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InvisibleIcelander
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Where's the door?
    #5260420 - 02/03/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:grin:Hey ya'll it's been lots of interesting fun. I have enjoyed each and every minute of it. I have made some beautiful friends here. Everyone here has taught me something about myself. I harbor no hard feelings toward anyone. I wish everyone, mods, admin, and rank and file the very best life has to offer. Take care. :heart:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5260452 - 02/03/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fuck that noise!  I hope that those who have left us recently find that the love and learning that goes on in this forum far outweighs the bureaucratic bullshit.(or at least find a new forum minus the bullshit, in which case hook a brother up with the link)  But sticking to my dharma, I realize making requests for you to stay when your happiness cries for you to be elsewhere would be selfish.

I'm gonna miss ya alot icelander, you've done more for me than I can express.  Much love brother :heart:


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Cherk]
    #5260489 - 02/03/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

you're leaving too? please say it isn't so.

edit: i meant to reply to icelander.


Edited by Deviate (02/03/06 07:44 PM)


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Deviate]
    #5260499 - 02/03/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

And the list grows longer...


What a "community"...


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Invisibledblaney
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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5260549 - 02/03/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Never stop unlearning.

:heart:


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But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5260582 - 02/03/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:tunnel:


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OfflineCeeThruMeer
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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Gomp]
    #5260606 - 02/03/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Gomp said:
:tunnel:


:thumbup:


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: CeeThruMeer]
    #5260687 - 02/03/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's been a pleasure, Iceman. :heart: Like many of us, I will miss your contributions - much of which I've often related to. Perhaps we'll bump into each other 'round the e-galaxy.




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Re: Where's the door? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5260762 - 02/03/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Take care, Brother.

You will be missed... :heart:


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InvisibleMushmanTheManic
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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5261028 - 02/03/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Sad to see ya go!
I'll miss seeing don Juan Matus quotes in this forum.  :frown: :heart:


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5261616 - 02/04/06 03:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Everyone's leaving as I just managed to set some solid ground in this community.

Take care brother, you will be missed.


May the wind always be at your back, and the sun upon your face.
And may the wings of destiny to carry you along to dance with the stars.


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Sclorch]
    #5261628 - 02/04/06 04:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Sclorch said:
And the list grows longer...


What a "community"...




You know...there's more forums than this one. Its still a "community", just minus 3-4.

This site is here for you to explore and enjoy, just try not to abuse it.


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5261696 - 02/04/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

adios amigo! been a pleasure, come back sometimes!


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5261739 - 02/04/06 06:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"The hardest thing in the world is to assume the mood of a warrior. It is of no use to be sad and complain and feel justified in doing so, believing that someone is always doing something to us. Nobody is doing anything to anybody, much less to a warrior. "

Wimp :P

Later, man. You and Veritas were pretty interesting.


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Invisiblegettinjiggywithit
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Re: Where's the door? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #5262213 - 02/04/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

I_was_the_walrus said:
Quote:

Sclorch said:
And the list grows longer...


What a "community"...




You know...there's more forums than this one. Its still a "community", just minus 3-4.

This site is here for you to explore and enjoy, just try not to abuse it.




Tis true! Many leave weekly for many reasons and never make a good bye post so we never realize how many leave regularly. This is no exception to the norm. Just last night I was wondering why a lot of people I enjoyed here left like
the Phoenix
Northernsoul
Cosm
Zekebomb
Lovelight
nubious
Strumpling
Jellric
EuphoricBlue
Alan Stone
Dmtrypr
Kaiowas
Whiterussian
Magnum
Skystone/Woodspecter
Psychoactive1984

and so many others. That's how it goes. People come and go. As they go they do come too. I read yesterday that 1000 people register here every month.

Oh well, Ice wanted to say good bye and wish us well and I wish you well too Ice!  :thumbup: :sun: :mushroom2: :heart:


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5262253 - 02/04/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

like smoking.. you stop every time..
you begin every time..


the door, will find him! :P


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Invisibledorkus
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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5263069 - 02/04/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This energetic wave now loses massive momentum.

Stay chilled, Shaman.


:heart: :japsmile:


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5264002 - 02/04/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

changes...

Why must they all be so absolute about it, I wonder. We could stumble over ourselves again, I think.
Nevertheless, all the best to you.

Wish us luck here, too !

Perhaps the weak will leave, when they were needed the most...


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5264023 - 02/04/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:frown:


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5264224 - 02/04/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

don't know where you're goin..? but if you're really leavin then take care Icelander, your words have always been uplifting

peace


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Grav]
    #5264259 - 02/04/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Your post
contains
errors.

