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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5274871 - 02/07/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone notice that the P&S has become highly bi-partisan? and we are discussing modships like congress and the media discuss supreme court nominees?

Another similarity I am seeing is disagreement based on these party lines for the sake of towing the party platform.

i think the entire point of this forum has been lost due to the last few weeks of drama.... are we not supposed to come here with open minds to share ideas and disagree or agree personally with each other?

Seems that many of the logicians are reeling like republicans did after strom thurman died now that swami has left.... who now will give us the witty catch phrases and "logical" rhetoric to fight off these lost mysticians?


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5274880 - 02/07/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I said Skorpivo was an objectivist, that's all.  Nothing about modships anywhere in there.  :wtf:


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5274909 - 02/07/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

oh, sorry, didnt really mean to respond to you on that... kind of something I just thought about which seemed relevant to this thread... earlier.

but... um.... yeah.... ok, we disagree about skorpivo's objectivism....


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Silversoul]
    #5276127 - 02/08/06 01:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's the term Ayn Rand used for her philosophy, because she was an arrogant bitch.

How arrogant of you to make such a statement. What a shining example of a Christian who seeks Christ Consciousness.

Look at Swami, Phred - perhaps even Diploid. Because of the fact that these people have hard-earned confidence in their philosophical stances, and do not play Mr. Meek Mouse for the sake of not ruffling another's feathers, and do not hesitate to assert their knowledge with full conviction, authority and confidence - they become labeled "arrogant" - typically by those who happen to oppose their stances in the first place. Because these assaulters cannot defend nor assert their weak philosophies in face of such sharp minds, they resort to such ad hominems.

You sound just like these very folks that gave Swami, et al., a hard time. All I've heard from you in regards to dissents of Objectivism are ad hominems against Ayn Rand, and your percieved arrogance. As a mature philosophical mind, you should be able to be at least a little more..objective in your assessment and evaluation of the actual philosophy. Try making actual, intelligent and civil refutations of the philosophy itself, and you will recieve intelligent responses - but I suspect that if you really had any such refutations in mind, you would've already brought it up, rather than resorting to petty remarks about a woman who was a great philosophical mind.

Without a shadow of doubt, Ayn Rand is one of the greatest humans I've ever come to know. Her greatest achievement was to prove that reality is knowable, we are capable of learning how it works and what it is, that our own lives are ends in themselves, that no one else has a claim on our lives, that productivity is one of the highest virtues, that slavery is horrible and being a slave driver is most horrible, that we should have control over what we create so that we can use it to promote the lives of those whom we love [very much including our own] and that it is a monstrosity for others to take it from you.. She was revolutionary in the greatest sense. She began the war to free men's minds, read: men's lives, read: free men. She was the greatest proponent of individual freedom that has ever existed, hands down.





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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5276168 - 02/08/06 02:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well skorp,

You can use how you put Ann in the highest position of authority over your life to relate to those you mock. I think those that believe in a higher authority here actually hold it within their own hearts, not another human being or idol.

Regarding the others you mentioned, in all fairness, it takes nothing, no strength or courage to stand behind anything concrete for all to see. Thats easy to do and you can always prove yourself in the right and knowing what is real.

Those that come forward to stand alone and for something of a higher truth, that is not concrete, that all can't plainly see, and that can't be proven are the ones with the strength of courage to be admired. That's not easy to do.

Whats the big deal if I grab something from a science journal and say, "Look what I know. I am so right and I can prove it." Anyone can do that.

You claim Ann brings people freedom? Sounds to me like she snatched away from you the freedom to think, feel and believe as you wish to. She has forced you to think and believe only what ration and logic dictate to be right. That doesn't sound like freedom to me. It sounds like a binding fixed prison cell for what would otherwise be, a free thinking mind able to roam and go anywhere it pleases and feel right within its own heart of being, which is enough for a truly free mind.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5276391 - 02/08/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You can use how you put Ann in the highest position of authority over your life to relate to those you mock. I think those that believe in a higher authority here actually hold it within their own hearts, not another human being or idol.

Being objective and rational is what I hold within my own heart as the highest position of authority - not Ayn Rand herself.

Regarding the others you mentioned, in all fairness, it takes nothing, no strength or courage to stand behind anything concrete for all to see. Thats easy to do and you can always prove yourself in the right and knowing what is real.

In other words, facts are facts, and as such, they are of great and convenient use - this does not subvert reason or the use of such. Rather, such a quality supports the use of such.


Those that come forward to stand alone and for something of a higher truth, that is not concrete, that all can't plainly see, and that can't be proven are the ones with the strength of courage to be admired. That's not easy to do.

Hmm, kinda like Oism, in some ways. Except, Oism doesn't require any chasm-leaping faith. Some say it's plenty easier to fall into blind faith and arbitrary thinking - and I agree. Such is usually the result of an undisciplined mind with a lack of responsibility, anyway. And of course..some say it is easier to pull random, arbitrary statements out of one's ass and pose it as truth.


You claim Ann brings people freedom? Sounds to me like she snatched away from you the freedom to think, feel and believe as you wish to. She has forced you to think and believe only what ration and logic dictate to be right. That doesn't sound like freedom to me. It sounds like a binding fixed prison cell for what would otherwise be, a free thinking mind able to roam and go anywhere it pleases and feel right within its own heart of being, which is enough for a truly free mind.

