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fireworks_god
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Re: Managers [Re: geokills]
#5256943 - 02/02/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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geokills said: Now that's a mighty bit humorous. You refuse to allow yourself the pleasure of discussing the initial topic of this thread because of your perception that that initial topic has been ousted by a tangent?
In actuality, I chose to forego discussion of the topic because a moderator broke the rules by playing the classic "discuss the poster, not the ideas" card, bringing up a situation that has no place in regards to the topic at hand.
This has been an ongoing problem that has recently directly interfered with my participation within this forum. I was given to understand that such behavior would no longer be tolerated. I have found that it still is, that continued behavior by the same person exhibiting it agansit my character will not be addressed, that the moderator brought to this forum to enforce the rules that prohibit such behavior actively engages in the same behavior themself, and that the administrator that is fully aware of such behavior has not taken action to remove its presence from this thread.
I personally do not feel that I wish to continue to participate in a forum where such problems continue to flourish unabated. It is not what the intentions and purposes of this forum have been expressed to be, and it is not what I personally wish to involve myself with any further.
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gettinjiggywithit
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What makes you think myself or walrus was discussing the poster?
I was discussing the people management comparison relative to numerous and to many to name and more importantly not even neccesary to name people make and was speaking in general. Its not a crime to make the comparison ya know. People can do it. I wonder why they do and how and where they see it does. Thats all.
No harm being done here by ANYone that I can see except for you "trying" to make trouble for me and the walrus and taking Ices thread into personalisms. If you can't stay away from personalism, I'll kindly bow out of this thread with no hard feelings. It's not that big a deal. I was just curious about someones opinion on something related to people management structures and why or how some would reason such. Yeesh. 
My apologize to you Ice for replying to FW. If he brings me into this thread again, I will reply to him in PMs.

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Icelander
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Fireworks has left the building. A tremendous spirit and intellect. I am amazed at the skill of one so young. He will be missed.
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MushmanTheManic
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This country has elected leaders.
This community is lead by those who created it.
This country was orginally created by men who believed in the power of liberty. Because of this, they created a democracy which allowed them to be voted out of office. This forum could easily be a democracy too.
This country has laws to follow or else you are locked into prison.
This community has rules to follow or else you are SET FREE out into the whole of world and universe beyond it to do whatever you want to.
In other words, this forum deports you.
Now how is it that some minds have turned them into a corrupt suppressive government with lousy kiss ass mangers? How is it that some minds have turned them into a force that suppresses social information in the social forums as if its a crime?
The MGT has done something which the majority of the regular posters seem to disagree with. Then, they stated that they are "in charge" and have no obligation to give a damn about us. Typical totalitarian behavior.
Where did they ever promise to allow free speech beyond the site or forum rules?
No where. Personally, I assumed that the Mods weren't fascist fucking assholes. I'm shocked to find out they are. I imagined them to be somewhat enlightened and libertine.
How did some shroomin stoner guys out to spread the truth about psychedelic drug use and push for the legalization of it through a web-site get turned into a socialist oppressive Nazi government regime and or the Bush Administration?
By acting like an socialist oppressive Nazi government regime.
Is it fair to take those grievances and anger and project them unto the shroomery staff when they don't compare at all?
YES!!!!! Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke!
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Icelander
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You are now on the list. And that includes double secret probation. Potty mouth.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Woah what was with the flaming? I specifically asked sclorch because he keeps himself well composed.
I was looking for direct comparisons I may have missed. You didn't have any. You just commented on the differences and in your mind tied them together as being the same. At least that gave me insight into how people can come to compare them.
The U.S. does not deport people for breaking the law. It deports them for being illegal aliens. That doesn't compare to how rule breakers are managed here.
Dictators take over existing countries with an active population.
The shroomery was not a pre-existing country "web site" to be taken over. It's a web-site that had to be created out of empty virtual space.
You're to hot to handle right now mush.
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Icelander
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Hey dude are you banned without a warning? I thought that the banbot system was supposed to prevent bias bans.
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Sclorch
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gettinjiggywithit said: Sclorch, can I ask you why a handful of people tend to compare the shroomery to a country and government?
Because it's easy to do so... they all have hierarchical structures and laws.
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I don't think that's a correct or fair comparison.
