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Lakefingers

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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Grav]
#5264259 - 02/04/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your post contains errors.
Please hrumbumb, bumb and re-submit.
Submit. Re-sub-miss_ion is a strange thing, Icelander.
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Moonshoe
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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Icelander]
#5266882 - 02/05/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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well you know i love you man.
This forum is losing its vital organs.
but then again, every two hours an elephant dies.
Lets try and keep things in perspective, thats all.

Peace. Drift in the mystery, ice.
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Re: Where's the door? [Re: Moonshoe]
#5267159 - 02/05/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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So who else left?
my internet got cut off since last week....
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See Cervantes' journal: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/117267
Swami, Veritas, Iceman, Fireworks, Mushmonkey, possibly Hue and Diploid. Lost gems of P&S.
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Isn't every one here a shining gem if not a diamond in the rough?
I made a comment in a thread that got deleted saying I though Ver and Ice cared more about swami then the community at large. Nothing wrong with that if they choose to, it's their life and freedom to do so. It was just an observation made to get peoples personal intentions for being here clear. He called me a Liar. Their leaving their care of all of us and this community in favor of swami proved my observation right.
Fine if they do, their life their choice. If people are serving ONE members agenda over the common agenda of this community you can then see how easily divisions amongst us as a community of shroomerites are created here.
When you come here, do you come here, because you care about this place and all of its members or just ONE or a FEW out of tens of thousands at the expense of this place and its members?
If anyone does, it's their choice and freedom to do so. No one member makes or breaks the shroomery community at large. One member can make groups within it though which can break off from the community like what just happened.
Remember, lots of gems and diamonds in the rough have left here because of the hostile environment and MRP is not the solution unfortunately because there is still a lot of negative opposition, senseless arguing, criticizing and mocking going on in there, because its entertainment for people or a place to vent or feel superior on and over easy targets.
How come no one cares about the sensitive types of people who are uncomfortable in hostile environments not feeling welcome in ANY forum here at the shroomery? Don't they have something to contribute and a right to feel welcome here?
People wonder why there are few females here at the shroomery. Females tend to be more sensitive, soft and caring and will find this place very hostile, too testosterone filled, aggressive and uncomfortable to be in. Many hetero men who have embraced their sensitive feminine side probably shy away from this place too.
Is the reflection meant to be given off by the shroomery community one that says;
"Shroom use is about beating people silly until they become calloused hard, and drunk punched enough to handle life here." ?
Those of us who were before we got here can handle it and feel comfortable in this over all environment. Sensitives and the feminine side of nature can help show us all that there is another way to be and other types of environments that are kinder and softer which are rather nice to be in, if we would allow them in here in a welcoming way to show us the way out of dense need to dominate masculinity.
Those who have just left over the swami ban have also said in his defence that, swami couldn't make people leave and if so , they were weak with fragile egos, then what does that make them if they all left because of swami? 
Whatever this is silly.
Moon said , lets keep this in perspective. An elephant dies every two days. A new baby is born every minute as well. Life carries on and we make the best of what we have to work with and right now. What we have to make the best of this site with is who is still an active member here and the new ones to come.
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MushmanTheManic
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Isn't every one here a shining gem if not a diamond in the rough?
No. I enjoy(ed) reading Diploid's and Ravus's (Ravus is still here? Right!?) posts way more than other posters here. Maybe its just because they shared a system of thought which I agreed with almost entirely and explained it in ways much more elegant than I ever could. Anyway, all these people will be missed... and some more than others.
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Cherk
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Quote:
gettinjiggywithit said: Isn't every one here a shining gem if not a diamond in the rough?
I made a comment in a thread that got deleted saying I though Ver and Ice cared more about swami then the community at large. Nothing wrong with that if they choose to, it's their life and freedom to do so. It was just an observation made to get peoples personal intentions for being here clear. He called me a Liar. Their leaving their care of all of us and this community in favor of swami proved my observation right.
Icelander and Veritas were here because their personal paths have directed them to helping others with the wisdom they've gained through life, not for swami This was seen in almost all of their posts, and even said outright in a few threads. Both of them have also mentioned how through their time posting here they've become close friends with Swami IRL. This changes everything. Their decision was not a black and white issue of "shroomery or swami" like you're trying to make it out to be. Expecting someone to choose staying here in order to "serve" the rest of us when their paths are leading them elsewhere is an absurd thing to ask of anyone. What happened, happened, and no matter what we'll never know all of the details because we are not Icelander or Veritas
Perhaps they value their friendshiup with swami more than their committment to this community. Or maybe they value standing by their principles more than their committment to this community. Once again, we'll never know because we are not icelander or veritas.
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gettinjiggywithit said: Those who have just left over the swami ban have also said in his defence that, swami couldn't make people leave and if so , they were weak with fragile egos, then what does that make them if they all left because of swami? 
They were saying that Swami's "personal attacks" couldn't make people leave. This is true, no one can force you to do anything. They were not saying that their own friendship with Swami is something that couldn't cause them to eventually leave. You have a great talent of making everything appear to be a black and white issue.
