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shymanta
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Bush is a Terrorist
#5253949 - 02/02/06 01:54 AM (18 years, 2 hours ago) |
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President George W. Bush is a Terrorist.
The reason I say this is because most of his rhetoric is geared toward frightening the American people into agreeing with his policies.
That's Terrorism!
Comments?
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daimyo
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5254410 - 02/02/06 09:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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shymanta said: President George W. Bush is a Terrorist.
The reason I say this is because most of his rhetoric is geared toward frightening the American people into agreeing with his policies.
He's just playing to his audience, something you learn in 5th grade English class. If the people are uneducated and respond positively to such rhetoric, why not use it?
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shymanta said: That's Terrorism!
Terrorism: the unlawful use of, or threatened use of, force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives.
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shymanta said: Comments?
Shrub isn't a terrorist...well, at least not for the reason you stated.
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shymanta
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: daimyo]
#5255431 - 02/02/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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My simple definition of terrorism is to incite terror. By that definition he is. Hey, if they can have broad and far reaching definitions of what a terrorist is, so can I.
Besides, I maintain that our government was behind the 9/11 attacks. There is too much evidence to back that up and not enough to say otherwise. Now that fits the above definition of terrorism.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5255455 - 02/02/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well my definition of a terrorist is someone who gets off on blowing up women and children, and sacrificing infidels to their god.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5255618 - 02/02/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank goodness for the ability to make up our own definitions, willy-nilly.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: Redstorm]
#5255661 - 02/02/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Thank goodness for the ability to make up our own definitions, willy-nilly.
Its what makes the internet great.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5255664 - 02/02/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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shymanta said:
The reason I say this is because most of his rhetoric is geared toward frightening the American people into agreeing with his policies.
Comments?
No different than other politician.
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daimyo
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5255929 - 02/02/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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shymanta said: My simple definition of terrorism is to incite terror.
Well then you are a terrorist. Going around telling people the president caused 9/11 is sure to terrify.
Fuck, people that make scary movies are terrorists. Roller coaster designers are terrorists. Halloween is full of terrorists. I'm not too sure I like your definition.
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shymanta said: Besides, I maintain that our government was behind the 9/11 attacks. There is too much evidence to back that up
Lay it on us.
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shymanta said: Now that fits the above definition of terrorism.
Just as soon as you prove it.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: daimyo]
#5256054 - 02/02/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: sever]
#5256121 - 02/02/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Who cares. "Terrorist?" It's only a word. It's what he does + how you respond to it that makes a difference.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: sever]
#5256150 - 02/02/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I thought it was clever too. Without hindsight, the ability to examine your past there is no wisdom.
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shymanta
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: daimyo]
#5258459 - 02/03/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Take a look at this video. Its an hour long and worth your time. I won't say it will prove Bush was behind it, but it certainly was not just a few guys hijacking plains. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194
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Well then you are a terrorist. Going around telling people the president caused 9/11 is sure to terrify.
Fuck, people that make scary movies are terrorists. Roller coaster designers are terrorists. Halloween is full of terrorists. I'm not too sure I like your definition.
I don't like it either. But the fact of the matter is that Bush is gathering more and more power to call whom ever he wishes a terrorist, then strip them of their rights. Wear a shirt that states how many have dies in Iraq and you're arrested. Speak out against them and you're a terrorist.
How long before they have the legal power to enslave us. This regime is headed toward a scary end.
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shymanta
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: lysergicide]
#5258470 - 02/03/06 08:19 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Terrorist is just a word. But its a powerful one. It gave the president emergency powers. It scared the American public to death. Scared them enough to allow the PATRIOT Act to pass, and remain in effect after its original term has passed.
If we the people become tired of the shit they lay on us and rise up in Revolution (perhaps even peaceful Revolution), we will be labeled "terrorists". To fight for freedom will be called terrorist activity. Mark my word.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5258479 - 02/03/06 08:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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> That's Terrorism!
I really dislike to see people dumb down the meaning of terrorism. Anybody that has been a victim of real terrorism knows what it is and what it is not. I'm not speaking of just this post, but the way the word has been diluted through overuse by the media, press, government, etc.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5258506 - 02/03/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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shymanta
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: Seuss]
#5258512 - 02/03/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's precisely what I'm talking about. People throw this word around, just the way I threw it around. Look what happened. People got upset. "Iraq is a haven for terrorists!" Public reacts: "Then, let's get bomb the hell out of them!!"
Iraq is a haven for oil. Oil we get to pay triple the price for (Twice the dollars and the lives lost for the privilege). We've been manipulated. Now, let's sit back and take it like good little Americans boys and girls.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: Seuss]
#5258609 - 02/03/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anybody that has been a victim of real terrorism knows what it is and what it is not
What do you think terrorism is?
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5259351 - 02/03/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wear a shirt that states how many have dies in Iraq and you're arrested. Speak out against them and you're a terrorist.
I don't believe she was arrested. Not only that, but she was not following the rules set in stone for the State of the Union address. There was actually another woman who was detained and then escorted out of the speech for wearing a pro-war t-shirt. It didn't have to do with the fact that she was wearing an anti-war shirt; it was that she was wearing a badge of partisanship in a place where it is not allowed.
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shymanta
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5260272 - 02/03/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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shymanta
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: Redstorm]
#5260288 - 02/03/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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According to my local news, (which may have been wrong), there were two women. One wore a pro war shirt, she was escorted out; the other wore an antiwar shirt, she was arrested and detained.