Please
hrumbumb, bumb
and re-submit.

Submit. Re-sub-miss_ion is a strange thing, Icelander.


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5266882 - 02/05/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well you know i love you man.

This forum is losing its vital organs.

but then again, every two hours an elephant dies.

Lets try and keep things in perspective, thats all.

:heart:

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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5267159 - 02/05/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So who else left?

my internet got cut off since last week....


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5267177 - 02/05/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

See Cervantes' journal: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/117267

Swami, Veritas, Iceman, Fireworks, Mushmonkey, possibly Hue and Diploid. Lost gems of P&S.



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The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5267603 - 02/05/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Isn't every one here a shining gem if not a diamond in the rough?

I made a comment in a thread that got deleted saying I though Ver and Ice cared more about swami then the community at large. Nothing wrong with that if they choose to, it's their life and freedom to do so. It was just an observation made to get peoples personal intentions for being here clear. He called me a Liar. Their leaving their care of all of us and this community in favor of swami proved my observation right.

Fine if they do, their life their choice. If people are serving ONE members agenda over the common agenda of this community you can then see how easily divisions amongst us as a community of shroomerites are created here.

When you come here, do you come here, because you care about this place and all of its members or just ONE or a FEW out of tens of thousands at the expense of this place and its members?

If anyone does, it's their choice and freedom to do so. No one member makes or breaks the shroomery community at large. One member can make groups within it though which can break off from the community like what just happened.

Remember, lots of gems and diamonds in the rough have left here because of the hostile environment and MRP is not the solution unfortunately because there is still a lot of negative opposition, senseless arguing, criticizing and mocking going on in there, because its entertainment for people or a place to vent or feel superior on and over easy targets.

How come no one cares about the sensitive types of people who are uncomfortable in hostile environments not feeling welcome in ANY forum here at the shroomery? Don't they have something to contribute and a right to feel welcome here?

People wonder why there are few females here at the shroomery. Females tend to be more sensitive, soft and caring and will find this place very hostile, too testosterone filled, aggressive and uncomfortable to be in. Many hetero men who have embraced their sensitive feminine side probably shy away from this place too.

Is the reflection meant to be given off by the shroomery community one that says;

"Shroom use is about beating people silly until they become calloused hard, and drunk punched enough to handle life here." ?

Those of us who were before we got here can handle it and feel comfortable in this over all environment. Sensitives and the feminine side of nature can help show us all that there is another way to be and other types of environments that are kinder and softer which are rather nice to be in, if we would allow them in here in a welcoming way to show us the way out of dense need to dominate masculinity.

Those who have just left over the swami ban have also said in his defence that, swami couldn't make people leave and if so , they were weak with fragile egos, then what does that make them if they all left because of swami?  :confused:

Whatever this is silly.

Moon said , lets keep this in perspective. An elephant dies every two days. A new baby is born every minute as well. Life carries on and we make the best of what we have to work with and right now. What we have to make the best of this site with is who is still an active member here and the new ones to come.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5267606 - 02/05/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:beatadeadhorse:


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5267717 - 02/05/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Isn't every one here a shining gem if not a diamond in the rough?

No. I enjoy(ed) reading Diploid's and Ravus's (Ravus is still here? Right!?) posts way more than other posters here. Maybe its just because they shared a system of thought which I agreed with almost entirely and explained it in ways much more elegant than I ever could. Anyway, all these people will be missed... and some more than others.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5267791 - 02/05/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

gettinjiggywithit said:
Isn't every one here a shining gem if not a diamond in the rough?

I made a comment in a thread that got deleted saying I though Ver and Ice cared more about swami then the community at large. Nothing wrong with that if they choose to, it's their life and freedom to do so. It was just an observation made to get peoples personal intentions for being here clear. He called me a Liar. Their leaving their care of all of us and this community in favor of swami proved my observation right.





  Icelander and Veritas were here because their personal paths have directed them to helping others with the wisdom they've gained through life, not for swami :crazy:  This was seen in almost all of their posts, and even said outright in a few threads.  Both of them have also mentioned how through their time posting here they've become close friends with Swami IRL.  This changes everything.  Their decision was not a black and white issue of "shroomery or swami" like you're trying to make it out to be.  Expecting someone to choose staying here in order to "serve" the rest of us when their paths are leading them elsewhere is an absurd thing to ask of anyone.  What happened, happened, and no matter what we'll never know all of the details because we are not Icelander or Veritas

Perhaps they value their friendshiup with swami more than their committment to this community.  Or maybe they value standing by their principles more than their committment to this community.  Once again, we'll never know because we are not icelander or veritas.





