Its intelligent. It's whatever you want but its getting on the same page as people.





right under your nose :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: DankAne]
    #5266891 - 02/05/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: DankAne]
    #5267144 - 02/05/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbdown:

i give it the thumb down.... for vague esoteric and mystical drivel.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5268322 - 02/06/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

^^^
What?s esoteric about it? Seems like a pretty straightforward statement to me. Realize we are all one, help out your fellow man, and happiness can prevail.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: jazzcat]
    #5269408 - 02/06/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Elaborate on how the sum of humanity is equivalent to one.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5269942 - 02/06/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i disagree, ever so slightly


you need 2 things

1. We are all one, that is essential

and

2. Reality, heaven, hell, earth, thoughts, insanity, dreams, all of it, every single bit is a dream, its a product of our imagination's, now some are the product of an extremely cold and calculated imagination that is very logical

but it is all imagination, its all a dream, and yes it is essential to keep in mind that we are all one.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: jazzcat]
    #5269949 - 02/06/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Just like mushman is trying to say regarding the first post....

It is a cliche, a catch phrase, for sophomoric grasp of the scope of philosophy and spirituality.
im not arguing whether or not we are all one, but merely the supposedly profound emporers-new-clothes statement in which it was presented.
To me, it just seems like someone grasping to seem profound on the surface without really saying anything.... Kind of like the presidents state of the union addresses.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5270077 - 02/06/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Elaborate on how the sum of humanity is equivalent to one.



We are from the same source -- consciousness, or spirit -- multiplied out among many psyches and bodies. Picture a circle. The outer rim of the cirle represents the physical universe, with all our individual bodies. The center of the circle represents consciousness -- the same consciousness from which all our individualities realities spring. Now imagine a line from the center -- a radius. This represents the psyche. It is our identity as individuals. It touches two points: the center and the outer circle. These are, respectively, the higher and lower states of the psyche. The psyche is in its lower state when one identifies with their physical body. It is in its higher state when one recognizes their true identity as consciousness, represented by Christ. It is in this state that we understand that we are all one. We all share the same center, and are like different lines coming out from the center. In the higher state of the psyche, we understand our common center.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5270119 - 02/06/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

How can we be individuals, yet all one?

consciousness is perception and awareness.... can you personally perceive existence as this oneness, or use this oneness to be omnipresent?

how can one define their individuality, which as you said earlier would be indulging in the physical, yet still function in the oneness?


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5270243 - 02/06/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Metaphysically, there is only one universe - which means that everything in reality is interconnected.

I can see how one such as yourself may be confused, if you are under the impression of "oneness" being a form of anthropomorphism, akin to collectivism. Yes, in reality, we are all individuals interacting with each other. But the fact remains that, objectively, there is no metaphysical line drawn between you and that, us and them, or "it" from "that".

You and I, are two different individuals. But show me where the metaphysical border begins and ends, between you and I. Simple, really.

The original poster wrote:

Respect other people, respect yourself, respect everyone.

Respect, respect, respect. Well, I'm a finite creature, and I ain't got an infinite tank of respect to be givin' out all day long. I'm gonna reserve my respect to those who earn it, not any and every person merely because they were born into existence.


Its in everybody else,

What, is in everybody else, exactly? Respect? To be honest, I've met my fair share of folks who wouldn't know respect if it bit 'em in the ass.


live to help others, and you'll be happy because you'll always be able to do it.

It may sound wonderful and peachy on paper or theory. But in reality, you will never be able to always help others. I live for myself, and wouldn't ask that anyone live for me. If I'm here to help you and you're here to help me, what good does that do for either of us? All you're doing is magnetizing yourself towards the Takers. I'm sure many of us have met the diametric of the Giver-type; the Takers. They're like bottomless buckets, they take, take and take. They're the leeches of society, of producers, traders and givers.
A much more mature approach, IMO, is to be a Trader. If you and I are both here, then we can trade values for values, and form a mutual, beneficial friendship. I can trade the value of productivity to you and you, in turn, can trade the value of profitability to me.
I see no reason why I should expend effort in giving values - which are difficult to achieve - to someone who has little to no honor and respect for such ethics.


People ALWAYS need help, ALWAYS.

I need help with my taxes, as well. People will always have needs and wants, nothing new there.


Thats the idea behind it all. Its intelligent. It's whatever you want but its getting on the same page as people.



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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5270312 - 02/06/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
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MushmanTheManic said:
Elaborate on how the sum of humanity is equivalent to one.



