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Humble Newcomer
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: TravelAgency]
#24186460 - 03/23/17 03:25 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice and the link. When i revived this thread with "thread necormancy" i didn't know enough about the subject matter to properly search for what i wanted to find.
I'm also glad a mod didn't come in here and chew me out for reviving this thread, but i felt i had no choice; I have seen people chewed out by moody mods for starting a new thread asking questions that are answered elsewhere (which i couldn't find without more experience). So in my new-to-mycology ignorance i was doomed either way.
I took some pictures and i'm now going to stumble through making a new thread with my intentions and questions (New Shiitake Log Grow). Thanks!
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: RandomFX]
#24186573 - 03/23/17 03:57 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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RandomFX said: buy one from a store. tear it open and harvest a sample to grow out. Many of us do not bother because they are so grown out commercially. but ya it is that easy really.
The trick is to cut a small piece of gill tissue, wash it a few times in sterile water and then plate it. Don't clone the mushroom from fruit body tissue. You will likely come up with something pretty close to the original fruitbody. I have done this a few times with Agaricus blazei and works quite well.
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: lipa]
#24186619 - 03/23/17 04:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Honestly as much as we don't tend to like reviving old threads, sometimes there are some things that aren't talked about as much at this point in time- hardly see anything on Agaricus So you're fine. Though what so like to do is start a new thread and link to the old one for discussion.
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: lipa]
#24187136 - 03/23/17 07:43 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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lipa said:
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RandomFX said: buy one from a store. tear it open and harvest a sample to grow out. Many of us do not bother because they are so grown out commercially. but ya it is that easy really.
The trick is to cut a small piece of gill tissue, wash it a few times in sterile water and then plate it. Don't clone the mushroom from fruit body tissue. You will likely come up with something pretty close to the original fruitbody. I have done this a few times with Agaricus blazei and works quite well.
mmmm but a lot of commercial strains are sterile hybrids. or at least a few.
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: drake89]
#24187240 - 03/23/17 08:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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drake89 said:
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lipa said:
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RandomFX said: buy one from a store. tear it open and harvest a sample to grow out. Many of us do not bother because they are so grown out commercially. but ya it is that easy really.
The trick is to cut a small piece of gill tissue, wash it a few times in sterile water and then plate it. Don't clone the mushroom from fruit body tissue. You will likely come up with something pretty close to the original fruitbody. I have done this a few times with Agaricus blazei and works quite well.
mmmm but a lot of commercial strains are sterile hybrids. or at least a few.
Very few are. This tech still works for those anyways.
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Humble Newcomer
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: TravelAgency]
#24190495 - 03/24/17 11:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks, i didn't find hardly anything on agaricus either so i felt it was ok to hop in here, fully knowing no one may even notice. I respect the forum by using the search box constantly, i'm sure that will always be enough.
My last question for this thread is, as far as homegrown (better tasting, bigger fruits) big brown portabellos / similar agaricus, which SURELY is a popular homegrow - what do cultivators tend to start with (spore / lc / store bought fruit) and how they they cultivate huge tasty portabellos??
Thank you.
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: drake89]
#24190502 - 03/24/17 11:17 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've read that. i've read that cell division has happened so many times by the point we purchase at store that it would be a fruitless labor.
however I bet that varies on brand, organic vs non, and all the kinds of "tiers of quality" nowadays.
Personally i don't want to spend that long trying to find something viable.
edited - clarity.
Edited by Humble Newcomer (03/24/17 11:17 PM)
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: lipa]
#24190507 - 03/24/17 11:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks for your input. You seem confident and its something i haven't read so maybe many haven't tried.
Have you successfully done this?
I'm not really that picky, i just want to grow large, better tasting portabellos at home, what is the best method to start with (spore, syringe/ lc/ whatever) and the best method to cultivate (pf tek, outside grou, wood?)
Thanks.
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: Humble Newcomer]
#24191585 - 03/25/17 11:27 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Button mushrooms are secondary composters, and are grown mostly on horse manure. That and the fact that they are widely sold are probably the reasons they aren't grown here a lot I guess lol.
I think the best way to start it from grain spawn, but for outside grown spores might be better. Don't have any experience with which I can help you. Maybe there is a way to get fewer pins, else you can trim and eat some smaller mushrooms to make space for a few to grow huge without hitting each other.
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: DutchMyco]
#24191620 - 03/25/17 11:49 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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That was my initial intention, to harvest 1/2 or so as the store variety button mushrooms and leave the rest of the nutrients to go for some Guinness Records glory (in my own head of course). Again, this was mostly for the magic of showing myself and friends that not only we can do this at home easily, but also what those white buttons can grow into if allowed to mature.
It is rare to see this level of agreement in everyone (bisporus not being worth it) - on anything on the internet really - so i'll heed the advice and Im taking these lessons from it :
It's fairly neutral flavor profile (everyone will like it) and ease to cultivate makes it the mass production favorite (possibly even down to details like fruiting temps that are cheaper to maintain with cost of utilites). But anyone growing at home bypasses this and goes for shiitakes or oysters, and then from there.
I think I get it. I just really wanted my own supply of humungous 6" caps to stuff or use as buns or maybe throw on someones face like an Alien facehugger, the possibilities are endless.
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: Humble Newcomer]
#24191656 - 03/25/17 12:01 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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might be pretty easy to "grow" but I suppose the difficult part is getting the right substrate. proper agaricus compost making is probably as difficult as the rest of the whole growing cycle.
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: drake89]
#24192081 - 03/25/17 02:09 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cultivate some SRA and get some huge caps 
The Agaricus industry also has another advantage- old money. It's an incredibly old industry so they were able to build massive structures and systems for every step of growth. We're talking 100's of meters with airplane hanger doors and huge loading systems and generations of substrate secrets and Walmart style distribution systems that make growing Agaricus absolutely not worth it- from an economic perspective. If you just want to have some fun go for it- but if you are trying to make a profit don't hold your breath.
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Re: Found some old pictures of home cultivated Agaricus bisporus [Re: TravelAgency]
#24192269 - 03/25/17 03:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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wow, SRA grow up to 6" caps as well! I hadn't read much on them, thanks! I'm guessing to innoc with a LC is the way to go with all edibles (not from spores)?
No, not concerned much with profit at all, i have the newbie excitement about some things right now that i know i won't have later - right now i am basking in all of this knowledge and seeing where it all leads, ultimately i'll have a slow rotation of maybe 3 strains in an easy rotation.
I just cut my oak logs for an outdoor shiitake grow (will innoc in 2 weeks, colonized by christmas or so) and those logs should last a few years, plus keeping perhaps an oyster or, now that i'm aware, a king stropharia culture rotation going, one jar fruiting while one or two colonizing at all times. Easy to keep up with. Enough to cook mushroom-everything if i so desired. Quesadillas. Thick cap-mushroomsteaks topped with peppers and onions. Deep fried mushroom cheese and pepper empanadas. Dried mushroom powder by the pound to add to stocks/broths. *drooooooooool*
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