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OfflineGliders
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Re: The Shadow People [Re: TheDude]
    #5284823 - 02/10/06 07:36 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have. In fact, that's another common association with them. In my case I was in the middle of dreaming when I became paralyzed and terrified for no reason. Suddenly on the ceiling I could see a large shadow, shaped like an ironing board. The harder I tried to move, the more paralyzed I was. Finally I was able to move a little finger, and I woke up. It was a horrible experience.

As for having OBE's during sleep paralysis, I've never been able to do that either. Tried, though!


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: wrestler_az]
    #5284828 - 02/10/06 07:39 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

And here we go again, wrestler.... I JUST finished reading a random forum in which people were discussing the link between the Shadow People and meth use! Apparently many users experience this (although I'm not a user of meth myself). One person even wondered whether chemicals have allies just as plants do, but with chemical allies being dark and evil. Interesting, huh?

One guy said he used to hold entire converesations with Shadows on meth. What was your experience like?


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: Gliders]
    #5285107 - 02/10/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

These "shadow people" that you talk about are seen by a lot of ppl that go long periods without sleep, due to what ever reason. Mostly the use of meth or speed. They are as simple as dillusions (evil hallucinations). Seems like you guys have different experiences with these things though.


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: pipeDream]
    #5285375 - 02/10/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I have also encountered them during sleep paralysis/night terrors.

When I have seen them during the night terror, they are usually accompanied by moving/shaking bed and/or a terrible sense of darkness. The darkness is difficult to describe. Once I woke up in my room and the only light was from a small florescent tube over my sink, but the ballast had gone bad and the light was incredibly faint. I could see, but I almost couldn't; that is like the darkness in a night terror. One of my ex-girlfriends talked about having dreams where "everything had a dark outline".

Since I have learned to pray while dreaming, the night terrors have become rare, and when they do occur, I recover from them quickly. It helps to have a mantra. I was given one by a priest several years ago; it is very powerful. If anybody wants to know it PM me and I will share it with you.


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: Gliders]
    #5289489 - 02/11/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well, most of my encounters with them were pretty brief. mostly just seeing them fly by out of the corner of my eye, or circling around over me as i lay in my bed trying to sleep. never really gave them much thought past sleep dep hallucinations, still dont....although this is quite an interesting thread.


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: wrestler_az]
    #5323105 - 02/21/06 06:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fear often accompanies a feeling in the stomach and maybe some strain against it. Often the fear was actually caused through physiological conditions.

Yes, one must first ask, what is the purpose of these visions and do they acheive anything?

Warm Tea.

Maybe a shadow person is a momentary flicker of personal unawareness anthropomorphised into a recognizable form. What else is death to the living but unawareness. So maybe you are afraid of death. Most people are. It's better to see your fears and deal with them then to hide from them and let them drive you.

Castaneda purported that the very nature of life was very ferocious always bombarding one with energy that tried to get into the stomach area, and all people had natural resistance until they started to get sick or die. But I would take it with a grain of garam masala.

Just watch out lest by looking into the abyss....


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: eve69]
    #5323357 - 02/21/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Could it be simply a manifestation of Jung's shadow archetype? All that shit we don't want to look at, the parts of ourselves we try to ignore or hide from suddenly made visible.

I think we are being confronted with our shadows on an individual and collective level at this time.


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: Revelation]
    #5325661 - 02/21/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I had that same thought, Revelation, but I'm disinclined to believe that's true. If it's the case, it was just a little to "real" seeming. I couldn't be wrong.


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5327222 - 02/22/06 06:21 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Here's the thing, a human or other worldly being can't make you feel fear if you stay centered in unconditional eternal love to blocking out of all else. Neither can drain you of energy in that state of being either.




This is very true, and I had not read this report about shadow work until now. It resonates deep...

While in sleep paralysis I have seen shadows and similar and uniformly terrifying apparitions. They evoke primordial fear. It took me a few times to learn that the only way out of this was to RELAX, go into myself, and focus on the heart. I have not let sleep paralysis bother me since and I still get it every now and then. A visualization I use is to imagine myself lying on a beach, eyes closed, and feeling the sun on my face. It always works.

All this reminds me of that quote from Jacob's Ladder:

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The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and... and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.