Luckily your thinking falls in line with the leadership.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Managers [Re: Sclorch]
#5257636 - 02/02/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mush isn't banned, we just took the discussion into PMs.
sclorch, I was looking to see actual comparisons.
Like how mush compared the banning to deportation. You would need a comparative illegal alien qualifier. The closest this community has to an illegal alien would be someone 17 or under. No one cares if they get banned. Well, it sort sucked when def did for it. He was always mature.
Forget that question, if anyone wants to tackle it, PM me. If anyone is too heated right now, I don't want them to say something and risk a warning or ban.
I was reading Geos reply and it made me think of a management Policy TGI Fridays had which disallowed salary members from fraternizing with the hourly staff. Reason being, if they liked or hated them personally, it would cause them to make ineffective management decision in the best interest of the corporation.
makes sense.
When My husband and I ran a business, we had to be business first. We had share holders we were obligated too, our own financial well being, business reputation to uphold and the staff to work in a safe and professional environment.
We had to fire a lot of slackers and it sucked. They were always the fun guy for the staff to go party with after work and they would get pissy with us and moral would go down and the work place would be tense for a while.
Or, they would try to pull the "friends first" trump card on us and that made it hard to be business first. Had we not been, the business would've tanked hard and fast. We grew it fast instead and surpassed competitors quickly because we stuck to our professional guns and cut out the slackers and employees with bad attitudes.
Those decisions were not always popular with the staff though and moral suffered a lot at times, those most pulled it together and turned it on for at least the boat passengers-so they could make good tips.
Like Phred said, it was hard finding good professional help and people with strong work ethics in the islands. People were there to slack off and party. No matter how great a manager you are, if you don't have much to work with........ 
My heart strings were worked over a lot being a manager of people. To be frank, my husband and I hated it. We really felt like we were babysitting much of the time. I'm so glad we sold it and got out.
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there all reptiles who are born to controal the human race!!!
but yeah, i really odnt know waht it is aobut them but i do see a difference in people in a place of managment. Its like something is just 'different' about them. i think they seem kinda cold..not just because they get my in trouble if i'm not working hard enough. but yeah they creep me out *shifty eyes*
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CUBErt
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I have been thinking about this alot at my job, which is in retail. Alot of things about retail in general have started to depress me (but I will stay on topic), managers in particular. The several managers at my job just often seem so stressed/unhappy/or void of emotion. They are always pushing me to get the customers to buy warranties (technology store), even when the people aren't interested or can't afford it. The difficult thing though, is that these managers are necessary. Who else will you approach to settle an argument or appease a customer?
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gettinjiggywithit
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So anyone here who managed people in the work place so they could earn a living was a reptile out to control the human race? 
No doubt the staff thought my hubby was cold. They called him the AXE he used it so much to fire slackers. In our personal life, he has the biggest warmest heart of anyone I have met in my life.
Some people who manage people to earn a living just have families to feed.
Perhaps you were referring to the Bush Administration, Hitler and Big Corporate corruption like Enron. You've been reading David Icke huh? Did you see the special on the History channel called Secret Societies about the "world management" group? I couldn't believe I saw David Icke on the History channel.
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Rose
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Anybody in power can forget how if feels to be powerless... and their actions can be LARGER than needed because of this.
That said, most Managers and Mods get their jobs because they are good with people.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Managers [Re: Rose]
#5257959 - 02/03/06 12:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I see that POV. The only solution for that is for a manager to self moderate where that line is to not over do it.
You are talking about relating through remembering what its like and thats a great tool, to put yourself in the other guys shoes before taking action. (good reminder for all of us)
What about those who can't relate to some things? Like in my husbands case, he can't relate to what it was like when he was a slacker on the job with a lousy work ethic because he never was or had one. I think because of that he is at times, too hard on people in the work place and I tell him so. Yet, that is what is currently moving him up the corporate latter quickly in his current position. He demands excellence and has grown the company in an unprecedented manor in his territory. Thats what he is paid to do.
Business is about money, not peoples feelings, unless your a psychologist. 
How do you propose the corporate world make peoples feelings come first and survive? I think as a modern society we have passed the point of no return there.
Maybe this planet needs its slate wiped clean with only humanitarians left to start over.