Quote:

gettinjiggywithit said:
Those who have just left over the swami ban have also said in his defence that, swami couldn't make people leave and if so , they were weak with fragile egos, then what does that make them if they all left because of swami?  :confused:





They were saying that Swami's "personal attacks" couldn't make people leave.  This is true, no one can force you to do anything.  They were not saying that their own friendship with Swami is something that couldn't cause them to eventually leave.  You have a great talent of making everything appear to be a black and white issue. 

I also disagree with your statement that there are few females here because of the hostile environment.  There are few females here because this is the internet.  The m/f ratio of any internet message board not strictly dealing with women's issues is going to be far from even.

The bottom line is people here are just like people everywhere else.  I wish just as much as you that our society would be one that embraces the beauty in every individual, but that ain't being realistic, at least not where we're at now.  Sensitive people need to thicken their skin unless they don't mind feeling like shit everyday.  Society sucks, get used to it.(believe me, I have a lot of "getting used to it" to do myself :tongue: )

I think you're a great poster and I love reading your insights, but I think you have a tendency to forgo logic when it comes to emotional/people issues.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Cherk]
    #5267839 - 02/05/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Relax... jiggy is just in Mod training. As soon as she transmutates completely, she'll get the greenlight.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Sclorch]
    #5267857 - 02/05/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I've got nothing against jiggy, my post has a little bit of an angry undertone due to some other issues, unrelated to the shroomery, that I've been dealing with tonight.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Cherk]
    #5267990 - 02/05/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Smoker For Peace said:
I've got nothing against jiggy, my post has a little bit of an angry undertone due to some other issues, unrelated to the shroomery, that I've been dealing with tonight.



New thread topic?

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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Sclorch]
    #5268033 - 02/05/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wrong. Jiggy was offered a mod position and turned it down.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Cherk]
    #5268047 - 02/05/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, they were serving the community along their paths until they met swami here and choose to leave with him as a part of their new path. That's what I said. Thats fine and understandable too. Ice called me a liar for making that simple observation before they both proved it true.

Let me call you a liar, and then prove myself wrong for saying that in my actions,  without an apology to you from me and see how you like it.

Judge me if you can't understand that. I forgive everyone, even him for saying it.  Just because I said they served him MORE doesn't mean they didn't care about or serve this place while they were here. They did moocho mucho lotso.  :laugh: Maybe in time, things will look different and they will come back. They did serve many here including me and I thank them for that.  :heart:

On the other note you addressed,

My child hood toughened and hardened me up. I've been posting almost daily here for a year and half. I'm comfortable in this environment obviously.  :wink: Its not about me. It's about me realizing the importance of balancing the masculine with the feminine. The masculine needs the feminine side to temper itself from self destruction.


I want more of those types here to learn from them and I don't like seeing them being a chased away.

I don't go for this, "Life is tough you have to learn to deal with it" mentality. If you believe that, you will live a tough life. When people, be it friends, bosses, teachers, family members whatever, get hostile and mean to me, I don't have to put up with crap from anyone. I am free to leave any environment I choose too. If someone punches me, I don't stand there and take it. I either punch back if I am feeling feisty, then leave or I just leave.

So, if your sister is in an abusive relationship, do tell her to learn to deal with being abused and to toughen up and take it? Hell no! You tell her to find a guy who will respect her, care for her well being and who will be kind and gentle and considerate towards her.

If we make it acceptable for people to be mean and abusive to us, then where is the incentive for people to stop being mean and abusive?

I find it funny that you say, I may at times seem emotional (I'll call it passionate about things I feel strongly about) when I should be "logical". :lol: Thats what I am talking about. The feminine side tends to be more passionate from a feeling base and some men can't stand it and prefer cold hard logic. Most of the males here prefer it and thats why ,most women don't who don't feel welcome or comfortable here, feel welcomed or comfortable here.

Haven't you noticed that the majority of the female members here post in just the PUB most of the time? The rest of the forums read like a guys locker room or a mens club.

How many women are more comfortable hanging with a group of guys then a group of gals and prefer it? We are few to begin with. I was just pointing out how the left brain machismo stuff is another unwelcoming factor to almost half of the world population using shrooms that stumbles upon this place.

Shrooms are equally appreciated by women and men alike, yet the feminine aspect is not appreciated or equally respected by the majority of men here. Maybe some do and just don't speak up enough to make it welcome here, because they fear being cracked on the ass and mocked with a wet towel in the boys locker room.