We are from the same source -- consciousness, or spirit -- multiplied out among many psyches and bodies.  Picture a circle.  The outer rim of the cirle represents the physical universe, with all our individual bodies.  The center of the circle represents consciousness -- the same consciousness from which all our individualities realities spring.  Now imagine a line from the center -- a radius.  This represents the psyche.  It is our identity as individuals.  It touches two points: the center and the outer circle.  These are, respectively, the higher and lower states of the psyche.  The psyche is in its lower state when one identifies with their physical body.  It is in its higher state when one recognizes their true identity as consciousness, represented by Christ.  It is in this state that we understand that we are all one.  We all share the same center, and are like different lines coming out from the center.  In the higher state of the psyche, we understand our common center.





Paradigim, that is fucking brilliant, i can display this model physically while you display it in words (hand movements of the subconscious, its hard to describe and easy to show, perhaps one day)



because psylocyberian, its not nessecarily that we are all independent (i am not, i know that and when around people as aware as i am i see how they experience reality similarly and differently as i do)

but our physical bodies and our subconscious' perception of us in space time, time and thought realms in other words.

it makes sense in the orb'd picture, imagine it like this, the outside is heaven, the inside is hell, the middle is the point of unity, the outiside is the point of diversity, and the part of the sphere that you see, the imagined part, the dream part, is the part we actually experience, our daily lives and our perceptions of others

:shocked:


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5270355 - 02/06/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, but I dont see where that interconnectedness really matters.... imagine a ball of clay, which every particle is independantly conscious and aware of itself... what does it matter, or what conclusion can be made from one particle realizing that it is only part of a big ball of clay?

What happens when that particle in that ball of clay realizes one day that it is part of an artwork which has other media, a zoom outward infinitly?

I think the entire idea of "oneness" breaks down to the dull statement of "everything is everything".... sure you can say "universe" but what does that mean? are you aware of the infinite? it is impossible to grasp everything, as well as be tuned into its connectedness be it physical, or metaphysical.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5271380 - 02/06/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Your explaination hardly seems to merit using the 'is of identity' like the original poster did. I can understand it figuratively, but in the way its stated, "We are all one", it doesn't make much sense. Unless, of course, you've given up the Atomic theory and believe in Monism...


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5271392 - 02/06/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

But show me where the metaphysical border begins and ends, between you and I

See: epidermis


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: DankAne]
    #5271435 - 02/06/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Interaction is the place where this happiness is located. Stop looking for it, its right in front of you. Realize it doesn't matter about anything other then respect. Respect other people, respect yourself, respect everyone. Its in everybody else, live to help others, and you'll be happy because you'll always be able to do it. People ALWAYS need help, ALWAYS. Thats the idea behind it all. Its intelligent. It's whatever you want but its getting on the same page as people.




Why do we need respect? We didn't get here by respecting each other; we got here by mercilessly killing each animals, plants and other human beings. We are here because our ancestors suffered torture, pain, starvation, freezing blizzards, blistering suns and ultimate death. Compared to that, respect seems a bit paltry.

People ALWAYS need help, for the most part, yes. But that doesn't mean we should give it to them. We should help each other enough to survive and continue progress, but if people are exceptionally weak and only a burden to the rest of us, why help them?

Whatever helps us survive, I guess. We do not evolve philosophically by words, but by actions, noticeably social Darwinism. If in the future, everyone is helping each other and respectful, then perhaps your philosophy will be proven right. But I doubt this will happen. I find it much more likely than we're going to blow each other up, or at the very least, maintain the status quo in terms of respect and help: That is, help others only when it helps you in some way or another. People who help others for nothing probably will not be around long, despite what Grimm's Fairy Tales say about the issue.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5271465 - 02/06/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I can assure you that I have abandoned neither atomic theory nor monism.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5271796 - 02/06/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
yeah, but I dont see where that interconnectedness really matters.... imagine a ball of clay, which every particle is independantly conscious and aware of itself... what does it matter, or what conclusion can be made from one particle realizing that it is only part of a big ball of clay?




The part that makes it interesting is that each particle is a unique faucet of the ball of clay, that is born and lives out it's own dharma and in doing so is given an incredible medium to play and experiment with until it finally concludes it's own existence.

It doesn't matter. There's no point. It's just a realization some people have made whom have chosen to manifest it into their self in order to achieve balance.


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Re: Realize one thing and you will be happy [Re: Cherk]
    #5272231 - 02/07/06 02:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What does Bell's theorem teach? Is it valid here?


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