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Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus
    #5255918 - 02/02/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

These were grown some time in 2003 I believe. I used to be more into cultivation, but I haven't really had much time to get into it lately.
Anyways, these were grown to the mature Portabella stage rather than harvested young as button mushrooms. They are a cool species to watch grow, even though they are so commonly found in markets. They got REALLY big. Bigger than any that i have seen in a grocery store. The pictures do them no justice.








Here they are all gown up  :heart:.





I remember that they were very tasty. More so than what you get in the stores. Nothing beats fresh picked mushrooms. There is a huge difference for sure.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: eris]
    #5255923 - 02/02/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

very nice, do you recall your substrate mixture?

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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: waixingren]
    #5255936 - 02/02/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I wish that I still had it. I remember writing down the instructions for preparation from one of my books. I'll have to do some looking around and see if I can still find it! Note that there is a casing layer.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: eris]
    #5256074 - 02/02/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Neat trick with the plastic bag in a box. :thumbup:


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: falcon]
    #5256098 - 02/02/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The general concept consisted of using the plastic to keep the substrate wrapped up and the box to keep things dark while it incubates.. it also makes things kind of easier when the time comes to apply the casing layer. The plastic can be cut open and remain in the box. The box can be easily opened and is also easy to cover back up.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: eris]
    #5257965 - 02/03/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Here you are a (video) link to see how Agaricus bisporus grow into the catacombs under Rome during the Fascism (1922-1945), This way to grow mushrooms is used also in our days. Anyone can remember one of the first images on the book "Growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms" of Paul Stamets illustrating this method.

mms://212.90.30.27/300/MpegC300/C023602.wmv?sid=1138951458796460&subscription=3

mms://212.90.30.27/300/MpegB300/B059401.wmv?sid=1138951878531135&subscription=3

This just a few of seconds about mushrooms in Romania

mms://212.90.30.27/300/MPegI300/I185902.wmv?sid=1138951940500163&subscription=3

This about coltivation of agaricus in Bulgaria, 56 TONS for year (1 ton = 1000 kgs)

mms://212.90.30.27/300/MPegI300/I193004.wmv?sid=1138952111484339&subscription=3

Always Bulgaria (very cool with slants! They should use the way of our friend srgtm1a, whisking them)

mms://212.90.30.27/300/MpegR300/R064204.wmv?sid=1138952576296534&subscription=3



you can open it with windows media player


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: FreeSporePrints]
    #5786145 - 06/24/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry to bring back a thread from a couple months ago, but I was wondering if these videos can still be streamed or downloaded from anywhere. I'm really dying to see them (especially the ones about the mushrooms in the catacombs!!)

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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: iamyour_messiah]
    #5786567 - 06/24/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you can play them into windows media player or simply download them with a tool as HTTRACK...


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: FreeSporePrints]
    #5791585 - 06/26/06 03:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Don't think I ever saw that last reply. Windows media player just gets stuck on "connecting..." when I try to load them now.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: eris]
    #5791601 - 06/26/06 03:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i'm sorry! :smile:

try with this http://www.gustosoft.com/divx-player/ace-divx-player.htm

or check over google.com "*.wmv player"

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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: FreeSporePrints]
    #5791608 - 06/26/06 03:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I found a packet of dry spawn for agaricus. I can get plenty of straw so i might just use that. On the instructions it says to add blood meal to the straw, cover up in plastic and let it degrade to compost. Anyone ever hear of this? It says it will be too hot to touch when its degrading. Or could i just the good old pasturization?


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: eris]
    #5791871 - 06/26/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Good stuff! Mushrooms are grand!

Reminds me of Mycophiles old bulk neglect teck for cubes, or was it Roadkills? Oh well that was like 4 years ago.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: eris]
    #24173267 - 03/18/17 08:56 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Those look huge! I've been using the search box sifting through the forums for hours and looking through the sponsors lists and various online spore vendors and I am having an impossible time finding a viable spore syringe/print/culture for Agaricus Bisporus. Its commercially harvested like no other mushroom yet i'm unable to find anything really except an amazon seller from Ukraine getting bad reviews from cheap "mushroom seed".

I am beyond excited to try and grow these, can anyone point me in the right direction?  Everything i read says to not expect great results from cloning a supermarket mushroom, from someone who has grown these, where is a good place to start?

Can anyone give any firsthand advice on growing these at home? Substrate? I've read of making the compost and turning it, i've read colder fruiting temps. Really, if i can just find quality spores or culture i've dug up enough in these 4 hours to initially succeed and improve from there. ... ... ... If i could find a starting point of course.

Does anyone have any interest in these little guys as I do?