If anyone wants to talk about a bias driving members away or keeping them from feeling welcome, its the masculine dominated bias that rules here. Maybe, thats changing as the admins and mods are making moves to make more feel welcome here.

Oh well, thats just my observation opinion.

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Re: Where's the door? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5268577 - 02/06/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hi... here's a different perspective:

I'm not the type of person to make a big deal out of this kind of bullshit. I don't like feeding drama. I try to avoid it. (Perhaps I'm making an exception with this ultra-rare post.)

That being said, I'd like to point out that I stopped posting in here when the logic-crew took over, and so did several others that I considered respectable members of our community, but who's absence was barely noticed by the majority. (Because they stepped out peacefully without screaming a facetious declaration of oppression...)

I have nothing against logical consistency. Infact, I believe logic and spirituality can work hand in hand with the right degree of flexibility of communication in the middle.

No, on the contrary, I simply felt the forum had lost the inviting atmosphere that lured me in in the first place. No warmth. Encouragement of development of ideas was dropped in favor of encouragement of tearing down ideas.

I'm sorry, but that's all it takes to send me packing.

I am more sorry to see so many pulled into the negative mindset of tearing down instead of building up than I am to see these members leave.

I truly hope they re-evaluate and decide to return with a more positive attitude to contribute...

But in the mean time, I can't help wanting to remind the members of this forum that SOME posters (mods or not) were also discouraged from posting here due to the presence of that mindset.

I never complained that I was wronged in a whiney exit thread, and I won't start now... I just want to act as a physical reminder that things go both ways, and people get shafted at all turns in life. If you aren't used to this by now, perhaps you're not living in reality.

That being said, I suppose it is up to those of you who remember my old presence in S&P to determine whether or not I should be considered someone worth having around, eh?  :tongue:

It's so much easier to notice an egotistical exit, because it reeks of drama. The real diamonds in the rough already slipped out unnoticed, when the smell of shit first hit their nostrils.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Shroomism]
    #5268834 - 02/06/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Wrong. Jiggy was offered a mod position...



My point exactly.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Sclorch]
    #5269229 - 02/06/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

And so what is your point sclorch?  Maybe I appear that way to you because I do care to serve the greater good of this place in my own way. I do have experience "modding" a multi million dollar business, a Home and family and even started up my own message board years back.

I appreciate what it takes for the staff to have developed and maintain this place and to grow it into something this great. If you resent my appreciation of them then, so be it.

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Re: Where's the door? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5269282 - 02/06/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:sad:

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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5269323 - 02/06/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Look, jiggy, I like you... you're a good poster. You contribute a lot here and I can't remember you ever attacking me personally. That said...


Your acceptance of esoteric views is like every mod we've EVER had in this forum. The only exception ever was "Plato" - he started out normal, but flipped out and left...

Anyways, this is why there has never been a good balance in here... we've only had one side represented. And it's not that the rational crowd needs representation "to feel loved" or whatever... it would put someone of the same perspective "on the inside" - you know, allow for a staff-only discussion on a level playing field. Half the time, people aren't picking up on the light-hearted nuances within a critical post... so they get upset (in spite of the disclaimer in this forum's rules) and then the mods have to get involved (as if this is something they like doing).


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5269352 - 02/06/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That is why I so much dislike the drama, too. It destroys the mood. Ones were banned, the others will leave, most are hurt and it does take some time to rebuilt some good mood. Only then, we all can return back to creativity and constructive thinking.

Their choice will be respected, but I also respect the choice of small children. They all have to learn... to get to maturity.
If they need a break, they will get it, but I hope and believe, they somedays will return...


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Sclorch]
    #5269635 - 02/06/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I appreciate your words sclorch. For sure, we have no control over who comes here in a serious mood, in defence mode, in attack mode, feeling overly sensitive,  or completely devoid of respect or consideration.

And shit happens as a result and mods come in.

How do you get all active readers and posters to get on the same page with the right balance and blend of not being overly serious, yet not taking people like a joke either, of not being overly sensitive, yet not inconsiderate either?

Most of us drawn to this subject matter I think are at least working on establishing a greater center of balance. The thing is, when we see someone off it and wobbling, how many go to help the person get back to their own center of balance versus those who see it as opportunity to take advantage off and knock them over flat on their ass?

Its too easy to push someone over the edge when they are already off balance without a grip on themselves. Then people laugh and find it funny and others find that cruel and get turned off and..............

