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The Thread Where I Ask a Thousand Questions. *EDIT* Now With Pictures.
#5260622 - 02/03/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was just wondering why my pins are taking so long to really get growing. Been about 4 days now.
I was just fanning and noticed that the perlite looks a little dry. I pressed my finger into and its absolutely dry. Would this be slowing down my pins?
How would I go about rehydrating this?
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5260689 - 02/03/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anyone?
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5260718 - 02/03/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pour some water maybe mix it with a glug or two of H2O2 and Just use any kind of container that makes it easy to pour around your cakes/casings.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5260947 - 02/03/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would use a syringe to inject water back into the cakes.
But I'm just logically guessing, I'm still a newbie.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: Cutter]
#5261010 - 02/03/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wouldn't syringe it back in. Nice thought though.
Just pour the water/peroxide mix back in and slush around. You must have had a thin layer of perlite to make it that dry so fast. Next time, try making your perlite layer thicker.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: Cutter]
#5261015 - 02/03/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, its not the cakes that are dry...I don't think. Its been just about 2 weeks since I dunked them.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5261071 - 02/03/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just pour the water/peroxide mix back in and slush around. You must have had a thin layer of perlite to make it that dry so fast. Next time, try making your perlite layer thicker.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5261073 - 02/03/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well thats a good sign then. Just up your humidity in your chamber and you should be good then!
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: djsage420]
#5261085 - 02/03/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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4 days for pins is a very very short time, mine pin after about 7-9 days, I have waited as long as 2 weeks though.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5261089 - 02/03/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is that the cause of my slow pin growth? I've been looking at old grow logs and noticed that most pins are really fat when they grow. Mine just seem to be really skinny. Kinda worrying me...
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: djsage420]
#5261092 - 02/03/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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djsage420 said: 4 days for pins is a very very short time, mine pin after about 7-9 days, I have waited as long as 2 weeks though.
Well, I mean they are on their 4th day of pin growth and they still seem pretty small. It took them 9 days to actually start pinning.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: djsage420]
#5261102 - 02/03/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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It depends, I have strains that are thinner such as cambodian and p.e.s.h, south american are a medium thickness, and my orissa india's are some fatties!!!
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5261109 - 02/03/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea strain is a big factor. The biggest factor though is fresh air exchange. Are you fanning enough? If not, you better start!
Simply keep your humidity up and make sure they have enough fresh air. You will get plenty of pins then.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: djsage420]
#5261111 - 02/03/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright. Cause I've got Golden Teachers going right now. They just seem to sprout up really skinny. I didn't know if that was due to lack of humidity or not.
Next time I'm doing H. Poo.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5261113 - 02/03/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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tokey666 said: Yea strain is a big factor. The biggest factor though is fresh air exchange. Are you fanning enough? If not, you better start!
Simply keep your humidity up and make sure they have enough fresh air. You will get plenty of pins then.
I fan about 6 times a day.
How long does it usually take for pins to mature?
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5261128 - 02/03/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Honestly if you cant get cakes to work, poo is going to be MUCH harder.
So...you have fanned enough.
It takes about 5 days to go from your pins to full blown shrooms, so keep doing what you are doing and you should have shrooms if you have pins.
Make sure your temps are staying in acceptable range as well and they do not fluxuate considerably.
Seriously.....be patient......shhhhhhh..... Everything will be cool as long as you follow directions.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5261146 - 02/03/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am. Temps are at about 72-75 degrees. I just dumped a little water from the water bottle I used to mist with on the dry perlite. I also noticed a hell of a lot more pins starting to form.
Thanks, tokey. I'd give you +5 again, if I could. 
I guess GT pins take a longer to form and mature...
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5261161 - 02/03/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think poo is that much harder. Pre-pasteurized poo is available from tennstud. That's about 90% or the work right there. He has got cakes to fully colonize the only thing extra he has to do is crumble them and mix them with the poo.. simple. It actually makes the job far easier in my opinion. The mushrooms WANT to grow on the shit.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: musher_420]
#5261167 - 02/03/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I live surrounded by ranches. I have an abundant source of poo. YAY!
I've been reading those teks like a madman. They do seem pretty damn easy. I just need to make a better FC.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5261169 - 02/03/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yep yep. That may be.
Lemme ask ya something. Do you have the cakes directly on the perlite?
Because if you can, dump some more perlite in and then some more water/peroxide mix. You want that perlite COMPLETELY saturated without any standing water.
