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leery11
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Is Mary really a useful drug?
#5262125 - 02/04/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm kind of confused really.
Mary sure takes me out there, but she seems to just leave me confused unlike LSA.
When I've done LSA I have had some sort of voice from beyond communicate to me from the television that I should never smoke marijuana again, and it wasn't too fond of me asking if vaporising was okay.
Last night I just did 1 HBWR and had a small amount vaporised and had the best meditation ever where I got some of my chakras working.
But at the very end of the day I vaped quite a bit and retired to bed and it felt like the marijuana DESTROYED me....
I was saying "I'm dying" a lot and my chest was just really dried up and I was wheezing and stuff and my throat was blocked up (probably dehydrated mainly) and my body just felt so dead .... I couldn't get my energy flowing right at all..... and I could not FOCUS.
That's the thing that got to me the most... I could focus on LSA a bit of herb so very well.... but even though marijuana was taking me to the outer realms of consciousness and still synergising a bit with the LSA dose.... it was like I was looking at a puzzle that I was not allowed to touch no matter what.... I could absolutely 100% not carry on any focused intent or willpower and it was like just....
really delusional maybe.
I'm not sure what purpose marijuana serves for introspection and self-improvement.... and I wonder if it even does serve one? I'm probably not fucking my health up as bad as long as I vaporise but I can still feel dramatic respiratory declines..... even though it's a lot easier to cough the stuff up 2-3 days later whereas it doesn't seem to come back up if you smoke.
But I don't know. I've been thinking too much about Tool... but this reminds me of marijuana venemous voice tempts me drains me leaves me cracked and empty drags me down like some sweet gravity the snake behind me hisses what my damage could have been my blood before me begs me, open up my heart again.
and the thing is.... it's the heart chakra that seems the most eroded by marijuana use.
I just am not sure if this is a drug worth doing...... and
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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dblaney
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: leery11]
#5262140 - 02/04/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sounds like you should take a break from smoking/vaping perhaps?
Moderation = key
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: leery11]
#5262292 - 02/04/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Depends on what you mean as "useful." It is useful for just kicking back and having a good time, maybe curing a stomach ache. As far as profound experiences, I have epiphanies while on it sometimes but usually pay little mind to them because I sober up and realize it was paranoia. It kinda makes my mind race or wander too much for meditation either.
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Trippy_Search
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: CUBErt]
#5262300 - 02/04/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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then dont do it if u dont want to
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Gliders
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: leery11]
#5262306 - 02/04/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've had some of the same thoughts/ feelings/ experiences you've had regarding this, and I thought maybe it was just me.
My last 'dance with Mary" I ate it and tripped way to hard. I started to see MJ space as being polluted by all the non-respectful people who have visited it. I also saw it as being a gateway, but people began to loiter there, rather than move through the doorway. I don't know if this makes sense or not... but it's as if a lack of respect degraded the teacher within the plant to the point that it makes it very difficult to access.
I must also say that I literally grew up with MJ, as my parents were users. I wondered if this colored my picture of it somewhat.
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: Gliders]
#5262346 - 02/04/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I also saw it as being a gateway, but people began to loiter there, rather than move through the doorway.
That's poetry dude...
The fact that it's spot on correct just makes it perfect too.
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: WillieTomg]
#5262654 - 02/04/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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don't smoke if it doesnt make you feel good
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duggan18
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: Trippy_Search]
#5263162 - 02/04/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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its useful if you wanna have a good time.
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b1tH
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: duggan18]
#5263181 - 02/04/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think that it has potential, but much too often I see it being abused. I think that that in particular has really left me sick of it. I don't smoke alot, I prefer to trip. And honestly, it makes me feel so burnt out that it doesn't seem worth it afterwards. That's totally my opinion though, enjoy it if you do enjoy it.
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: leery11]
#5263217 - 02/04/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I kind of know what you're saying. I've tried meditating while high but my body is buzzing so much that I can't even tell if I'm stimulating my chakras or anything. My mind is usually out there too; makes it hard to focus.
I've begun wondering the exact same thing, though. I've come to the conclusion that it can be useful(in spiritual matters), but most often it isn't.
IMO people should focus on natural character/soul development rather than drug induced, e.g. aid
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b1tH said: And honestly, it makes me feel so burnt out that it doesn't seem worth it afterwards.