Some of us appreciate and enjoy some light heart razzing. You have to take the time to learn, who knows how to take it or even enjoys it. If you do it to a serious type noob, they won't appreciate it and they will leave. Even if two or more of us are throwing and loving it, I read a post in the pub that was discussing S&P saying they left here because they didn't like to read through that stuff and wanted more content to learn from.

We do have OTD for that and so, maybe for the sake of the greater good, we can all cool it a bit in here and stay focused on topics everyone can jump in on. Otherwise, it looks like a club of insiders formed here and others feel left out of the discussion.


The nature of this subject topic, spirituality and philosophy is going to draw many serious types of people over all. Some people have it as their major in college and others have devoted huge chunks of their life to spiritual growth and disciplines. People jump in here without an appreciation or respect for either and trample all over huge and significant portions of peoples lives and they leave.

I think its unrealistic to expect everyone here to always come balanced, centered and stabilized. Just because someone is in that state, I don't think its cool if people take advantage of it and push them over the edge. I've seen so many people get warned and banned because they were already wobbly and someone pushed them to hard for fun and the other hauled off on a flaming rampage.

How do we keep people from coming here and posting when they are not centered, balanced, and stable at the time? We can't. All we can do is work to recognize that and not push them to hard or to far otherwise, we become a part of the problem and not the solution.

Is it hard for people to say, "sorry, I was just playing around, no personal offense meant" when they see someone getting worked up? That can go a long way to keeping something from getting to heated up for flames erupt.

We can all work to help each other more instead of work to hurt each other. Thats for sure, and it would make this place cooler to hang out in for everyone.

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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5269703 - 02/06/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Is it hard for people to say, "sorry, I was just playing around, no personal offense meant" when they see someone getting worked up? That can go a long way to keeping something from getting to heated up for flames erupt.

We can all work to help each other more instead of work to hurt each other. Thats for sure, and it would make this place cooler to hang out in for everyone.

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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5269752 - 02/06/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I will miss you also. Hope you and your Lady will return at a later date.
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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
    #5269829 - 02/06/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So long.


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Re: Where's the door? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #5269983 - 02/06/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

let the healing begin...

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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Sclorch]
    #5272334 - 02/07/06 05:17 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Your acceptance of esoteric views is like every mod we've EVER had in this forum.




Please ... what about Phluck ? What about Annom ? If two out of four mods in this forum are on the "rational" side, wouldn't you call that a balanced moderation ?

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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: MAIA]
    #5272402 - 02/07/06 06:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Phluck hardly ever posts in here, and nor do I see Annom jumping in the pool alot. It'd be nice to have actively participating, rational mods. For example, take a look at Phred, in the PA&L. Perfect example. He's one of the most prominent posters in that forum, and is easily one of the most rational, logical and clear-headed folks I've seen on this site. If P&S had a mod like that, then Sclorch [and many others, including myself] would feel that this place would be much more balanced.

Someone who merely has a "mod" title of a forum and just tries to catch up with the current events, skimming over posts to look for any obvious infractions of the ONE rule, is most certainly not on par with a mod who actually participates in the discussion because he or she is passionate about the subjects involved.

The side in question isn't non-existent - it's just a little..weak.  :frown:



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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5272423 - 02/07/06 07:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just came back from a 10day snowboard vacation. I'm a bit sad this happened.

I don't post here a lot, but I'm not here to skim over posts and look for infractions. I did chose to mod P&S because I'm passionate about the subjects involved and I thought I would have more time to participate. I said I was thinking about demodding me from P&S because I could not participate as much as I want, but a few regulars here asked me to stay and said I did some good for the balance.

(I'm not defending myself, just explaining my position. You make a good point)

I think this is/should be a mature forum that can mod itself. There are always stupid puppets or flames, but that's why there is a notify moderator button. This forum doesn't need mods that skim for flames. I think there haven't been any problems until the ban last week.

I hate to see those people go, I like reading their posts.

Please let me know if you see problems or have questions or anything...


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Annom]
    #5272617 - 02/07/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Annom said:
I said I was thinking about demodding me from P&S because I could not participate as much as I want, but a few regulars here asked me to stay and said I did some good for the balance.




I remember telling you such. :thumbup:


Quote:


I think this is/should be a mature forum that can mod itself. There are always stupid puppets or flames, but that's why there is a notify moderator button. This forum doesn't need mods that skim for flames.




I kept hitting the notify moderator button, and no one answered! You better have enjoyed your snowboarding vacation, man. The only active moderator apparently refused to acknowledge my frequent notifications when a person as you have described continued to act agansit me after they had been warned and had threads locked for doing so. Such blatant disregard for one's responsibilities is very troubling to me and makes it difficult for myself to participate.