When I first prepare my perlite, I put it in a mixing bowl and then soak in warm water for 10 minutes. I then scoop one handful at a time into the bottom of my container after giving each a little squeeze.
Might help ya for next time.
But anyway, another thing I forgot to say, try not to babysit them TOO much. I read somewhere that rapid evaporation from the cakes is not good either.
Anyway, give it time. I have confidence in ya.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5261181 - 02/03/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nah, not directly on the perlite. Just on the lids to my 1 pint jars.
I'm thinking about filling a small bowl full of perlite and placing it in the chamber.
But, I already did soak the dry perlite (somewhat). But, that would probably help it.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5261195 - 02/03/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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License_to_Chill said: I live surrounded by ranches. I have an abundant source of poo. YAY!
I've been reading those teks like a madman. They do seem pretty damn easy. I just need to make a better FC.
Exactly, You've got the idea now. You can fruit poo like a cake if you want. Just mix your spawn into a small container. You can use the same FC you've got right now. However automation makes your job easier.
When you do start poo.. I suggest the oven bag tek.. really easy and clean.
In fact if your looking for some reading material everything here is very useful information. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5078282/an/0/page/0
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: musher_420]
#5261200 - 02/03/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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By placing another bowl in there you will just be taking up more of the surface area of the perlite that's in there.
You want an even layer accrost the bottom (2 inches works) and just wet not standing water...like tokey said.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: musher_420]
#5261211 - 02/03/06 11:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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perlite doesnt need much water to put off 95%+ RH. I had perlite that had a humdity reading of 33%, i sprayed down the perlite with my mister, sprayed the sides of the container, and put ONE 12 qt poo casing in there. Its been at 95 ever since .
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: coda]
#5261213 - 02/03/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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but if you do want to redunk your perlite simply empty it into a container, let it sit for a few minutes, then strain it til it doesnt drip anymore and replace it in the FC.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: musher_420]
#5261219 - 02/03/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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you also want to fill the pearlite with waiter until its just under the surface of pearlite layer, you need some water in there a good amount of water in there.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: djsage420]
#5261227 - 02/03/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you guys. 
I'll probably go rehydrate my perlite with a good soak right now.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5261246 - 02/03/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well you don't want to have any standing water, even if it is under the perlite. It can cause mosquitos which have west nile. 
But nah, standing water is good for harboring contams, even if there is peroxide in it.
Glad this thread got bumpin! I thought I was gunna alone.
And musher, nice link. THanks!
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: djsage420]
#5261249 - 02/03/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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djsage420 said: you also want to fill the pearlite with waiter until its just under the surface of pearlite layer, you need some water in there a good amount of water in there.
Perlite is like swiss cheese. All the little holes in it make for a larger surface area. This allows it to evaporate the water into the air creating a high humidity environment. The perlite is useless if it's underwater.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: musher_420]
#5261278 - 02/03/06 11:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm going to wait til tomorrow to do it. I've put my little guys through enough stress right now. Besides, I don't want too much humidity in there.
So, I'm going to see how well they do tonight. And if seems like the humidity is going down...then, I'll resoak my perlite.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5262515 - 02/04/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good rule of thumb that will keep you out of trouble is 2" perlite 1" water/h2o2. You should always have water/h2o2 in your perlite! At least if you know what your doing that is, also don't listen to peeps that say just dampen your perlite they have no clue how to create the perfect microclimate for our little friends. Also read my pinning strategy it may shed some light on what you are actually doing. GL my friend
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: djsage420]
#5262523 - 02/04/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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djsage420 said: you also want to fill the pearlite with waiter until its just under the surface of pearlite layer, you need some water in there a good amount of water in there.
Ah no you don't. You want water at half the depth of the perlite or so. That much water and you'll lose alot of that precious surface area (under the surface) Get it?
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: hyphae]
#5262531 - 02/04/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh yea, I know all the facts about that stuff. I've been researching for well over a year now.
Thanks for all the help, everyone.
I just misted everything and they seem to be doing just fine.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5262569 - 02/04/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damnit man, quit being lazy and resoak that perlite! LMAO!
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5262611 - 02/04/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm just afraid if I take the cakes out, that there will be some sort of contam, lol.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5262621 - 02/04/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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haha, yea i know what you mean.
Believe it or not, cakes are highly resident to contams. Even so, you can play it safe. If its working, then keep at it.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5262701 - 02/04/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright, well I just resoaked my perlite and placed everything back in.