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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #24173736 - 03/19/17 12:24 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

buy one from a store. tear it open and harvest a sample to grow out.
Many of us do not bother because they are so grown out commercially. but ya it is that easy really.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: RandomFX]
    #24175736 - 03/19/17 06:01 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I can understand that, i doubt i'll go past the first or second grow for the same reason, but watching the magic of creating something i use daily for years but have never created, that just has to be done.

What species seems to be peoples favorites and best to grow at home? I'm looking at blue oysters and shiitakes,  I have a large oak tree over my driveway that needs trimming and the branches will be a perfect 4-6" diam for shiitake logs. I'm hoping they're pretty forgiving as i'm doing a bunch in hopes of giving away fully colonized mini-logs as christmas presents in 8 months.

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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #24176436 - 03/19/17 11:09 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

The logs should be cut before they leaf out​. It may be a little late in most parts of the country.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: Quadman]
    #24178562 - 03/20/17 06:04 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

The information i'm finding is a bit confusing for my area, most sources i read say cut in late winter / early spring and the reason is because of sugar accumulation in the wood as a natural antifreeze; shiitake thrive on it.

However i live in right on the southern coast of the US and most of the trees don't lose their leaves here. I'm sure they accumulate extra sugars but i doubt they hold on to them.

i guess I need to know if they will grow at all. I'm ok with 50% yields compared to ideal conditions, and i'm hoping wood fiber and water will be enough to get me that. I've already ordered the plugs so i guess i'll just try a few, i felt comfortable ordering them because i finally found a PF tek for shiitake. and figure i'll use 2 plugs per jar as inoc.

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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #24178809 - 03/20/17 08:28 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I think one of the main issues is you need to keep the bark on the log. If not cut at proper time you can lose bark. You will be fine innoculating. I use 2 plugs per quart jar of WBS all the time. Shiitake take about 17 days to colonize that way.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: Quadman]
    #24179230 - 03/20/17 11:52 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

17 days is much better than 9 months haha, thats why i felt comfortable ordering the plugs. I sure hope the logs work out, I may start a thread with pics on the log grow as I don't see nearly as much activity on the edibles side of this great place. 

The only jar substrate mix i'm finding right now for shiitake is brown rice flour, gypsum, water and sawdust from a hardwood.

Have you tried that or always done wild bird seed?  Would you mind sharing your wbs mix ingredients and ratios, along with any tips? This will be my first grow ever.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #24179273 - 03/21/17 12:27 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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17 days is much better than 9 months haha, thats why i felt comfortable ordering the plugs. I sure hope the logs work out, I may start a thread with pics on the log grow as I don't see nearly as much activity on the edibles side of this great place. 

The only jar substrate mix i'm finding right now for shiitake is brown rice flour, gypsum, water and sawdust from a hardwood.

Have you tried that or always done wild bird seed?  Would you mind sharing your wbs mix ingredients and ratios, along with any tips? This will be my first grow ever.


Thanks.




You should ask this in The Shiitake Grower's Thread not in a 10 year old one about an Agaricus- which is a secondary decomposer so doesn't even eat the same food as Shiitake.  :thumbup:


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24186460 - 03/23/17 03:25 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the advice and the link. When i revived this thread with "thread necormancy" i didn't know enough about the subject matter to properly search for what i wanted to find.

I'm also glad a mod didn't come in here and chew me out for reviving this thread, but i felt i had no choice; I have seen people chewed out by moody mods for starting a new thread asking questions that are answered elsewhere (which i couldn't find without more experience). So in my new-to-mycology ignorance i was doomed either way.

I took some pictures and i'm now going to stumble through making a new thread with my intentions and questions (New Shiitake Log Grow). Thanks!


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: RandomFX]
    #24186573 - 03/23/17 03:57 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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buy one from a store. tear it open and harvest a sample to grow out.
Many of us do not bother because they are so grown out commercially. but ya it is that easy really.




The trick is to cut a small piece of gill tissue, wash it a few times in sterile water and then plate it. Don't clone the mushroom from fruit body tissue. You will likely come up with something pretty close to the original fruitbody. I have done this a few times with Agaricus blazei and works quite well.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: lipa]
    #24186619 - 03/23/17 04:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Honestly as much as we don't tend to like reviving old threads, sometimes there are some things that aren't talked about as much at this point in time- hardly see anything on Agaricus
So you're fine. Though what so like to do is start a new thread and link to the old one for discussion.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: lipa]
    #24187136 - 03/23/17 07:43 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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buy one from a store. tear it open and harvest a sample to grow out.
Many of us do not bother because they are so grown out commercially. but ya it is that easy really.




The trick is to cut a small piece of gill tissue, wash it a few times in sterile water and then plate it. Don't clone the mushroom from fruit body tissue. You will likely come up with something pretty close to the original fruitbody. I have done this a few times with Agaricus blazei and works quite well.



mmmm but a lot of commercial strains are sterile hybrids.  or at least a few.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: drake89]
    #24187240 - 03/23/17 08:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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buy one from a store. tear it open and harvest a sample to grow out.
Many of us do not bother because they are so grown out commercially. but ya it is that easy really.