Knowing that Annom is here is very reassuring, but all of the free time that I've been investing into focusing on living my life is producing great dividends to reap. I'd hate for people to think that I became upset over the Swami issue and split - I became quite disenchanted with having inappropriate actions taken agansit my character and not having such actions addressed and resolved (Ythan was a great help, though :thumbup:).

Have a good one, folks. Perhaps we will cross paths now and again (much to everyone's dismay :smirk:) :thumbup: :mushroom2:

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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5272924 - 02/07/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Be well. It's been a pleasure reading your posts, man. :smile:

Some years ahead I might hear Boknagard raging from a little house with a view over a fjord here, pick up a scent of some good R?d Libban being smoked, and watch fireworks recklessly exploding in the rain. I'll come knocking, and beg for a joint.  :grin:

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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: MAIA]
    #5272933 - 02/07/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Please ... what about Phluck ?

He's an Objectivist. That doesn't count.  :crazy2:


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5273225 - 02/07/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
Please ... what about Phluck ?

He's an Objectivist. That doesn't count.  :crazy2:



Skorpivo is the only Objectivist I know on this site.  Phluck always struck me as a liberal skeptic.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Silversoul]
    #5273260 - 02/07/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Skorpivo is the only Objectivist I know on this site. Phluck always struck me as a liberal skeptic.

There is also Phred, who is likely the most knowledgeable Objectivist on this site. Besides, from what I've seen of Phluck, it would be no surprise to me if he were an Objectivist.

Edit: Barring a topic or two, that is..




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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5273648 - 02/07/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Shuffle again, folks !
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Silversoul]
    #5274416 - 02/07/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I must've gotten Phluck and Phred mixed up....


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5274777 - 02/07/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I dont think anyone on this board is truly an objectivist... maybe objectionist....


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5274805 - 02/07/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
I dont think anyone on this board is truly an objectivist...




Why do you say that?


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5274810 - 02/07/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
I dont think anyone on this board is truly an objectivist... maybe objectionist....



We're talking about "Objectivism" with a capital "O." It's the term Ayn Rand used for her philosophy, because she was an arrogant bitch.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Silversoul]
    #5274812 - 02/07/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So what is objectivism with a lowercase "o?"


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Silversoul]
    #5274835 - 02/07/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I understand exactly what you are talking about... I still dont think anyone here really embodies that concept in their words or mannerisms.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5274837 - 02/07/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Skorpivo.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5274871 - 02/07/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone notice that the P&S has become highly bi-partisan? and we are discussing modships like congress and the media discuss supreme court nominees?

Another similarity I am seeing is disagreement based on these party lines for the sake of towing the party platform.

i think the entire point of this forum has been lost due to the last few weeks of drama.... are we not supposed to come here with open minds to share ideas and disagree or agree personally with each other?

Seems that many of the logicians are reeling like republicans did after strom thurman died now that swami has left.... who now will give us the witty catch phrases and "logical" rhetoric to fight off these lost mysticians?


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5274880 - 02/07/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I said Skorpivo was an objectivist, that's all.  Nothing about modships anywhere in there.  :wtf:


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5274909 - 02/07/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

oh, sorry, didnt really mean to respond to you on that... kind of something I just thought about which seemed relevant to this thread... earlier.

but... um.... yeah.... ok, we disagree about skorpivo's objectivism....


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Silversoul]
    #5276127 - 02/08/06 01:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's the term Ayn Rand used for her philosophy, because she was an arrogant bitch.

How arrogant of you to make such a statement. What a shining example of a Christian who seeks Christ Consciousness.

Look at Swami, Phred - perhaps even Diploid. Because of the fact that these people have hard-earned confidence in their philosophical stances, and do not play Mr. Meek Mouse for the sake of not ruffling another's feathers, and do not hesitate to assert their knowledge with full conviction, authority and confidence - they become labeled "arrogant" - typically by those who happen to oppose their stances in the first place. Because these assaulters cannot defend nor assert their weak philosophies in face of such sharp minds, they resort to such ad hominems.

You sound just like these very folks that gave Swami, et al., a hard time. All I've heard from you in regards to dissents of Objectivism are ad hominems against Ayn Rand, and your percieved arrogance. As a mature philosophical mind, you should be able to be at least a little more..objective in your assessment and evaluation of the actual philosophy. Try making actual, intelligent and civil refutations of the philosophy itself, and you will recieve intelligent responses - but I suspect that if you really had any such refutations in mind, you would've already brought it up, rather than resorting to petty remarks about a woman who was a great philosophical mind.

