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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: the_psychonaut]
    #5257030 - 02/02/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i think it can be considered a gateway drug, like for me i was just hanging out with my brothers friends one day and they were smoking weed, they all seemed to be having fun, and i knew they have been smoking for awhile and they're normal people. so when the joint was offered, i accepted, and since i didn't fall over dead i was like: hmmm, maybe i should read up a bit on this. so i learned until i thought i had a half decent knowledge, and i decided that getting high was not as bad as it's made out to be. that made a little click in my mind so i read up on shrooms and stumbled across salvia, studied both of em a bit, and then decided to try em. so for me it was a gateway drug.

my order of drug use:
weed->drink->salvia->shrooms


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: gotcha420haha]
    #5257049 - 02/02/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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gotcha420haha said:
but people dont just wake up and say "i think ill try some speed today", with no drug backround.



i dunno dude...... when i was younger i always said if i'd do any drug it would be speed, because i was into the whole adrenaline rush, roller coasters type thing.

i changed my mind.


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: leery11]
    #5257208 - 02/02/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think cigs and alcohol is more of a gateway drug then weed is I've seen kids start smoking cigs in the 6th grade.


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: Jackattack]
    #5257373 - 02/02/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

My thoughts on the subject are that Yes marijuana is a gateway drug but only because it is illegal. See if little Johnny wants some weed he needs to go to a drug dealer who probably is also pushing meth and other shit hence he is connected. That's why marijuana is a gateway drug pure and simple. Prohibition is not the answer.

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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: shamanamba]
    #5257475 - 02/02/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Meh I think the first thing you try and enjoy is usually a gateway drug. Weed just has all the bad rep because it's the first thing most people try. For me alcohol led to weed and weed led to everything else, so meh. If it weren't for alcohol I wouldn't have even considered trying weed, so meh...each to their own.


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: WillieTomg]
    #5257817 - 02/02/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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WillieTomg said:
Quote:

DieCommie said:
I think its a gateway drug in this regard:

Pot is illegal
Kid trys pot, relizes its not so bad
Conclusion: All illegal drugs arnt so bad.

Its pot's legal status that makes it a gateway drug.  People who sell one illegal drug often sell another, and the buyers get exposed to that.  If pot was in the supermarket next to the booze, it wouldnt get associated with crack, heroin, and speed.




^^^

Quoted for truth. :thumbup:  I was a militant sXe kid until I went through some hard shit and realized that maybe I should experience a bit more of life before writing it off completely.  I smoked a joint, and loved the hell out of it.  A few months later a friend brought 1.5g of mushrooms over to my place... yadda yadda yadda... and now I grow mushrooms, trip acid, and love it all.

And I've never tried coke/speed/meth (seen too many people burn out on them for my comfort) although I have dabbled in opiates.  I had to swear those off though, since it was too easy for me to just rail a percocet and forget about all my problems for a bit. 

So weed might be a gateway drug in the sense that it usually provides a solid positive experience upon which one can base a healthy regimen of controlled substance use.  It isn't a gateway drug in the sense that if you smoke pot, you'll want to shoot heroin after a while in order to get a stronger high.




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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #5257931 - 02/03/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

gotcha420haha, you know pot is addictive right?


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: new_to_shrooms]
    #5257962 - 02/03/06 12:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

fuck no man, marijuana is not a gatway drug. but maybee i guess to some people, actually most people, they just start there exploration with weed.


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: tripstr]
    #5257983 - 02/03/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

lol, you kinda contradicted yourself. its cool your fuckin blazed


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: new_to_shrooms]
    #5258198 - 02/03/06 02:58 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

calling pot a gateway to other drugs is like calling church a gateway to religion. if you lived under a rock all of your life and did'nt know anything about drugs, religion, god, or getting high, then curiosity is going to lead you somewhere when you're exposed to them. wether you take jesus as your personal savior, or dont buy organized religion at all, or wether you decide to, or not to smoke pot; its all up to you. nobody has the right to say pot led anyone anywhere because people lead themselves to pot in exactly the same way they are "led" to the god of their beleif. Hell, sometimes drugs lead people to God! :royalrainbow:All i was really trying to say is that the label "gateway drug" was created by the head and founder of an organization designed to protect large corporations from the theat that would have been posed by pot if it stayed on the free market.