I agree. I've thought to myself several times that there is no way I could ever be a daily smoker; I would have to try to do that.
Edited by fazdazzle (02/04/06 04:23 PM)
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: leery11]
#5263330 - 02/04/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I find marijuana has an extremely different effect than shrooms or LSA for self exploration/improvement. I do find it has a use however.
I can relate to the way you described feeling when you were using THC in conjunction with LSA. I (somewhat recently) took my first serious dose of LSA (first visuals I've had) and I smoked marijuana: a) in small quantities as the LSA came on. b) in larger quantities after the trip began declining.
During the trip I watched Waking life and I <3 Huckabees (fairly exploratory, creative movies) and just chilled inside, had sex with my girl.
For some reason my mindspace on this trip was particularly tangible, the drug LSA became very closely associated with an image of unveiling, or unfiltering thought and reality. Marijuana gave the distinct impression of creating a haze in reality, blurring tangible and intangible details together somewhat.
The power LSA had to inspire my thoughts and allow me to captivate them in memories was astounding, however I found respect for the perspective brought on by the marijuana as well... it seemed I learned lessons from both substances, however the lessons learned from the marijuana were far more subtle and less easily understood.
The idea/image of evolution as a dynamic united entity spontaneously appeared in my mind and became quite prevalent throughout the trip. It was visually associated with an omnicolourfull spout of substance reaching upward but curling in every direction wildly. The impression of THC with respect to this image was the illumination of a particular specific section of the entity- as if a part of life was existing as slightly more than it was. The impression of LSA however, was the fact that I could observe this entity at all.
Following my experience my mental state remained extremely exploratory and questioning of reality. Smoking marijuana immediately following my trip and in the days afterwards seemed to ease my mind back into the fact that I could not expect to question every part of reality, and that this was OK.
In general, I find I do not give marijuana enough respect, although I love her and know I can learn from her when I let myself.
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: fazdazzle]
#5266831 - 02/05/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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fazdazzle said:
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b1tH said: And honestly, it makes me feel so burnt out that it doesn't seem worth it afterwards.
I agree. I've thought to myself several times that there is no way I could ever be a daily smoker; I would have to try to do that.
Its useful to me as a sleep aid. Im a daily smoker because no matter what at night before I go to bed I smoke weed because the burnout helps me get to sleep. Otherwise i'd be lying in bed for hours.
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ReposadoXochipilli
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: ShroomyTunes]
#5267835 - 02/05/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i find that smoking after semi long breaks is very useful to get my mind to accept new situations and acquire new perspectives, but it just depends on what you get out of it. i used to smoke to get blazed out, now i like to smoke once in a long while and really assess my situation... i still enjoy it but it is different then getting blazed.
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Good point LUKE. Marijuana is just another way for many people, to get drunk. Im not about to say that I have not done the same. The cognative effects are strong though(if you know what I mean). If you use it after a week long break it can trip you out and it makes it obvious why some people consider it to be a very interesting and valuable hallucinogen, and It gets you baked as hell physically. What more could one ask for in such a unique Drug. It is certainly a useful drug.
Edited by stemmer (02/05/06 11:43 PM)
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: stemmer]
#5268667 - 02/06/06 07:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think it's as useful as you allow it to be. To me, marijuana enhances thought. It gives me a sense of connectedness, but this sense is more of a glimpse of something that is available sober. MJ also makes it easy for me to place myself in a different perspective (helps with analysis and philosophy). The trick is getting there without MJ, which is hard, but achievable.
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
#5268671 - 02/06/06 07:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also, you have to ask yourself why you may be questioning MJ? Do you feel guilty with how much you smoke? Has it effected your life either physically or socially? Take some time off, clear your head, and come back to MJ open minded- as it's sure to have a different affect on you after some time apart.