I hope everything turns out alright. I know it will, just a little nervous.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5262730 - 02/04/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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License_to_Chill said: Oh yea, I know all the facts about that stuff. I've been researching for well over a year now.
Thanks for all the help, everyone.
I just misted everything and they seem to be doing just fine.
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License_to_Chill said: I was just wondering why my pins are taking so long to really get growing. Been about 4 days now.
I was just fanning and noticed that the perlite looks a little dry. I pressed my finger into and its absolutely dry. Would this be slowing down my pins?
How would I go about rehydrating this?
Well over a year? Well then you'd know right?
A word on standing water/h2o2. It shouldn't be a problem at all if you keep things relatively clean and add h2o2 every once and awhile during the grow then after the grow resterilize the perlite for the next grow. Adding water/h2o2 will solve your problem simply enough. Again GL and keep your mind open you still have much to learn.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: hyphae]
#5262772 - 02/04/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks. 
Well, I just meant facts about humidity in general. Sorry, didn't mean to come off as a smart-ass.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5262789 - 02/04/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Me either much respects bro.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: hyphae]
#5262796 - 02/04/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5265664 - 02/05/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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So is it ok to use perlite for the cakes, or just as the dry topping?
I heard you were only supposed to use vermiculite.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: Cutter]
#5265718 - 02/05/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cutter said: So is it ok to use perlite for the cakes, or just as the dry topping?
I heard you were only supposed to use vermiculite.
Perlite is for humidification only on the bottom of your fruiting chamber.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: hyphae]
#5265791 - 02/05/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea, I just rolled mine in Verm. Kept the perlite on the bottom.
Since I did re-soak my perlite, they've begun to bloom in growth.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5265827 - 02/05/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sweeeeeeeeet. Keep us updated.
Lemme ask you, have they gotten white and fluffy yet like a wet cotton ball?
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5265839 - 02/05/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you asking about the pins?
Cause on one cake, its a full-blown shroom. But, at the base of the baby shrooms, there all white and fluffy.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5266236 - 02/05/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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All healthy cakes really fluff up after few days in your fruiting chamber. They do this because of the high humidity and the intent to pin.
Since you already have pins though, it would seem they have bypassed that stage.
No matter, keep it up! I dont guess you have a camera.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5266327 - 02/05/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have camera, but its shit quality.
I'll got take some now.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5266458 - 02/05/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5266578 - 02/05/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lookin good! I think you would have had more pins actually if you would have had that high humidity constantly.
And I think I read somewhere that low humidity causes the skinny ones and high humidity causes "fat asses." Someone else can chime in on that, I could be wrong.
But no matter, thanks for the pics! You are doing well for your first time.
Good luck!
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5266593 - 02/05/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Low nutrients in the cake could contribute to there small size as well. Some BRF is better then others. The fresher the better.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: musher_420]
#5266674 - 02/05/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats why I want to try poo or straw next time. I have unlimited supply, so it should be easy...even if I do screw up.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5266900 - 02/05/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, the veil from one of the bigger ones has torn apart.
Should I just wait to harvest that with the others?
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5267248 - 02/05/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can wait.
I usually wait until I can harvest all at once, then go straight to dunking. And that means that some veils aren't broken and some caps are starting to turn up.
P.S. Nice topic name change.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5267530 - 02/05/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice, since I don't know how much I'll be getting from this one I'm going to wait til my second flush before I trip. That way I can have enough for a good trip.
But, who knows. These new pins could turn out to be a lot bigger than what I'm getting. Either way, I'm just glad I actually grew my own mushrooms. So, this has been a great learning experience.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5271544 - 02/06/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If I were to pick that one...would it be a high risk for contams?
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5272353 - 02/07/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
tokey666 said: Lookin good! I think you would have had more pins actually if you would have had that high humidity constantly.
And I think I read somewhere that low humidity causes the skinny ones and high humidity causes "fat asses." Someone else can chime in on that, I could be wrong.
But no matter, thanks for the pics! You are doing well for your first time.
Good luck!
Fatasses are strain/substrain related nothing to do with RH. Skinny stems with undersized caps are a sure sign that CO2 concentrations are too high (more fanning needed).
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: hyphae]
#5274211 - 02/07/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know you can mist casing, but I was wondering if the same was true with cakes. I doubt it, due to the high risk of contams and aborts...but, just wanting to know for curiosity's sake.
