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OfflineFluShu
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No primodia after 2 1/2 months
    #5257790 - 02/02/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's my first grow attempt, I've been using PF sent out 3 seperation generations, but the oldest of them has had over 70 days and still no primordia! but there's also no contaminations, the jars seem to be a good dampness... do I need to wait for the little baby shrooms to press against the glass before I birth them? I'm worried about doing it too soon, but this seems like a long time... help me through this rough first grow and I'll promise to send lots of cool pics and grow logs over the interesting hobby years to come:) I love this ^_^


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: FluShu]
    #5257801 - 02/02/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What are the temps? How are you keeping the jars warm?


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: License_to_Chill]
    #5257855 - 02/03/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't quite understand. Are your jars fully colonized (covered in white mycellium)? If so, you need to birth them immediately. 70 days? Shrooms pressing on glass? What? You don't want primordia in the jars unless you're following an in vitro tek. If that's the case, you don't birth at all. Need more info.


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: Premedman1]
    #5257861 - 02/03/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wait...so its fully covered in white myc? Then, BIRTH NOW! Wow...70 days...

Is that what you're talking about?


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: Premedman1]
    #5257875 - 02/03/06 12:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

try searching for a dunk tek. It seems that cake eaters often run in to this problem. Could be meany things. But I bet those fuckers are thristy. I know I would be after two and a half months.. If they are still in the jars. the wont pin in the jar unless your doing invitro witch is a lame tek that was a joke kinda some dude way back in the day forgot about the jars and the made shrooms in the jars after so long. I think it was hippie from mycotopia he posts here sometimes too. You need to tak them out and put them in the fruiting chamber that you built. You did build one didnt you?


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: onetime]
    #5257881 - 02/03/06 12:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Damn man, you followed those stupid directions. When the jar is fully white, wait a few more days, then get it out of the jar and start giving it like, a temp drop and fresh air exchanges, with high humidity...thats how you get it to pin and get mushrooms. And if it takes longer then a week or two, three max...toss the cake and start over. But you have to take it out of the jar and birth it first.


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: onetime]
    #5257884 - 02/03/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't call it lame, Invitro is a valuable tek for a lot of people.....and Hippie is more than someone "who just forgot about the jars."


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: xxanxx]
    #5257899 - 02/03/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well it was only made into a tek after the mistake was made. It was a invintion of weed/beer. So they should get just a much props for it as hippie did for typeing up his find.


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: onetime]
    #5257966 - 02/03/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for all the replies everyone:) I knew 70 days was a really long time... I got the "shrooms pressed against the jar" thing from the pictures from PF tek for simple minds http://www.fungifun.org/pf/pics/cake_pre1flush_1.jpg

Yes I do have a terrarium ready, it's the same set up as the inoculation chamber, 2 rubbermaids fit together with water and a fish tank heater in the bottom.

Some of the cakes look pretty much colonized, but most have had a lot of trouble taking the substrate at the bottom of the jars. Long nights of FAQ reading had me flipping them over, and since they've gotten into the rubbermaids most of them have started to fill in the patches. They're at 81 right now, so 83 inside the jars, but before I got this new set up (last week) I was using a metal spaghetti bowl filled with hot water wrapped up with the jars inside a blanket. It worked surprisingly well, seldom going over 89 and not usually dropping below 80... I know that's bad, but I had limited means at the time.

Temperature stability has been a real problem up till now though... Do you think there's still hope? If not, I'll try to find a good dunk tek and birth them tomorrow, plus start a new batch of jars that spend aaaaaaaaall their time in the coziness of the rubbermaids:)


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: FluShu]
    #5257990 - 02/03/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Yes I do have a terrarium ready, it's the same set up as the inoculation chamber*, 2 rubbermaids fit together with water and a fish tank heater in the bottom.




Do you mean incubator? You don't want that kind of heat in a FC (fruiting chamber). 70-75 is optimal. You must also have a means to raise RH (relative humidity) to as close to 100% as possible, especially with cakes. A couple of inches of extra damp perlite across the bottom of your FC will work. Man, read up on those FAQ's again. I think you skipped a couple of pages.  :wink:


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: Premedman1]
    #5258027 - 02/03/06 12:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

AHem, sorry, tired and stoned. Yes, incubator. I need to heat the fruiting chamber too because room temperature around here is 63 to 66. The extra damp perilite sounds great, I wasn't too keen on dunking.... trying (and failing) to keep it simple.

I'll keep you posted, I'm not quitting and neither are these poor confused cakes!!!


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: FluShu]
    #5258123 - 02/03/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well it sounds like you only need a 4-10F change.


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: onetime]
    #5258214 - 02/03/06 03:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You can fruit at those temps - it will just be a little slower.


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: _OttO_]
    #5258349 - 02/03/06 06:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

BARGH! Do yourself a big favor, read my post on cake grafting to extra substrate.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5234347


You'll find casing will yeild a hell of alot more then cakes and they are alot easier to fruit.


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Re: No primodia after 2 1/2 months [Re: Pr0_X]
    #5258388 - 02/03/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

unless you live in a cold climate and the room that the fruiting chamber is in is cold you should not need the two rubbermaids with water in one for the fruiting chamber. you could most likely just use one and do as premedman1 said. good luck


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