I also disagree with your statement that there are few females here because of the hostile environment. There are few females here because this is the internet. The m/f ratio of any internet message board not strictly dealing with women's issues is going to be far from even.
The bottom line is people here are just like people everywhere else. I wish just as much as you that our society would be one that embraces the beauty in every individual, but that ain't being realistic, at least not where we're at now. Sensitive people need to thicken their skin unless they don't mind feeling like shit everyday. Society sucks, get used to it.(believe me, I have a lot of "getting used to it" to do myself )
I think you're a great poster and I love reading your insights, but I think you have a tendency to forgo logic when it comes to emotional/people issues.
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Cherk]
#5267839 - 02/05/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Relax... jiggy is just in Mod training. As soon as she transmutates completely, she'll get the greenlight.
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Cherk
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Sclorch]
#5267857 - 02/05/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've got nothing against jiggy, my post has a little bit of an angry undertone due to some other issues, unrelated to the shroomery, that I've been dealing with tonight.
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Sclorch
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Cherk]
#5267990 - 02/05/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Smoker For Peace said: I've got nothing against jiggy, my post has a little bit of an angry undertone due to some other issues, unrelated to the shroomery, that I've been dealing with tonight.
New thread topic?
/nudge
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Shroomism
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Sclorch]
#5268033 - 02/05/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wrong. Jiggy was offered a mod position and turned it down.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Cherk]
#5268047 - 02/05/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, they were serving the community along their paths until they met swami here and choose to leave with him as a part of their new path. That's what I said. Thats fine and understandable too. Ice called me a liar for making that simple observation before they both proved it true.
Let me call you a liar, and then prove myself wrong for saying that in my actions, without an apology to you from me and see how you like it.
Judge me if you can't understand that. I forgive everyone, even him for saying it. Just because I said they served him MORE doesn't mean they didn't care about or serve this place while they were here. They did moocho mucho lotso. Maybe in time, things will look different and they will come back. They did serve many here including me and I thank them for that. 
On the other note you addressed,
My child hood toughened and hardened me up. I've been posting almost daily here for a year and half. I'm comfortable in this environment obviously. Its not about me. It's about me realizing the importance of balancing the masculine with the feminine. The masculine needs the feminine side to temper itself from self destruction.
I want more of those types here to learn from them and I don't like seeing them being a chased away.
I don't go for this, "Life is tough you have to learn to deal with it" mentality. If you believe that, you will live a tough life. When people, be it friends, bosses, teachers, family members whatever, get hostile and mean to me, I don't have to put up with crap from anyone. I am free to leave any environment I choose too. If someone punches me, I don't stand there and take it. I either punch back if I am feeling feisty, then leave or I just leave.
So, if your sister is in an abusive relationship, do tell her to learn to deal with being abused and to toughen up and take it? Hell no! You tell her to find a guy who will respect her, care for her well being and who will be kind and gentle and considerate towards her.
If we make it acceptable for people to be mean and abusive to us, then where is the incentive for people to stop being mean and abusive?
I find it funny that you say, I may at times seem emotional (I'll call it passionate about things I feel strongly about) when I should be "logical". Thats what I am talking about. The feminine side tends to be more passionate from a feeling base and some men can't stand it and prefer cold hard logic. Most of the males here prefer it and thats why ,most women don't who don't feel welcome or comfortable here, feel welcomed or comfortable here.
Haven't you noticed that the majority of the female members here post in just the PUB most of the time? The rest of the forums read like a guys locker room or a mens club.
How many women are more comfortable hanging with a group of guys then a group of gals and prefer it? We are few to begin with. I was just pointing out how the left brain machismo stuff is another unwelcoming factor to almost half of the world population using shrooms that stumbles upon this place.
Shrooms are equally appreciated by women and men alike, yet the feminine aspect is not appreciated or equally respected by the majority of men here. Maybe some do and just don't speak up enough to make it welcome here, because they fear being cracked on the ass and mocked with a wet towel in the boys locker room.
If anyone wants to talk about a bias driving members away or keeping them from feeling welcome, its the masculine dominated bias that rules here. Maybe, thats changing as the admins and mods are making moves to make more feel welcome here.
Oh well, thats just my observation opinion.
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JacquesCousteau
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Hi... here's a different perspective:
I'm not the type of person to make a big deal out of this kind of bullshit. I don't like feeding drama. I try to avoid it. (Perhaps I'm making an exception with this ultra-rare post.)
That being said, I'd like to point out that I stopped posting in here when the logic-crew took over, and so did several others that I considered respectable members of our community, but who's absence was barely noticed by the majority. (Because they stepped out peacefully without screaming a facetious declaration of oppression...)
I have nothing against logical consistency. Infact, I believe logic and spirituality can work hand in hand with the right degree of flexibility of communication in the middle.