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Re: The Shadow People [Re: Revelation] * 1
    #12363628 - 04/09/10 06:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

bump for relevance.

my friend says she saw a shadowy figure a few years ago... it was about as tall as two people, had smoky outlines and glowing red eyes. it paralyzed her, she looked into the eyes and felt an evil presence and panic. she hasn't been able to sleep in the dark and always leaves the lights on and avoids going out at night. sometimes she feels the presence but doesn't see it.

i've heard a lot about the Hat Man too, anyone got similar stories?


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #12363720 - 04/09/10 06:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: The Shadow People [Re: deCypher]
    #12363768 - 04/09/10 06:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I've seen the shadow people a few times after tweaking for 4-5 days, it's weird how the hallucinations act


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: Moronicus]
    #12366904 - 04/10/10 11:31 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I did not make the connection before, but when I read the OP's post, I was immediately reminded of an experience I had when I was 3 or 4 late at night when I was woken up from a dream. I looked out across the room and saw what I perceived as a bald female shadow person. "She" was making gestures and movements as if she was talking to someone. This was an experience that made such an impact that I remember it to this day. I do remember having a few more experiences with the so-called shadow people, but this one was the longest (perhaps lasting up to a half a minute until I closed me eyes and refused to open them) and most memorable.

Are these "real" entities? I do not know but the experience they leave is certainly one that resonates negatively.


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: Aeneas]
    #12372885 - 04/11/10 01:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I had 2 certain encounters with shadow entities when I was 15 and 16, well before I started using psychedelics (so it wasn't any kind of flashback or HPPD or whatever), and two more recent encounters I am unsure of (because they were far in my peripheral vision and only lasted a split second), one of which was in my own home.

The first two encounters were both in a building where later, after my encounters, I was told by a middle aged woman I know that she and her husband saw/felt a ghost one night before many years, which pretty much just confirmed to me that what I saw was genuine because before I was told about the ghost encounter in the same building, on the same floor, I was dismissing what I saw for some kind of mind trick or whatever.

It was my first encounter with the world "beyond" readily observable reality, and sure enough very soon I started getting my first sleep paralysis experiences that lasted for more than a year until I learned to prevent them.

Anyway, both of my two certain encounters were a hat man, completely black (no "eyes") and with rather clearly defined edges. Both times I had it in plain sight for half a second and then it moved out of sight VERY quickly, like a spasm, practically disappeared, it was like I had "startled" it when I noticed it, and I would later notice it in my peripheral vision as if it was lurking.

I also felt presences during sleep paralysis, both in the form of noise that was "alive" (this may or may not be related to the noise most will hear during OBE's) and twice during long SP sessions in the form of a physical presence in my room even though it couldn't see it. And even if I couldn't see it, I *knew* what it looked like, I could "see" it even though I couldn't see it, also completely black, though the SP presence was DIFFERENT from the shadow entities. While the entities were "shadows" in the true sense of the word, the SP presence felt like it was made of a dense black liquid or smoke, and it was clearly malevolent. Actually, the two times I felt the SP presence in this way were the most terrifying moments of my life, a raw, intense fear was being practically externally instilled into me. Shadow entities never felt malevolent, they actually felt apathetic, just silent watchers, only caring about not being noticed. I only had 2 encounters with whatever the sleep paralysis presence is and I thing that's two times more than I would have wanted. I can now prevent sleep paralysis experiences because I can sense when they are about to happen as I lie in bed.

I read a lot about shadow entities after my encounters and there is a general theory consensus that they are "non-human" entities (as in, not spirits of real people), but rather entities that are attracted to or "feed" off negative energy. Sure enough, most were reported during times of stress and emotional turmoil, and on top of that MY OWN encounters were during the hardest times in my life as well, when I was 15-16, and now a few months ago. Anyway, even if they "feed" off it they are not "bad", just might be uncomfortable or a nuisance.

I'll even go as far as to say that I believe they are maybe not actually separate entities that are attracted to negative energy, but may actually be MANIFESTATIONS of negative emotions. You see, the "red eyes" descriptions sound very silly to me, but it would make sense if they are manifestations of people's negative emotions because then they might manifest in a way that the person would imagine something negative, like a black person with a hat and red eyes.


