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firetech
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Soggy Casing
#5262226 - 02/04/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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My dog crumbled and cased 3 of her PF jars into a well-proportioned, coco coir casing. Because of limited money (dogs don't make much), time, and physical space, a proper incubator and fruiting chamber could not be set up for this large casing at the time. However(!), she's a very innovative dog and came up with a neat idea that would allow her to incubate her casing in her now empty PF Jar incubation chamber.
The casing was put into an aluminum baking tray. She assumed that if she let it rest in the perfect temperature water in her incubator, it would both warm the casing and keep the area it was in at very high humidity. Much to her surprise, the casing container did not keep the water out very well and the lowest level of the casing became supersaturated with water!
In a panic, she quickly took the casing outside and strained out most of the excess water. In the coming days, she noticed that the mycelium was still alive and well and growing rapidly. It has now almost entirely breeched the top casing layer entirely and, despite her best attempts, it will not pin.
She is keeping the casing at an almost perfect 75 degrees F, she's providing fresh air exchange every day, and humidity is very high. The light is on at least 12 hours a day. The mycelium seems to be growing little points that she almost mistakes as early pins, but they don't form any actual primordia. The mycelium is forming tiny water droplets on certain parts of the casing surface.
My dog is getting very worried. Does anyone have any helpful information on what to do or whether this casing will ever pin? She is pretty sure all the water only reached as far as the vermiculite but the whole casing feels pretty soggy after several days have passed. What ever will she do?
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_OttO_
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Re: Soggy Casing [Re: firetech]
#5262349 - 02/04/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pretty smart dog - I have only just taught mine to stop peeing on the rug... 
As far as your casing goes - how long since you applied the casing layer? How many air exchanges are you supplying a day? It couls also be a case of your humidity being too high....
Coco Coir has a high nutrient content and tends to overlay - esp if your humidity is high and air exchange isnt enough. Next time use a 40/40/20 Verm/peat/coir mix.
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coda
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Re: Soggy Casing [Re: _OttO_]
#5262401 - 02/04/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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dry out your casing a bit more, the aggressive vegetative growth is because the mycellium colony still detects a lot of water around. Drop the rh, dry the casing layer a bit, provide more FAE, and try to keep those temps a constant 75.
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hyphae
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Re: Soggy Casing [Re: coda]
#5262474 - 02/04/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Read my pinning strategy first. I definitely don't recommend drying your casing out more at all bro myc thrives in that environment really! Myc loves "near satration" but cannot tollerate saturation for very long so no puddles and no runoff ok?  Your close but you need to have patience remember "Patience is a Virtue" and thats especially important in this hobby. You should see pins within the next week dog. GL
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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firetech
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Re: Soggy Casing [Re: hyphae]
#5265430 - 02/05/06 08:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks very much everyone. We'll see about lowering the RH for a little while. It was cased 10 days ago. Also, an extra thanks for the peat idea. We'll look into that.
I'll let everyone know when I see some pins and report the working strategy!
Edited by firetech (02/07/06 09:40 AM)
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hyphae
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Re: Soggy Casing [Re: firetech]
#5265771 - 02/05/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If it's an option rather than lower the RH fan more as it will accomplish the same thing but will give you better results.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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firetech
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Re: Soggy Casing [Re: hyphae]
#5272719 - 02/07/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The casing was transferred into a new FC, causing a temporary loss of humidty (maybe a few hours) and resulted in a much better environment all together. 6 or so pins developed along the edges. One pinned in the middle but aborted.
Edited by firetech (02/07/06 09:38 AM)
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RemainRandom50
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Re: Soggy Casing [Re: firetech]
#5273378 - 02/07/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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great to see your dog is doing a good job. do you post for him on here or something?
-------------------- At times I get consumed by my everyday life and will leave the Shroomery. Yet, every time drugs come falling into my life for fun.....I always think about the Shroomery and then I'm back!
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firetech
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great to see your dog is doing a good job. do you post for him on here or something?
Yes. She's an excellent mushroom cultivator, but not too great with a keyboard. I can't grow psilocybe mushrooms because it's illegal, but there's some loophole that my dog found where she can do it without any legal trouble. I tried to tell her that she could still be arrested, but on top of being a mycologist, she's also a damned good lawyer and suggests that there's no way they would put a dog in prison or even on trial. Hehehe.
That pin set produced 1/4Oz. dry and there are more pins forming now!
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