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OfflineAncalagon
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Re: "healthcare/employment/shelter/etc. is a basic human right" [Re: wilshire]
    #5267585 - 02/05/06 11:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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wilshire said:
the notion that neither of those is a basic human right has a direct corollary ..a person should not be allowed to live if the state cannot use him/her

how are the chances of you explaining this leap of logic? or of answering the question posed in the title post of the thread?



Why you bother, MM, will be forever beyond my grasp.


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Re: "healthcare/employment/shelter/etc. is a basic human right" [Re: trendal]
    #5267615 - 02/05/06 11:29 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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trendal said:
does anyone here believe that healthcare or employment is an inalienable right?

I don't.

That isn't to say they aren't "good things"....but certainly not inalienable rights.

In fact I would say there is only one "basic human right" and that is the right to live and live freely. All else stems from that single right.




Is a basic human right an inalienable right? Because if so, I think your "right" is completely false, seeing as not only can people take it away, but they do every day. People imprison others, torture them, kidnap them, slaughter them en masse and kill them one by one, showing that humans most definitely do not have the right live and live freely.

The only inalienable right, in my opinion, is the right to die. No one can take this away from you, even if they try to postpone it a short while.

"Rights" as a concept are bullshit anyway. We don't have rights, unless the rights are built into the Constitution of the country, and clearly, free health care is not built into the Constitution. That is not to say it can't be given by Congress, but I don't think it's unconstitutional not to have health care, though you could argue that the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" includes the right to health care to ensure life. I don't buy that though, plus this is in the Declaration of Independence and not the Constitution, so it's only in spirit anyway, not in law...


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Re: "healthcare/employment/shelter/etc. is a basic human right" [Re: Ravus]
    #5267632 - 02/05/06 11:36 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

"Rights" as a concept are bullshit anyway.

thank you for your honesty.


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