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The cult of relics
#5262737 - 02/04/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Relics -- sacred objects -- have been the cause of a great deal of religious violence. They are based on the corrupt mixture of materialism with religion. People want to touch the divine, and rather than turning inward, where God can truly be found, they instead look to holy people and the objects associated with them. This is even more destructive when it comes to holy places. The ground upon which holy people walked is likely to also be the ground upon which much blood is spilled. One need look no further than modern Jerusalem to see this. Three groups who simply have different names for God do unspeakable things to each other in His name in order to hold on to ground they consider sacred. This is blasphemy of the worst kind. Attachment to things of the material world draws us away from God, not towards Him. The Kingdom of God is within you.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Silversoul]
#5262840 - 02/04/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree... except for the archaic concept of God. God is external... no matter how you spin it.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Sclorch]
#5262851 - 02/04/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sclorch said: I agree... except for the archaic concept of God. God is external... no matter how you spin it.
Blasphemy! Die heathen!
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Silversoul]
#5262870 - 02/04/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hosts make excellent sex toys.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Sclorch]
#5262884 - 02/04/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Religious objects atract both evil and good. It doesn't matter what it is. Good wants to keep it, evil tries to fuck with everyones head, trying to cause evil. It is not that any of those sides are really evil. It's just that evil doesn't want to be known as evil and does it's best to confuse everyone to it's true nature. People who think they are RIGHT and HOLY, will try to stomp on everyone they perceive is WRONG or evil. It's always the best intentions but the masses follow who they think is right, even if that person is a fool. Right and Wrong are real, it's that there are so many different versions of each, that it gets confusing. Which is exactly what evil wants. Follow your own heart not what someone wrote long ago. There are a hundred versions of every side. Do what you think is right. Believe in whatever your heart says and ignore what people do and say. Remember we are all human and we DON'T know the real answers.
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itstarssaddam said: Hosts make excellent sex toys.
Yeah, this isnt the Pub nor OTD. Threads made here are actually made to be learned from with communal input. Why the fuck would you post something like that here? Not only is it counter-productive, but it's only aim is to offend and piss people off.
Bugger off.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5263315 - 02/04/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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"but it's only aim is to offend and piss people off."
too bad for you...
his only claim to flame was taht it made you react.
rather limited, but still positive "Yeah, this isnt the Pub nor OTD."
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5263325 - 02/04/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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My post was completely relevant to the topic that is being presented, and intended to be learned from.
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wahts new?
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No, it wasnt. It's easy to ridicule religion and spirituality, and yours was a mere attempt to deface something respectable.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5263438 - 02/04/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fospher said: yours was a mere attempt to deface something respectable.
A piece of bread?
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Schwammel]
#5263439 - 02/04/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Schwammel said: rather limited, but still positive "Yeah, this isnt the Pub nor OTD."
I cant understand you.
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Huh?
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5263450 - 02/04/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shit, do you even know what a host is?
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*waits as Fospher looks it up*
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Its the wafer served in church blessed and symbolic of the body of Christ as the bread offered at the last supper was symbolized as such.
The bread has sacred symbolic meaning to religious people.
Do you believe people come to a philosophy and spirituality forum to learn about what makes good sex toys? They go to the Pub or OTD for that.
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I was implying the relevance of that post, not a definition.
You can question someone's beliefs and be constructive, but disrespectful remarks dont belong here. Not here, in any other forum I wouldnt have said anything. Many post here for the very sole reason.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5263722 - 02/04/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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why not!
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Silversoul]
#5263802 - 02/04/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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But it's good for natural selection.
Anyone idiotic enough to not only believe in holiness, but actually fight for such a delusion, is taken out on both sides of the battle. Sadly, religious people often breed a lot, thereby counteracting this effect to an extent.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Ravus]
#5264325 - 02/04/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Belief and disbelief are opposite sides of the same coin. They are both faith.
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For the disbelievers, I'll show you the truth with your own two eyes.
That's my host for this Sunday. Im Orthodox, I try to go to church at least once a month.
Dont make personal assumptions that have nothing to do with Philosophy or Spirituality such as personal attacks on whether whoever knows what the definition of a word is. You think you're dead on, when you actually completely missed the point.
All Im asking is a little respect for fellow members, and you just persist on making ignorant remarks, maybe thinking that you're trying to make a joke.
Some people speak from the heart, and when you attempt ridicule, it only reveals your weakness.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5266659 - 02/05/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just give it a rest.
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itstarssaddam said: Just give it a rest.
Im just bringing something to a close, if you dont want consequences, you should reconsider your actions.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5266786 - 02/05/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fospher said:
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itstarssaddam said: Just give it a rest.
