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WordlessNature
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Sierra Nevada Psilocybes?
#5264664 - 02/04/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I discovered these specimens the other day growing beneath a buckeye, around 3000 feet. The climate was moist and grassy, fairly warm. Based on my research, they appear to be a psilocybe. Would someone be kind enough to helo me identify them? I am aware that pictures have limits... The spore prints are purple-brown. The caps are about 1.3 inches in diameter, stalks about 2 inches long, all bruising blue, as evident in the photos. Gills are brown, and the mushrooms don't have much of an odor. Thankyou! (Note: please ignore the 2 small yellow caps in the right side of the first two pics- they are different)


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Definitely appears to fit into the Psilocybe genus. Interesting find. Another thought could be the blue green stropharia species Stropharia aeruginosa... but they don't really look blue-green enough, and there is no apparent scales, so i would have to go with psilocybe.
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: eris]
#5264917 - 02/05/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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those look very similar to cyanofriscosa (the new bay area species) fruits that i have picked.
how many hours after you pulled them out of their mycelium did you take the pics?
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: Quankus]
#5264920 - 02/05/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: eris]
#5264934 - 02/05/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you for your replies. Hmm, I'm really pondering these. According to most data that I've reviewed, most Psilocybe species would be somewhat anomolous in this particular season. However, the climate has been shifting dramatically in this region, so perhaps it's not such a bizarre occurence. As far as I can tell, they resemble cubensis somewhat...Photos were taken only an hour after picking.
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As far as species goes, it may be somewhat difficult to come up with an exact species id, without a good complete key to the genus, which would probably even require a microscope. This is to be totally sure anyways - over a message board looking at pictures alone, there is far too much room for error. There actually is a large amount of species (both active and inactive) in the psilocybe genus. It is easier to say what something is not than what it is, and I can tell you that those are not cubensis.
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: eris]
#5265106 - 02/05/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmmmm. I wonder if I am appropriate in assuming a)these are psilocybin containing mushrooms b)they are evidently potent, based on the severity of the bluing c)the mushrooms are most likely safe to consume (this is, obviously, the most pressing issue at hand)
Naturally, I am also fascinated by the fact that most mushrooms I've discovered, I've found at least 2-3 times. (except for a gray, wartish amanita that has yet to mature). However, I have only managed to find these four of this particular species...
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It is a Hypholoma or a Stropharia and it is probably not psychoactive. IT appears macroscopically to some specimens of S. aeruginosa.
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Did you actually witness a color change in what you describe as blue bruising? I assumed that you meant they actually changed to blue after being bruised. If those shades of blue or green were already present when you picked them, and didn't happen as a result of damage, that could support them being Stropharia aeruginosa. Can you verify them actually bruising blue in a spot where the blue was not present when you picked them?
Stropharia aeruginosa will typically start out a deep blue green, when young - with veil remnants present on the cap and stem. After time they can dry out to a dull yellowish brown color like in your pics - and blue or green spots can be left on the caps, which could lead one to think that it was a result of blue bruising.
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: mjshroomer]
#5265476 - 02/05/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree with MJ on the likely hood of Stropharia aeruginosa. They are probably the most deceptive lookalike.
I say Stropharia for several reasons.
1) The smell: you mentioned no smell. Active Psilocybes have a distinct smell: which is hard to describe, but you would have noticed it.
2)The bluing: it seems that the mushroom is blue, not becoming blue from bruising. This is evident from the base of the stems. Where ever the flesh is damaged in a fresh active Psilocybe, it will turn blue. There does not appear to be a correlation between the blue and the damage in you specimens.
3)The gills: If you look at where the gills attach to the stem, you will see a notch. I do not recall seeing notched gills in the genus Psilocybe.
Cool finds none the less.
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: shroomydan]
#5265525 - 02/05/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree with MJ on this. The cap on the top one in the first photo looks a little too gelatinous, not like a pellicle. In fact, the question I have about that is, did they feel a little slimy on the cap? The bottom one on the right in the first photo looks a little too yellow on the stem.
I also agree with everything Shroomydan says here. It certainly does look like the blue splotches were already there when you found it I think I've seen these before around the bay area. Probably a stropharia
It does look close though, so what I would do is try to get these to the local mycological society for ID. You might have to dry them out
Also, in terms of the bluing, you would most likely see the bruising right at the bottom of the stem where you picked it, as well as in the cap. If this was an hour after you picked it, there would have been some bruising at the bottom of the stem. I don't see that
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: auweia]
#5265969 - 02/05/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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what state did you find these in?