The trick is to cut a small piece of gill tissue, wash it a few times in sterile water and then plate it. Don't clone the mushroom from fruit body tissue. You will likely come up with something pretty close to the original fruitbody. I have done this a few times with Agaricus blazei and works quite well.



mmmm but a lot of commercial strains are sterile hybrids.  or at least a few.




Very few are.  This tech still works for those anyways.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24190495 - 03/24/17 11:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks, i didn't find hardly anything on agaricus either so i felt it was ok to hop in here, fully knowing no one may even notice. I respect the forum by using the search box constantly, i'm sure that will always be enough.

My last question for this thread is, as far as homegrown (better tasting, bigger fruits) big brown portabellos / similar agaricus, which SURELY is a popular homegrow -    what do cultivators tend to start with (spore / lc / store bought fruit) and how they they cultivate huge tasty portabellos??

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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: drake89]
    #24190502 - 03/24/17 11:17 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I've read that. i've read that cell division has happened so many times by the point we purchase at store that it would be a fruitless labor.

however I bet that varies on brand, organic vs non, and all the kinds of "tiers of quality" nowadays.

Personally i don't want to spend that long trying to find something viable.

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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: lipa]
    #24190507 - 03/24/17 11:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for your input. You seem confident and its something i haven't read so maybe many haven't tried.

Have you successfully done this?

I'm not really that picky, i just want to grow large, better tasting portabellos at home, what is the best method to start with (spore, syringe/ lc/ whatever) and the best method to cultivate (pf tek, outside grou, wood?)

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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #24191585 - 03/25/17 11:27 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Button mushrooms are secondary composters, and are grown mostly on horse manure. That and the fact that they are widely sold are probably the reasons they aren't grown here a lot I guess lol.

I think the best way to start it from grain spawn, but for outside grown spores might be better. Don't have any experience with which I can help you. Maybe there is a way to get fewer pins, else you can trim and eat some smaller mushrooms to make space for a few to grow huge without hitting each other.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: DutchMyco]
    #24191620 - 03/25/17 11:49 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

That was my initial intention, to harvest 1/2 or so as the store variety button mushrooms and leave the rest of the nutrients to go for some Guinness Records glory (in my own head of course). Again, this was mostly for the magic of showing myself and friends that not only we can do this at home easily, but also what those white buttons can grow into if allowed to mature.

It is rare to see this level of agreement in everyone (bisporus not being worth it) - on anything on the internet really - so i'll heed the advice and Im taking these lessons from it :

It's fairly neutral flavor profile (everyone will like it) and ease to cultivate makes it the mass production favorite (possibly even down to details like fruiting temps that are cheaper to maintain with cost of utilites).  But anyone growing at home bypasses this and goes for shiitakes or oysters, and then from there.

I think I get it. I just really wanted my own supply of humungous 6" caps to stuff or use as buns or maybe throw on someones face like an Alien facehugger, the possibilities are endless.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #24191656 - 03/25/17 12:01 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

might be pretty easy to "grow" but I suppose the difficult part is getting the right substrate.  proper agaricus compost making is probably as difficult as the rest of the whole growing cycle.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: drake89]
    #24192081 - 03/25/17 02:09 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Cultivate some SRA and get some huge caps :thumbup:

The Agaricus industry also has another advantage- old money. It's an incredibly old industry so they were able to build massive structures and systems for every step of growth. We're talking 100's of meters with airplane hanger doors and huge loading systems and generations of substrate secrets and Walmart style distribution systems that make growing Agaricus absolutely not worth it- from an economic perspective. If you just want to have some fun go for it- but if you are trying to make a profit don't hold your breath.


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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24192269 - 03/25/17 03:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

wow, SRA grow up to 6" caps as well! I hadn't read much on them, thanks! I'm guessing to innoc with a LC is the way to go with all edibles (not from spores)?

No, not concerned much with profit at all, i have the newbie excitement about some things right now that i know i won't have later - right now i am basking in all of this knowledge and seeing where it all leads, ultimately i'll have a slow rotation of maybe 3 strains in an easy rotation.

I just cut my oak logs for an outdoor shiitake grow (will innoc in 2 weeks, colonized by christmas or so) and those logs should last a few years, plus keeping perhaps an oyster or, now that i'm aware, a king stropharia culture rotation going, one jar fruiting while one or two colonizing at all times. Easy to keep up with. Enough to cook mushroom-everything if i so desired. Quesadillas. Thick cap-mushroomsteaks topped with peppers and onions. Deep fried mushroom cheese and pepper empanadas. Dried mushroom powder by the pound to add to stocks/broths. *drooooooooool*


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