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
#5269019 - 02/06/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Some of the best decisions I've made I've thought of while stonned, other than that though it's a love-hate relationship with weed for me. There's times I'll be high and absolutely loving the experience, just a nice little break at the end of the day, other times I'll feel really sketchy and cracked out. The word "addiction" does float around in my head when I think about my pot use, and while pot may not be addictive in the same sense as tobacco is, I don't doubt the fact that it is addictive in one way or another. I'll stop when I know I wont be tempted with another opportunity to do it constantly, until then just gotta try to keep it all in moderation
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DarkFluFFy
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: StickyWater]
#5269040 - 02/06/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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mj is only useful if you want to get high, or develope lung cancer
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jaycecp
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
#5269056 - 02/06/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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you should try only eating marijuana. i don't smoke it anymore, yet i never did that much. when i smoke it, i just catch myself thinking of some dumb shit and lying to myself about all of my problems. so as far as a self-help tool, i personally think its very non-helpful.
if you eat it, everything is just better. when im faded from eating marijuana - i can go anywhere and be in control. nothing can bother me... and as far as self-help I have found it very beneficial. and it doesnt have any addicting qualities (mentally self-developed) like smoking it.
if your into meditating, eating is pretty awesome.
i personally enjoy going out and getting into a very energized scene where you have to shut your useless thoughts down inorder to pay attention to everything cuz they go hand-in-hand.
i enjoy trying to live correctly when im faded from eating weed... i have found that you can create new and better habits that stay with you for days after the experience.
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: DarkFluFFy]
#5269080 - 02/06/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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DarkFluFFy said: mj is only useful if you want to get high, or develope lung cancer
There has never been one case of lung cancer directly linked to marijuana smoking...just some food for thought 
I find it to be very useful. It helps me out when im sick, or having a stomacheache, ect.. and it is a great sleep-aid. You can always cook it if you don't prefer smoking it!
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: AKSE]
#5269132 - 02/06/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've considered switching to cooking it except well, I've never had much luck cooking anything, and it's just not very cost effective, and I don't see myself only using it a couple times each month (which would be the case if I were to consume it, given my financial situation)
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: StickyWater]
#5269549 - 02/06/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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MJ is useful in a few specific areas for me:
video games: I get hella good when I'm baked.
tripping: I like intensity, MJ normally brings it if there isn't enough.
post-trip reflection: The day after a trip, I smoke to reflect because the high is more cerebral and psychedelic.
Programming: slows me down but makes me more careful resulting in an enormous decrease in the amount of debugging needed. less debugging=definately more productive.
Oh yeah, and just getting straight up high is fun too sometimes.
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: Kaleidoscope]
#5269644 - 02/06/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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im not positive (i get hooked up when i want bud) but i think you can use the leaves for cooking - and from what i hear its cheaper to cook if you do it correctly. the only problem is that it takes time and effort.
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leery11
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: jaycecp]
#5269777 - 02/06/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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jaycecp said: you should try only eating marijuana.
yeah i really want to but i don't grow and don't get good enough weed and prices (i get ripped off pretty much) to really make eating that worthwhile.
I agree with what you say about eating though, just even a real subtle oral dose can make an entire day extremely interesting.
anyway to those that say "stop smoking" it's complicated, MJ has shown me so much in my life, but I'm not sure if it's showing me good things from a good perspective.
Do I really need all the knowledge about television and how manipulative it is? It tends to make me disgruntled... but maybe I'm supposed to feel that way, maybe it's helping me break free and I'm just in a rut right now trying to start up a better life.
It's a very ambivalent thing..... I guess I just need to moderate a hell of a lot more than I have been doing. Part of the problem is when I got stoned after a break I found myself declaring that I am a Buddhist, but I knew that the sober me would disagree with this, and I kind of do.... so the weed taught me to be peaceful I'd need to become a Buddhist.... but it's like at the same time ..... it's really hard to integrate once you come down.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (02/07/06 02:02 PM)
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: leery11]
#5273481 - 02/07/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i dont like all of those thoughts. how people should just chill out, whats wrong with society, blah blah. i used to get all of that shit too from smoking bud. i think its fine to think about all the stuff thats wrong in the world and all but smoking makes you cling to your ideas so much. youll end up thinking about the same shit for years. when i switched to eating i just let all the problems that could arise be and not worry about them at all. its 100x more relaxing.
if your into the spiritual stuff (like buddhist stuff)... try some of your ideas after eating. since its a body high it gets both your body + mind. I think its important to get both if your into that type of stuff. Otherwise your thoughts get distorted because it looses touch with its body. id say your mind can only relax so much before it has to wait for the body to join in.
and plus, its non-addicting
(im like a weed eating advocate!!!)
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Re: Is Mary really a useful drug? [Re: jaycecp]
#5273919 - 02/07/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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How come nobody has said anything about him talking to his TV?
You sound like yyou could have some issues man, and weed will definately worsen that shit
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