Im just bringing something to a close, if you dont want consequences, you should reconsider your actions.
Consequences? What, you posting a picture of yourself holding a piece of bread? Actually, I hadn't given this thread another thought since yesterday, but apparently your fragile ego isn't ready to move on just yet.
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itstarssaddam said:
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Fospher said:
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itstarssaddam said: Just give it a rest.
Im just bringing something to a close, if you dont want consequences, you should reconsider your actions.
Consequences? What, you posting a picture of yourself holding a piece of bread? Actually I hadn't given this thread another thought since yesterday, but apparently your fragile ego isn't ready to move on just yet.
Wow, one of the most self-contradictory and hypocricy-ridden posts here to date!
First, you throw out one of the cheapest cop-outs telling me to give a rest after I confront your ignorance, and then ask why I relented. Well played, sir! And thanks for the lesson on my ego ... Totally relevant!
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5266824 - 02/05/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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This thread gave us the opportunity to learn what relics mean to people who value them and for all of the other philosophical/spiritual implications of relics to be expressed. Instead it turned into a bitch fest of personal attacks. Why? Because the moderators continue to neglect their duties.
*braces for ensuing drama*
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Edited by Smoker For Peace (02/05/06 04:57 PM)
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5266825 - 02/05/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fospher said: First, you throw out one of the cheapest cop-outs telling me to give a rest after I confront your ignorance
Okay Fospher, I concede that you do in fact know what a host is, and even eat them occasionally. Thank you for the closure.
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Wow. Evident in this thread is exactly the lack of humor that eventually became Swami's demise here.
If you can't handle a little joke in the form of "makes a nice sex toy" - please, feel free to crawl over to the hole which we refer to as the MR&P forum.
The last thing I want is to have some rule in this forum that reads: "Warning: Fragile Ego Zone - any and all incidents whereby one insults another's ego, no matter how unintentional or good-willed, will be consequenced with administrative force, read: lifetime, forum-wide ban!"
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SkorpivoMusterion said: If you can't handle a little joke in the form of "makes a nice sex toy" - please, feel free to crawl over to the hole which we refer to as the MR&P forum.
What makes the situation even more ludicrous is the fact that blasphemers have desecrated religious objects by using them as sexual objects throughout human history.
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SkorpivoMusterion said: If you can't handle a little joke in the form of "makes a nice sex toy" - please, feel free to crawl over to the hole which we refer to as the MR&P forum.
Did I say that my, or anyone else's views cant be questioned here? No. In fact I said the converse, by all means, question everything. But irrelevant posts prone to offensive response are nothing but trash. I was just cleaning up.
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Cool. That's not what I was saying at all, but, whatever. I did my honest best to break through.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5266858 - 02/05/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Al this reminds me of a quote markos laid on us a week or so ago. I'm paraphrasing.
"Taking offense causes just as much suffering as being offensive"
Had you brushed off his post as a joke we wouldn't be talking about this now Though I fully understand how someone poking fun at something you take very seriously to be offending.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Cherk]
#5266868 - 02/05/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Smoker For Peace said: Had you brushed off his post as a joke we wouldn't be talking about this now Though I fully understand how someone poking fun at something you take very seriously to be offending.
Um, did you realize that you just said two things that completely contradict each other in one sentence?
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"Taking offense causes just as much suffering as being offensive"
Yeah, how so? Well I take offense to some things. Maybe you laugh at everything, me, I dont. I have things which are sacred to me and will stand up for my values.
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Your reaction explains a lot of the problem here Skorp. Fosher, i suspect is not religious like myself. I agree 100% with Paradigms post and I would bet Fospher does to.
That said, neither he nor I could be personally offended. Objects are objects until we place meaning on them and I give no religious significance to any objects.
There may be readers here who do and would be clear that for those who do, his comment was disrespectful and offensive not funny.
Do you have any idea how many people leave or won't post here because of that stuff? Is this forum ONLY for those who can take ignore stomach, understand or appreciate crude rude humor?
Thats what OTD was created for. This is the philosophy and spirituality forum. What do great sex toys have to do with it?
Fine with me skorp and starsaddem if you want this to become indistinguishable from OTD. Let it tank down the sewer. I'll say no more. I have other spirituality forums to go to when this one plummets into the sewer if members and mods let it.
My apologize for interrupting starsaddams lack of self control to bring OTD type offensives into the spirituality and philosophy forum. Soon he will discourage even more posting then what would happen if people kept a better check on it here. People can debate aggressively all they want too. His comment was just meant to offend, not impart anything we can learn from.
If you want P&S to fill up with that crap skorp, why not let this forum stay distinguished from the others and just go read and post in OTD to get your offensive humor fix? Simple.