Without a shadow of doubt, Ayn Rand is one of the greatest humans I've ever come to know. Her greatest achievement was to prove that reality is knowable, we are capable of learning how it works and what it is, that our own lives are ends in themselves, that no one else has a claim on our lives, that productivity is one of the highest virtues, that slavery is horrible and being a slave driver is most horrible, that we should have control over what we create so that we can use it to promote the lives of those whom we love [very much including our own] and that it is a monstrosity for others to take it from you.. She was revolutionary in the greatest sense. She began the war to free men's minds, read: men's lives, read: free men. She was the greatest proponent of individual freedom that has ever existed, hands down.





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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5276168 - 02/08/06 02:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well skorp,

You can use how you put Ann in the highest position of authority over your life to relate to those you mock. I think those that believe in a higher authority here actually hold it within their own hearts, not another human being or idol.

Regarding the others you mentioned, in all fairness, it takes nothing, no strength or courage to stand behind anything concrete for all to see. Thats easy to do and you can always prove yourself in the right and knowing what is real.

Those that come forward to stand alone and for something of a higher truth, that is not concrete, that all can't plainly see, and that can't be proven are the ones with the strength of courage to be admired. That's not easy to do.

Whats the big deal if I grab something from a science journal and say, "Look what I know. I am so right and I can prove it." Anyone can do that.

You claim Ann brings people freedom? Sounds to me like she snatched away from you the freedom to think, feel and believe as you wish to. She has forced you to think and believe only what ration and logic dictate to be right. That doesn't sound like freedom to me. It sounds like a binding fixed prison cell for what would otherwise be, a free thinking mind able to roam and go anywhere it pleases and feel right within its own heart of being, which is enough for a truly free mind.

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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5276391 - 02/08/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You can use how you put Ann in the highest position of authority over your life to relate to those you mock. I think those that believe in a higher authority here actually hold it within their own hearts, not another human being or idol.

Being objective and rational is what I hold within my own heart as the highest position of authority - not Ayn Rand herself.

Regarding the others you mentioned, in all fairness, it takes nothing, no strength or courage to stand behind anything concrete for all to see. Thats easy to do and you can always prove yourself in the right and knowing what is real.

In other words, facts are facts, and as such, they are of great and convenient use - this does not subvert reason or the use of such. Rather, such a quality supports the use of such.


Those that come forward to stand alone and for something of a higher truth, that is not concrete, that all can't plainly see, and that can't be proven are the ones with the strength of courage to be admired. That's not easy to do.

Hmm, kinda like Oism, in some ways. Except, Oism doesn't require any chasm-leaping faith. Some say it's plenty easier to fall into blind faith and arbitrary thinking - and I agree. Such is usually the result of an undisciplined mind with a lack of responsibility, anyway. And of course..some say it is easier to pull random, arbitrary statements out of one's ass and pose it as truth.


You claim Ann brings people freedom? Sounds to me like she snatched away from you the freedom to think, feel and believe as you wish to. She has forced you to think and believe only what ration and logic dictate to be right. That doesn't sound like freedom to me. It sounds like a binding fixed prison cell for what would otherwise be, a free thinking mind able to roam and go anywhere it pleases and feel right within its own heart of being, which is enough for a truly free mind.

Oh please. More black and white, sophomoric thinking - how so emblematic of a mind that has gained higher cognition and dexterity, hmm? I get it, Jiggy - you're a female with nearly NO balance in your thinking; you've always tried to crusade against Rationality, Logic, and such tools of cognition which you claim are "prisons", "limitations", and all sorts of epithets. Nevermind the fact that it is because of such tools that people, including myself, have increased the quality of life. Hello? Rationality increases the quality of life. Being logical in my assessment of real-life situations, increases the quality in the course of action taken by myself. Observing my behaviors objectively and rationally enable me to approach them in a much more mature and scientific method, and create change for the better. How do you think I am able to integrate my thinking? The list goes on.. and the fact is, I've always, more or less, known this for ages - long before I knew jack about Oism or Miss Rand - the discovery of Oism, along with other things, has concretized this.

Tell me, what specifically am I really missing out on, Jiggy? I, as an artistic type [see: sigs, and tons of other sigs I have created for members, for starters], most certainly value creativity. So it cannot be this, what you are talking about. Well?
Your claims are just as absurd as one who strolls up to a house in construction, and shouts at the carpenters "Hey! Your tools restrict you from building! Throw them away! Free yourself!..."