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: tahoe]
#5267121 - 02/05/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have obtained some clear-cut Stropharia today- see what you think. It seems that the fringe coloration is different, as is the stem color. The gills on these Stropharia are more lilac colored, as well. Hmmm... Could just be a slight color variation. I am in CA btw.


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Nice specimens WordlessNature.
Notice the notched gills on both collections. The color of the gills will become darker on these as they mature, due to accumulation of purple/brown spores.
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: shroomydan]
#5267213 - 02/05/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks~ I see what you mean regarding the gills... Ah, such an enjoyable pasttime.
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Quote:
It seems that the fringe coloration is different, as is the stem color. The gills on these Stropharia are more lilac colored, as well. Hmmm... Could just be a slight color variation.
The whole mushroom can change color as it dries out and or ages. Those look like they are in much more prime condition. After seeing the second series of photos, there is no doubt, should have went with my second guess! Anyways, thanks for being persistent and collecting some more!
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WordlessNature said: I discovered these specimens the other day growing beneath a buckeye, around 3000 feet.
I dont think we have buckeyes in ca. i could be wrong though. Best bet for actives in your area is to head up to 5000+feet in the summer after a few thunderstorms and pick some amanitas.
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: tahoe]
#5272114 - 02/07/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Indeed we do have buckeye. Plenty of them. In fact, I have fantasized many times about the dropped fruit being a muscaria. Speaking of, I searched endlessly today around 5500ft for Amanita Muscaria var. Formosa. The summer, you say? Why does the stupid guide say Nov-Feb... I know that is true for coast range Muscaria, but the book I have read claims that the season is the same for the Formosa...
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belive it or not a friend of mine regularly finds fibrilosa in chico
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I believe it. Alot of people wouldn't believe it because according to tempurate zone maps I've seen, the Sac valley is outside the zone because it gets waaay too hot there in the summer. I lived in Chico for a summer right next to Bidwell park, and I remember 120 in the shade for over a month.
But in the last few years it's becoming known that the mycelium can survive extremes like that, it just goes into hibernation and dries up...Kind of like suspended animation.
It wouldn't suprise me if they grew up in Paradise either, as long as some woodchips are around..although the higher you get the shorter the season I bet.
Also, the Sac Valley gets tule fog like the coast does not get, so at certain times, like the fall/winter, it doesn't get sunny all day, so the ground stays wetter. That tule fog is like pea soup sometimes
If they've been found in Sacratomato, then they can grow in Chico..I'm just wondering how far south. Monterey yes...what about...say, Fresno?
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: auweia]
#5275749 - 02/07/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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do you live in southern ca or on the esteran slope? 5500 should be covered in snow.
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: tahoe]
#5277926 - 02/08/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fresno area, eh? Heh. I have had little luck searching for psilocybes in the foothills of the Central Valley (You know where this is, Auweia). Hmm, come to think of it, does anyone know of any psilocybin-containing mushrooms that are, in fact, native to central california, particularly in this season? Hmmm. I've gone nuts trying to locate formosas here, as well...
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: tahoe]
#5278364 - 02/08/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey About the Amanita Muscaria..In my Field guid of Mushrooms it says the ones found in North America don't cause Visions. just delirium,raving and profuse sweating. Is this true? I live in SOuthern Ontario..thought I would ask here since people were talking about Amanitas
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native to the foothills, maybe gems. there are no psilocybes that are "native" but these fib hybrids that we are finding are showing up everywhere. Psilocybes will grow in our climate but they need to put there. When i first got into mushrooms i found cyanescens in my front yard that came in on the azaleas that i planted. i called the nursery that i bought the plants form and they bought them from a nursery in sf. The mushrooms do reproduce by themselfs. humans have just helped speed up the migration.
As for the north american amanitas speices causing delirium,raving and profuse sweating, thats just part of the gig. They say this so that you wont eat them
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Amanita muscaria and related species are not hallucionogenic mushrooms. They are more of an inebriation, similar to alcohol, often causing delerium in those who partake of them, minor convulsions, uncontrolable body twiches and sleepy-dreamlike states.
The majority of people who do them once, often never do them again.
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Re: Sierra Nevada Psilocybes? [Re: mjshroomer]
#5313089 - 02/18/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Based on my research, the species we get in California (and perhaps elsewhere in western North America) is Stropharia cyanea, not Stropharia aeruginosa. The main difference is microscopic, having to do with whether chrysocystidia are found on the gill edge or not.
Two years ago, I was also given a very unusual blue Stropharia from the Stanford University campus - the pileus was so deep blue, it was practically black! Beautiful mushroom - maybe a new species or maybe just a very highly pigmented specimen of S. cyanea.
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nice!
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