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: new_to_shrooms]
    #5258201 - 02/03/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

My gateway drug was 2-CE. It was the first drug I had ever tried (yes, including alcohol). I had always been interested in trying mushrooms throughout highschool.
Tool was my favorite band throughout those years and everything they talked about lead to shrooming/psychedelics.
I planned to do shrooms and was supposed to get them one night. However, my friend was unable to get them and was sold a pill that was said to be "mescaline/petyote in a pill".
I tried it. I was terrified, I was in love, I was everywhere. It was the most mind blowing experience of my life.

I realized illegal drugs might not be so bad for you. I began to try other drugs, and eventually finding my way to my beloved mushroom. Within 4 months, I was smoking pot, drinking alcohol, and doing other psychedelics. Now, I love drugs and I am extremely intrigued by them.

Pot is no more a gateway drug than anything else. It is, however, the drug that most teenagers are likely to use and have a positive experience with. Even if they don't have a positive experience, as long as they dont have a negative experience, theyll realize illegal drugs are not so bad.

If the government really wants to stop that effect, STOP CALLING POT A DRUG. They do it with alcohol and its fairly effective. Do it with pot and when people stop thinking its a drug, they wont associate it with meth, heroine, coke, psychedelics, etc.


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: shamanamba]
    #5258333 - 02/03/06 05:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cannabis most certainly can be a gateway drug.

Consider it like this: you go through sober life, minding your own business, when suddenly you take a drug and get high.

You think: "WOW! What IS this thing called high! I want to explore this, it's as rad as skating, and damn it feels good! I want to explore this!"

Then, whatever drug it was, it has become your gateway drug.
Marijuana certainly is interesting enough to do that.

Ether was my gateway drug, it was exactly 20 years ago when I was 13, and I had researched general anesthesia in the local library before I embarked on measured doses in a standard procedure of huffing.
I still have the cloth and the fond memories, and am contemplating to come back to ether, one more time, in this jubilee year of my psychoactive experimenting.
Not because it's so great, but for Old Time's Sake.


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: Asante]
    #5258457 - 02/03/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Once again a standard case of blaming something for a personal choice and responsibility. Other why's known as a scape goat. Its my personal beleif that the government doesn't like to admit that the drug problems in the country are not going away, and that the harder they try to combat cannabis and "harder" substances, the harder people try to get there hands on these items. People clearly like to use drugs. So an easier solution than saying "Well I guess alot of people just really like these things and will keep doing them no matter what we do." is to say "These people were led to harder drugs by pot!"- and sadly alot of people still beleive this. Its all personal choice. A drug such as cannabis, CANNOT whisper into your ear and encourage you to use other drugs. This is a personal choice that comes from experience and observation, for example: Kid smokes some pot, finds out it didnt give him brain damage or turn him into a schitzophrenic killer. Begins to realize that not everything hes told is true, perhaps this could apply to that MDMA or Shrooms his dealer once offered. Ta-Da kid moves on to something "harder" not by in influence from some plant, but because of the realization that drug use and its seriousness is completely subjective and a matter of personal choice.


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: Irdamage]
    #5259141 - 02/03/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

In Netherlands where pot is sort of legal the rate of adolescent heroine use is 11(!) times lower than in US where pot is banned (UNESCO 2002(?) Crime Map).

Makes pot drugs firewall rather than a gateway, I guess.


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Re: The not so age old debate : Gateway drug or not? [Re: shneck]
    #5260023 - 02/03/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

We Dutch use less of ALL drugs than in the US.

I can top that!

We in holland are half as likely to smoke weed than americans are.
Thats right! Now investigate for yourself if this is true!

Surely a country with pot sold in coffeeshops legally, wouldn't have less pot use than a country with heavy criminalisation?

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