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Re: Where's the door? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #5276568 - 02/08/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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JacquesCousteau said:
Hi... here's a different perspective:

I'm not the type of person to make a big deal out of this kind of bullshit. I don't like feeding drama. I try to avoid it. (Perhaps I'm making an exception with this ultra-rare post.)

That being said, I'd like to point out that I stopped posting in here when the logic-crew took over, and so did several others that I considered respectable members of our community, but who's absence was barely noticed by the majority. (Because they stepped out peacefully without screaming a facetious declaration of oppression...)

I have nothing against logical consistency. Infact, I believe logic and spirituality can work hand in hand with the right degree of flexibility of communication in the middle.

No, on the contrary, I simply felt the forum had lost the inviting atmosphere that lured me in in the first place. No warmth. Encouragement of development of ideas was dropped in favor of encouragement of tearing down ideas.

I'm sorry, but that's all it takes to send me packing.

I am more sorry to see so many pulled into the negative mindset of tearing down instead of building up than I am to see these members leave.

I truly hope they re-evaluate and decide to return with a more positive attitude to contribute...

But in the mean time, I can't help wanting to remind the members of this forum that SOME posters (mods or not) were also discouraged from posting here due to the presence of that mindset.

I never complained that I was wronged in a whiney exit thread, and I won't start now... I just want to act as a physical reminder that things go both ways, and people get shafted at all turns in life. If you aren't used to this by now, perhaps you're not living in reality.

That being said, I suppose it is up to those of you who remember my old presence in S&P to determine whether or not I should be considered someone worth having around, eh?  :tongue:

It's so much easier to notice an egotistical exit, because it reeks of drama. The real diamonds in the rough already slipped out unnoticed, when the smell of shit first hit their nostrils.




EXACTLY
perfect :thumbup: 
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5276716 - 02/08/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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SkorpivoMusterion said:
Your claims are just as absurd as one who strolls up to a house in construction, and shouts at the carpenters "Hey! Your tools restrict you from building! Throw them away! Free yourself!..."



*spit take*
:lol:
Great... now I've got grapefruit juice on my keyboard...


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5276922 - 02/08/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

She was the greatest proponent of individual freedom that has ever existed, hands down.

Nobody beats the Donatien Alphonse Francois de Sade as the freeist being to ever live.

All I've heard from you in regards to dissents of Objectivism are ad hominems against Ayn Rand

Ever watched the debate between Nathaniel Branden and Albert Ellis? The one where you can hear Ayn Rand yelling and booing in the background everytime Albert Ellis tries to make a point? As far as I can tell, Ayn Rand was a master of ad hominem.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5277051 - 02/08/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

My complaint against Ayn Rand is the arrogance in believing that her philosophy = objective reality. That's basically saying "I have it all figured out, and you guys don't." I would never make such an arrogant claim, because unlike her, I understand that reality is open to interpretation. It's not that I think her ideas aren't valid. The sin she commits is thinking that they are the only valid outlook. This is no better than a Christian saying that his religion is the only path to salvation. It is a sort of schizophrenia posing as logic.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5277270 - 02/08/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I do not crusade AGAINST ration and logic. They are useful tools, and I use them a lot along with other ones to create larger paradigms for myself.

What I speak up for is the use of the FULL brain, both the right and left hemisphere. I compare just using the left brain to being on a boat with one oar only on the left side rowing. You'll go in circles doing that.

Nothing can be reasoned with near accuracy without two way communication between both hemispheres. It's the right hemisphere that also communicates with the heart. Without the heart involved, monsters are created.

Skorp, you use to post a lot from that sort of balance. You've done posts on Frog Spirit Totems, Interior design, from all sorts of creative places that were very interesting and left open. I wonder what happened recently.

I think from what I can tell, everyone here likes and appreciates the person you are very much, including me.

I think what some have tired of, is the same bounds and limits Anns philosophy has imposed upon you, being imposed upon the rest of us here when we freely speak our open minds. Ann is presented as the authority on what is truth and how to get to truth for Everyone. She doesn't speak for my truth or the way I go about discerning for myself.

Maybe you don't see how limiting her philosophy is to explorers of consciousness and spirit. This is also a spirituality forum and Ann is very restrictive of that so much so, her tools have told her spirit essence doesn't even exist.

It's the spirit of the adventure and explorer of the unknown that takes one beyond the walls, those too afraid of being wrong put up.
Ann may never be wrong in what she says and may be able to prove it right in the concrete world, yet she is far from being a free thinking person the way I see her.

She only walks where other men already have gone and whom have declared it really there and safe for her to go to.

Just my opinions. I love you skorp!

:heart: :sun: :peace:


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