No, on the contrary, I simply felt the forum had lost the inviting atmosphere that lured me in in the first place. No warmth. Encouragement of development of ideas was dropped in favor of encouragement of tearing down ideas.
I'm sorry, but that's all it takes to send me packing.
I am more sorry to see so many pulled into the negative mindset of tearing down instead of building up than I am to see these members leave.
I truly hope they re-evaluate and decide to return with a more positive attitude to contribute...
But in the mean time, I can't help wanting to remind the members of this forum that SOME posters (mods or not) were also discouraged from posting here due to the presence of that mindset.
I never complained that I was wronged in a whiney exit thread, and I won't start now... I just want to act as a physical reminder that things go both ways, and people get shafted at all turns in life. If you aren't used to this by now, perhaps you're not living in reality.
That being said, I suppose it is up to those of you who remember my old presence in S&P to determine whether or not I should be considered someone worth having around, eh? 
It's so much easier to notice an egotistical exit, because it reeks of drama. The real diamonds in the rough already slipped out unnoticed, when the smell of shit first hit their nostrils.
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Sclorch
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Shroomism]
#5268834 - 02/06/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Wrong. Jiggy was offered a mod position...
My point exactly.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Sclorch]
#5269229 - 02/06/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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And so what is your point sclorch? Maybe I appear that way to you because I do care to serve the greater good of this place in my own way. I do have experience "modding" a multi million dollar business, a Home and family and even started up my own message board years back.
I appreciate what it takes for the staff to have developed and maintain this place and to grow it into something this great. If you resent my appreciation of them then, so be it.
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Sclorch
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Look, jiggy, I like you... you're a good poster. You contribute a lot here and I can't remember you ever attacking me personally. That said...
Your acceptance of esoteric views is like every mod we've EVER had in this forum. The only exception ever was "Plato" - he started out normal, but flipped out and left...
Anyways, this is why there has never been a good balance in here... we've only had one side represented. And it's not that the rational crowd needs representation "to feel loved" or whatever... it would put someone of the same perspective "on the inside" - you know, allow for a staff-only discussion on a level playing field. Half the time, people aren't picking up on the light-hearted nuances within a critical post... so they get upset (in spite of the disclaimer in this forum's rules) and then the mods have to get involved (as if this is something they like doing).
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That is why I so much dislike the drama, too. It destroys the mood. Ones were banned, the others will leave, most are hurt and it does take some time to rebuilt some good mood. Only then, we all can return back to creativity and constructive thinking.
Their choice will be respected, but I also respect the choice of small children. They all have to learn... to get to maturity. If they need a break, they will get it, but I hope and believe, they somedays will return...
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: The revolving door of life [Re: Sclorch]
#5269635 - 02/06/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I appreciate your words sclorch. For sure, we have no control over who comes here in a serious mood, in defence mode, in attack mode, feeling overly sensitive, or completely devoid of respect or consideration.
And shit happens as a result and mods come in.
How do you get all active readers and posters to get on the same page with the right balance and blend of not being overly serious, yet not taking people like a joke either, of not being overly sensitive, yet not inconsiderate either?
Most of us drawn to this subject matter I think are at least working on establishing a greater center of balance. The thing is, when we see someone off it and wobbling, how many go to help the person get back to their own center of balance versus those who see it as opportunity to take advantage off and knock them over flat on their ass?
Its too easy to push someone over the edge when they are already off balance without a grip on themselves. Then people laugh and find it funny and others find that cruel and get turned off and..............
Some of us appreciate and enjoy some light heart razzing. You have to take the time to learn, who knows how to take it or even enjoys it. If you do it to a serious type noob, they won't appreciate it and they will leave. Even if two or more of us are throwing and loving it, I read a post in the pub that was discussing S&P saying they left here because they didn't like to read through that stuff and wanted more content to learn from.
We do have OTD for that and so, maybe for the sake of the greater good, we can all cool it a bit in here and stay focused on topics everyone can jump in on. Otherwise, it looks like a club of insiders formed here and others feel left out of the discussion.
The nature of this subject topic, spirituality and philosophy is going to draw many serious types of people over all. Some people have it as their major in college and others have devoted huge chunks of their life to spiritual growth and disciplines. People jump in here without an appreciation or respect for either and trample all over huge and significant portions of peoples lives and they leave.
I think its unrealistic to expect everyone here to always come balanced, centered and stabilized. Just because someone is in that state, I don't think its cool if people take advantage of it and push them over the edge. I've seen so many people get warned and banned because they were already wobbly and someone pushed them to hard for fun and the other hauled off on a flaming rampage.
How do we keep people from coming here and posting when they are not centered, balanced, and stable at the time? We can't. All we can do is work to recognize that and not push them to hard or to far otherwise, we become a part of the problem and not the solution.
Is it hard for people to say, "sorry, I was just playing around, no personal offense meant" when they see someone getting worked up? That can go a long way to keeping something from getting to heated up for flames erupt.
We can all work to help each other more instead of work to hurt each other. Thats for sure, and it would make this place cooler to hang out in for everyone.
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