Oh please. More black and white, sophomoric thinking - how so emblematic of a mind that has gained higher cognition and dexterity, hmm? I get it, Jiggy - you're a female with nearly NO balance in your thinking; you've always tried to crusade against Rationality, Logic, and such tools of cognition which you claim are "prisons", "limitations", and all sorts of epithets. Nevermind the fact that it is because of such tools that people, including myself, have increased the quality of life. Hello? Rationality increases the quality of life. Being logical in my assessment of real-life situations, increases the quality in the course of action taken by myself. Observing my behaviors objectively and rationally enable me to approach them in a much more mature and scientific method, and create change for the better. How do you think I am able to integrate my thinking? The list goes on.. and the fact is, I've always, more or less, known this for ages - long before I knew jack about Oism or Miss Rand - the discovery of Oism, along with other things, has concretized this.

Tell me, what specifically am I really missing out on, Jiggy? I, as an artistic type [see: sigs, and tons of other sigs I have created for members, for starters], most certainly value creativity. So it cannot be this, what you are talking about. Well?
Your claims are just as absurd as one who strolls up to a house in construction, and shouts at the carpenters "Hey! Your tools restrict you from building! Throw them away! Free yourself!..."



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Re: Where's the door? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #5276568 - 02/08/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

JacquesCousteau said:
Hi... here's a different perspective:

I'm not the type of person to make a big deal out of this kind of bullshit. I don't like feeding drama. I try to avoid it. (Perhaps I'm making an exception with this ultra-rare post.)

That being said, I'd like to point out that I stopped posting in here when the logic-crew took over, and so did several others that I considered respectable members of our community, but who's absence was barely noticed by the majority. (Because they stepped out peacefully without screaming a facetious declaration of oppression...)

I have nothing against logical consistency. Infact, I believe logic and spirituality can work hand in hand with the right degree of flexibility of communication in the middle.

No, on the contrary, I simply felt the forum had lost the inviting atmosphere that lured me in in the first place. No warmth. Encouragement of development of ideas was dropped in favor of encouragement of tearing down ideas.

I'm sorry, but that's all it takes to send me packing.

I am more sorry to see so many pulled into the negative mindset of tearing down instead of building up than I am to see these members leave.

I truly hope they re-evaluate and decide to return with a more positive attitude to contribute...

But in the mean time, I can't help wanting to remind the members of this forum that SOME posters (mods or not) were also discouraged from posting here due to the presence of that mindset.

I never complained that I was wronged in a whiney exit thread, and I won't start now... I just want to act as a physical reminder that things go both ways, and people get shafted at all turns in life. If you aren't used to this by now, perhaps you're not living in reality.

That being said, I suppose it is up to those of you who remember my old presence in S&P to determine whether or not I should be considered someone worth having around, eh?  :tongue:

It's so much easier to notice an egotistical exit, because it reeks of drama. The real diamonds in the rough already slipped out unnoticed, when the smell of shit first hit their nostrils.




EXACTLY
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5276716 - 02/08/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

SkorpivoMusterion said:
Your claims are just as absurd as one who strolls up to a house in construction, and shouts at the carpenters "Hey! Your tools restrict you from building! Throw them away! Free yourself!..."



*spit take*
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5276922 - 02/08/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

She was the greatest proponent of individual freedom that has ever existed, hands down.

Nobody beats the Donatien Alphonse Francois de Sade as the freeist being to ever live.

All I've heard from you in regards to dissents of Objectivism are ad hominems against Ayn Rand

Ever watched the debate between Nathaniel Branden and Albert Ellis? The one where you can hear Ayn Rand yelling and booing in the background everytime Albert Ellis tries to make a point? As far as I can tell, Ayn Rand was a master of ad hominem.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5277051 - 02/08/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

My complaint against Ayn Rand is the arrogance in believing that her philosophy = objective reality. That's basically saying "I have it all figured out, and you guys don't." I would never make such an arrogant claim, because unlike her, I understand that reality is open to interpretation. It's not that I think her ideas aren't valid. The sin she commits is thinking that they are the only valid outlook. This is no better than a Christian saying that his religion is the only path to salvation. It is a sort of schizophrenia posing as logic.


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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5277270 - 02/08/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I do not crusade AGAINST ration and logic. They are useful tools, and I use them a lot along with other ones to create larger paradigms for myself.

What I speak up for is the use of the FULL brain, both the right and left hemisphere. I compare just using the left brain to being on a boat with one oar only on the left side rowing. You'll go in circles doing that.

Nothing can be reasoned with near accuracy without two way communication between both hemispheres. It's the right hemisphere that also communicates with the heart. Without the heart involved, monsters are created.

Skorp, you use to post a lot from that sort of balance. You've done posts on Frog Spirit Totems, Interior design, from all sorts of creative places that were very interesting and left open. I wonder what happened recently.

I think from what I can tell, everyone here likes and appreciates the person you are very much, including me.

I think what some have tired of, is the same bounds and limits Anns philosophy has imposed upon you, being imposed upon the rest of us here when we freely speak our open minds. Ann is presented as the authority on what is truth and how to get to truth for Everyone. She doesn't speak for my truth or the way I go about discerning for myself.

Maybe you don't see how limiting her philosophy is to explorers of consciousness and spirit. This is also a spirituality forum and Ann is very restrictive of that so much so, her tools have told her spirit essence doesn't even exist.

It's the spirit of the adventure and explorer of the unknown that takes one beyond the walls, those too afraid of being wrong put up.
Ann may never be wrong in what she says and may be able to prove it right in the concrete world, yet she is far from being a free thinking person the way I see her.

She only walks where other men already have gone and whom have declared it really there and safe for her to go to.

Just my opinions. I love you skorp!

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