Peace (unless there's money to be made)
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5260385 - 02/03/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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'Terrorist' is such a used and abused word. What does it even really mean? Who does it refer to? Hell, the way things are going, its seeming as if soon anything can be labelled a terrorist. So much for using words effectively....
I mean, you could say that if a man's penis were self-aware, in a sense that we are bodies with two minds: one in the skull and one in the penis, then a man's penis could be legitimately labelled as a terrorist. Seriously.
Who are we kidding here? Nobody but ourselves. Lets drop the rhetoric; drop the loaded language, and look at these matters from an objective stand-point. Sure, you can say, in a satiric manner, that "Bush is a terrorist," but there are too many uptight people who will get all flustered about such statements.
Stick to a neutral, objective language for speaking of such events, and you can achieve the view of truth you are looking for. Think of Aristotle: being virtuous is following the golden mean; sticking to the middle. Sure this can be considered a stretch in interpretation, but not really, think about it. Or, if you are a Buddha fan, think of his middle path, and his analogy of the stringed instrument. Basically, neutrality and objectivity are the guides to enlightenment and truth.
Of course, maybe you don't want such things, and all you really desire is to support your side of the argument; to support your force and will to power. That's cool, if so, but you should really be honest about it, instead of trying to manipulate the people to support your side of the argument with propaganda and irrational techniques of persuasion. It creates anger, and, for all intensive purposes, represents an evil in authority that most people will learn to hate. Hate is not a good thing. Think of the dark path which it leads down.
Take a Yodanian approach to the big picture of this contemporary, global environment: Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate... hate leads to suffering. What stage are we at? Fear, anger, or hate? What stage are others at?
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: Darcho]
#5260632 - 02/03/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Darcho, I like your reply. It speaks with intelligence and reserve. I should like to hear more of your thoughts.
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Darcho said: Of course, maybe you don't want such things, and all you really desire is to support your side of the argument; to support your force and will to power. That's cool, if so, but you should really be honest about it, instead of trying to manipulate the people to support your side of the argument with propaganda and irrational techniques of persuasion.
Am I really perceived this way?
I must sound a raving loon. That's the problem with a keyboard, it shows no emotion, no facial expression. You must fill that part in (correctly assumed or not).
Its funny though, when I post something I would really like to talk about; share ideas and theories, no one replies. When I post something that get people's panties in a wad, replies aplenty. This serves to make another point. Humans can't live peacefully, we need drama and conflict. Otherwise we might die of boredom.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5260728 - 02/03/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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shymanta said: This serves to make another point. Humans can't live peacefully, we need drama and conflict. Otherwise we might die of boredom.
Not me. I thrive on a strict no drama diet. Everyone at work seems to rellish in the office drama and even when we are off somewhere drinking they start to talk about it. That's usually my cue to go home.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: Ekstaza]
#5261306 - 02/03/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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We need more like you, Ekstaza.
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Re: Bush is a Terrorist [Re: shymanta]
#5261335 - 02/04/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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shymanta said:
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Darcho said: Of course, maybe you don't want such things, and all you really desire is to support your side of the argument; to support your force and will to power. That's cool, if so, but you should really be honest about it, instead of trying to manipulate the people to support your side of the argument with propaganda and irrational techniques of persuasion.
Am I really perceived this way?
That is something you can only ask yourself. Who am I to know what it is that you perceive? I do not have this capability, but if I did, then you could refer to me as "telepathic".
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I must sound a raving loon. That's the problem with a keyboard, it shows no emotion, no facial expression. You must fill that part in (correctly assumed or not).
Its funny though, when I post something I would really like to talk about; share ideas and theories, no one replies. When I post something that get people's panties in a wad, replies aplenty. This serves to make another point. Humans can't live peacefully, we need drama and conflict. Otherwise we might die of boredom.
That is because the current situation as it is right now is volatile; it is sketchy. Theory works best when it is put to practice. What matters most for practice; for behaviour, is what we most immediately need in order to survive (or at least it should be). If we fail to analyze the situation you bring up properly, then we never reach the truth of the matter. What I mean by "analyze properly" was stated in my previous post, but to remind you: "Having a neutral stance; a neutral point of view, not taking either side of an argument; being objective."
The pursuit of truth is a virtuous task (or so I have heard it said), and that is because virtue is the practice of wisdom. Wisdom is attained/obtained in light of truth. Truth is obtained in light of enlightened being. This is the middle path.
If the string is too loose, it will not play properly. If the string is too tight, then it will snap when it is plucked. The string must be in between; a synthesis of the two, in order to function properly; so it can play. As long as we have play we will avoid boredom, and the pursuit of play can be stifled by boredom: an indecisiveness in regards to which game one should play; which goal we should proceed to achieve (or attempt to achieve, depending on your will). We need to play the right games. Games that involve the drama and conflict you mention. But why does conflict have to be deadly, lethal, brutal, etc... in a non-virtual sense? We can still have these nice things of fighting, ownage, destruction, chaos, death, etc..., but have them in a virtual domain, where death is not real, and consciousness and identity of self are maintained?
The topic you bring up attracts attention, because it is the most drastic topic of the moment (regarding survival). I don't want to be lied to by people who are in authority and control. I don't want to live in a secured nation of fear. I don't want violence being committed in my name, seeing as how our national figure heads represent our choices and our voices. This is the attractive point of democracy: the citizens have the say. Such violence condemns us. These issues that you bring up, they should get the most attention, as they are the most important to our survival, to our evolution, and to our concept of freedom.
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