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: ROX]
    #12373639 - 04/11/10 04:02 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Around 2006 or 2007 when I was on Ambien I would see shadow figures hiding behind trees.

Once when I was having sleep paralysis I saw such a figure that was about six feet tall and was a very deep black with large, glowing white eyes (not red eyes).  It silently laughed at me then moved next to me and held me down.  It was quite a terrifying experience.  This happened a year or two ago.

I've had several dreams that feel to be the same "entity" only in different forms.  It started as an old man with white hair and a beard wearing a top hat dressed in a black suite holding a book and a lantern coming to my door and saying that he was coming to get me.  That was the first dream like that.  I had several dreams similar, starting in 2005 or 2006.  It has gradually gotten less and less human looking and more like the "shadow person" as though that is it's true form.

The most recent dream was less than a year ago.  It was quite different from the previous ones.  This is the entry I wrote in my dream logs on Sept. 14, 2009:

"I began talking about how there were two sides to everyone.  Each decision we made was first argued about by the two sides.  My vision changed to show two men who represented these two sides each arguing by contradicting each other ‘Do this!’ ‘No, don’t!’ ‘Yes, do it!’ ‘No, don’t do it!’, etc.  I understood then that no decision could truly be made in this manner, but instead the sides must reason with each other.

Then I entered sleep paralysis.  I could feel these two parts of me.  The negative side on my right, and the positive side on my left.  The negative side was a glowing black, and the positive side a glowing white.  I was then shown an example of how they interact with each other.  I was given a desire to close the door on my closet, but I was too lazy and also had a desire to stay in bed.  After arguing for a while, my negative side finally said “okay, I’ll do it”.  That side got up, and I could see it move to the closet and back, but I looked and the closet was still open; I realized that it had lied, and I could feel a deep evil and new understanding of this side of me, it was full of deception.  For the moment that this side was out of me I was left with only the positive side I could feel a peace with myself but a deep fear was also present because I realized what this other side really was.  It was the darkest of all darks, and it wanted the reverse of all that the other side of me wanted.
Then I felt myself being overtaken by this negative side.  I was filled with fear and I could feel my existence fading away.  I felt as though I was dying.  I reached an entirely new level of sleep paralysis which I perhaps have only reached once before, if even then.  I screamed and then I yelled out “I love you Jesus, I love you God, please help me!” over and over until I felt no more fear, and I began to feel peace replacing the fear; then I woke up."

I'm not sure where the Jesus/God thing came from as I haven't been Christian since I was ten years old... but yeah.

And as for what the "shadow people" are... well isn't it obvious?  They are Choronzon.


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: oliverfrank22]
    #12373807 - 04/11/10 04:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

wow... rox & of22, thats a lot of detail. thanks for sharing this.

i've recently read about these beings and am still undecided what they actually are but i'm declined to think they are separate entities from another "wavelength" or dimension. i've also heard it being related to the UFO phenomenon. the people i know who have seen them were going through a tough period in their lives but they saw these things while wide awake.

a woman i am friends with is from a line of female healers or "witches". she saw these creatures when she was small and talked to her grandmother about it. she was a known "sensitive" in her community and told her the shadow creatures are forms of collected negative energy and are sent by people who feel envious or angry towards you. some sort of immense negative energy is needed and an egregor or tulpa is created. then the creatures become autonomous and haunt the target person draining them of energy.

her grandmother taught her some prayers to god and said you don't need to be christian or to believe in their god but you really have to mean the prayer itself. visualization also is supposed to help.


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: Gliders]
    #12374526 - 04/11/10 09:20 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The shadow of self can be a fearful thing.

In my experience they've always been observers.


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: TheWolf]
    #12374660 - 04/11/10 09:41 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I see the shadow people whenever I stay up a few days.  They're pretty friendly so long as you treat them nicely.

totally not joking BTW


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: TheWolf]
    #12376537 - 04/12/10 06:55 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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In my experience they've always been observers.




Yep, agreed. From my experience and research they aren't malevolent. They're just "there".


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Re: The Shadow People [Re: ROX]
    #12377106 - 04/12/10 09:45 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The unknown can provoke feelings of fear.
I've never seen them "act out" in any way other than showing their presence, if that can be considered as such.


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