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Your black and white, all-or-nothing thinking does not convince me. There are several shades of gray, of degrees here. I, for one, have seen MANY sexual innuendos here in the past, by Swami, Ice, Veritas, me, even YOU, and others as well. The fact remains, the very context of this forum as explicity made as it is, already governs most people. This is because most people are quite rational and reasonable - in these respects, at least. This is why, as you seem to insinuate to the contrary, this forum will never turn into "crap" or an "OTD".
Do you have any idea how many people leave or won't post here because of that stuff?
Do YOU have any idea how many people won't post on here or have left, because of the occasional joke? I certainly don't pretend to. But at the same time, I remain confident of the probability that such a number - if at all existent - would be very, very small. So small, that it would be downright negligible.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Fospher]
#5266910 - 02/05/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Please tell me how I contradicted myself, it is unclear to me.
We are operating under different contexts of the word suffering, which in term makes our thoughts on the quote incongruent. My point is had you ignored the crude humor rather than displaying your offense to it, the other posters would have not ridiculed you as you wouldn't have given them an opportunity to do so
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Silversoul]
#5266913 - 02/05/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm responding to the first post, but this is really to everybody here.
The "host" is not a piece of bread symbolizing the body of Christ. It is the body of Christ: body, blood, soul, and divinity.
I know you can't understand it, it is not something to be understood; it is beyond the categories of the understanding. You are what you eat.
There are larger realities than the arrogant can perceive; there are bigger realities beyond the horizon of the understanding.
Those who think that the split between P&S and MP&R gives them license to be trolls in the philosophy forum should be warmed. Trollery will no longer be tolerated in this forum!
Play nice or be a troll, if you chose to be a troll you will be excluded from the conversation!
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: shroomydan]
#5267016 - 02/05/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: The "host" is not a piece of bread symbolizing the body of Christ. It is the body of Christ: body, blood, soul, and divinity.
Actually, we are the body of Christ, as Paul explains.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Silversoul]
#5267079 - 02/05/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You are what you eat.
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Silversoul]
#5267460 - 02/05/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:
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shroomydan said: The "host" is not a piece of bread symbolizing the body of Christ. It is the body of Christ: body, blood, soul, and divinity.
Actually, we are the body of Christ, as Paul explains.
Maybe you are, but I sure as hell am not the corpse of an epileptic Jewish fool.
If anything, we are all the body of Jeffrey Dahmer, a gay, cannabilistic serial killer. That would explain human nature a lot better. 
People here need to learn to take a joke, too. How come it always seems like it's the fanatics and religious people who get offended, and the skeptics who get banned for it? Just because we take mushrooms, we're supposed to be believe in obscure and unscientific bullshit? An interesting question, and not entirely rhetorical.
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Is this forum ONLY for those who can take ignore stomach, understand or appreciate crude rude humor?
I fuckin hope so! "Seriousness is the only refuge of the shallow."
There may be readers here who do and would be clear that for those who do, his comment was disrespectful and offensive not funny.
I don't see why iconoclasm shouldn't be allowed here. This isn't "Spirituality, Religion & Taboos". Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
I know you can't understand it, it is not something to be understood; it is beyond the categories of the understanding.
In other words, meaningless.
Play nice or be a troll, if you chose to be a troll you will be excluded from the conversation!
Please define "Troll".
How come it always seems like it's the fanatics and religious people who get offended, and the skeptics who get banned for it?
Read Cervantes journal. The Mods don't seem to actively read this forum, instead they only listen to those who complain. The complainers almost always seem to be religious minded people whose belief system has come under attack. Not to mention, all the Mods, with exception of Phluck, also seem religious. Figures.
"For the record, if you are noticing inflammatory threads and feel the moderators are not doing their duty, please PM myself or another admin explaining in detail what you believe the problem to be, including all relevant links. I want to emphasize that the request for detail is imperative, since some threads here get so long that it would take hours to go through the whole thing. While the admins here certainly cannot and do not read every post that gets made, we will always make an effort to listen to and respond to any complaints."
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Re: The cult of relics [Re: Ravus]
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Ravus said:$ Maybe you are, but I sure as hell am not the corpse of an epileptic Jewish fool.
I said Christ, not Jesus. When Paul wrote those words, he wasn't intending for it to interpreted in such a juvenile way.
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All hail Bob 
Really, better he hears it from members who weren't personally offended before someone is, does hit the report post and he gets a warning and points. No need to get mods involved when we can moderate ourselves and keep each other from pushing it and getting into point accumulation.
Why do people encourage their friends to push it, then complain when their friends get warned and banned? Can't they take a joke?
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gettinjiggywithit said: Really, better he hears it from members who weren't personally offended before someone is, does hit the report post and he gets a warning and points.
Someone did.
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