I'm just going to post all of my questions here instead of littering the board with hundreds of little questions.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5274290 - 02/07/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You don't mist cakes directly. You just mist the perlite or walls around them.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5274391 - 02/07/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know, that's what I've been doing. I was just wondering if the same technique used for casings could be applied to the cakes.
But, nope.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5274599 - 02/07/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
License_to_Chill said: I know you can mist casing, but I was wondering if the same was true with cakes. I doubt it, due to the high risk of contams and aborts...but, just wanting to know for curiosity's sake.
I'm just going to post all of my questions here instead of littering the board with hundreds of little questions.
I ultra fine mist my cakes from a distance with a pump style mister and it works freakin awesome for me just like in nature!
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: hyphae]
#5274625 - 02/07/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I ultra fine mist my cakes from a distance with a pump style mister and it works freakin awesome for me just like in nature!
heh.. it would be funny to be hiking along a trail in the forest and see a naturally formed cake of mycelium just sitting there.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: hyphae]
#5274633 - 02/07/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea, on my next grow I'm definitely picking up a humidifier. I think I rushed this one...
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5274691 - 02/07/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
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I ultra fine mist my cakes from a distance with a pump style mister and it works freakin awesome for me just like in nature!
heh.. it would be funny to be hiking along a trail in the forest and see a naturally formed cake of mycelium just sitting there.
LOL I think you know what I was referring to right? hehe
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: hyphae]
#5274974 - 02/07/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for clearing that up for me hyphae.
And man, I don't think you need a humidifier. You need to get cakes with good pinsets first. THEN you add another variable such as the humidifier. I have grown over 10 sets of cakes/casings with varying success. And have never used a humidifier, simply because I don't feel like I have learned all I can learn from my current setup.
Do a few more rounds of cakes first, which would be my humble opinion. Sorry man. haha
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5275005 - 02/07/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is true tokey. But different teks might work better for different people.
I did THREE PF cakes before moving onto WBS spawned to poo. Never made another cake. I find it easier then PF actually..considering pay off.
So basically what I'm saying is. Just because you had bum luck with cakes doesn't mean you won't master casings first time. Of course having a good understanding in the basics of ANYTHING is always a great start.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: musher_420]
#5275058 - 02/07/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea, actually I was thinking that cakes are more trouble than they're worth.
I mean, I have plenty of H. Poo just laying everywhere outside. I can always just keep doing it and doing it til I get it right.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5275296 - 02/07/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cool cool!
I see what you mean. I found cakes to be much EASIER for some reason. 1) You can ALWAYS max out humidity to you dont have to worry about "controlling it". 2) Once you had the cakes colonized, they are very resistant to conams. 3) Dunking is much easier. 4) Harvesting is also easier.
Either way though. If you want to try your hand at casings, that is awesome. And since you have alot of poopie, then go for it. Even so, I honestly don't think you should introduce a humidifier into the mix yet. Just my opinion.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tokey666]
#5275319 - 02/07/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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True, I guess both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Well, I'll probably try cakes one more time...maybe more. Hell, I might do some cakes and casings at the same time.
I love this hobby. 
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5275349 - 02/07/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hell, I might do some cakes and casings at the same time.
That's the way to think. I'm sure you've still got plenty of BRF left, no use letting it go to waste. I've got plenty of poo and a 40 lb bag of WBS, but I've still got BRF cakes incubating because I have so much BRF leftover from my first grow. Plus 1/2 pint jars work best for cakes, and there's no reason to let them go to waste either.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5277754 - 02/08/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, I Just harvested about 3 of them. They were really mature and dumping spores everywhere. I'd say I have about 2 to 3 more days before some more start becoming mature.
I have them drying into a chamber with a fan on it. No desicants, but the fan should do the job if I leave it on for 24 hours.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5277968 - 02/08/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I use the 1/2 pints I have from pf to make prints in then add water and make syringes right from the jar.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: kanpan]
#5283342 - 02/09/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, one of my big ones seems to be shriveling up on the cap. Probably just going to be an abort. Had a few of those so far, all small though.
Oh well, I still have a few more big ones going and a big abort might be nice, since I know you can still eat them.
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: License_to_Chill]
#5283388 - 02/09/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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still eat them??? from what i gather they are primo!!! just small little brickhouses of funkieness!!!!
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Re: Perlite is Bone-Dry. (Fast Help Requested.) [Re: shroomsynergy]
#5283523 - 02/09/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice.
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