I remember how bad I felt once when this crew guy we had, who use to be a fireman in the states, ya think he would be real responsible, was a so so employee. One night, he left $3,000 worth of equipment out and unlocked to be stolen. My husband was pissed about that and fired him. He had a kid and baby on the way. Hubby and I felt horrible but he became a liability not an asset in the business sense.
Like I said, my heart strings were worked over a lot.
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Rose
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Yup, that is business... I understand... but does your hubbies' job say THEY WON'T FIRE PEOPLE for making human mistakes? No.
My problem is when management rises ABOVE the rules or their own mission statement... GWB style... and acts powerfully because they can... even though they say elsewhere they'd never do such a thing.
My problem is when managers WILL NOT ALLOW people to disagree... even if they are GREAT salespeople who play by the rules. There is a difference between insubordination and a different opinion. Often another opinion is valuable. I love getting Wiccan_Seeker's advice on stuff, because I know he often has a different opinion... but he is always willing to say WHY.
I look at our opinions and usually decide the truth is somewhere in between.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Managers [Re: Rose]
#5258067 - 02/03/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mission Statements are a VITAL must have . We had one and we kept to it, always referred back to it when making decisions and it served us well in our objectives. It helps you keep focus on what you are doing, how you are to do it and why you are.
Without it your a ship without a rutter or sail being tossed about by the waves.
Regarding what you said about abusing power just because its there and can be used to abuse? Thats sadistic shit in my book.
Thats why you need the mission statement, to help know when the use of power is becoming abusive. If the power actions don't serve the mission statement, then you have abuse going on.
I say mission statement and not policy or rule procedure because rules and policies don't always cover gray areas and every thing that may pop up. A mission statement works better when you hit those gray areas with rules and policy procedures and in some cases, they need to flex to keep with the mission statement. If you find rules and policy procedure that's not serving the mission statement well, you need to change them to better serve it.
I know you are going to bring up in enforcing them next. Of course consistency is another vital area to me. I had to be consistant with rule enforcement raising my daughter and it served well. I only have to ask once. She knows I will enforce a consequence after a warning. I ALWAYS give warning. I don't beleive it fair to her if I don't.
People start to develop anxiety disorders and live in defence mode when they never know when the shit is going to hit the fan. Not cool.
Parenting is relevant here too because parents manage little people and have shit loads of power over them. Many parents abuse that power too- sadistic they are I say.
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Re: Managers [Re: Rose]
#5258148 - 02/03/06 02:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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> My problem is when managers WILL NOT ALLOW people to disagree...
I think most reasonable managers are fine with disagreement, but there is a time and a place for such matters. A salesperson at a clothing store is not going to start complaining to the boss about the air conditioning being broke or the lack of coffee in the lounge while they are in the middle of helping a customer. But if said salesperson were to mention these matters in the lounge on break or in between shifts, I'm sure the manager would be willing to lend an ear and consider the complaint/suggestion.
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Re: Managers [Re: geokills]
#5258337 - 02/03/06 05:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah managers can act like little dictators, but if you really are a strong person, you can face them and stick to what you want. Consider it more like a training for strenght rather then a pain in the ass - which it is too-. Don't let this sad people get you down.
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Icelander said: I have often wondered what makes people want to manage other people? I used to believe that people want to manage because they have useful skills and want to be of service. But this has not been my experience of people that want to manager or be in charge of other humans. With all the evidence in I'm tending toward believing that most all manager types have inferiority complexes and feel powerless. They often are of low character and weak. Take a look at Enron. Take a look at Politics. Take a look around you.
What cha all think?
If people would just manage they damn selves we wouldn't need managers. We need managers because people like to live in this big clusterfuck we call society. Most managers I knowed was managers because of all the money. You get paid good to boss beople around, and you don't haves to be very smart.
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Icelander
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The other thing I find about most managers and management is the general lack of moral character. In fact upper management often with intent hires other managers to carry out policies that anyone in good conscience would not. Choose people who are fearful or greedy is a good way to make sure that the leader stays in charge and doesn't have to have strong disagreement in the ranks. They have enough problems keeping the wage slaves in line. It would not do to have managers who thought that the workers were right or had had their rights violated. These people quickly leave or are fired.
As far as upper management goes it's just a business. The wouldn't know or could care less about the moral quality or lack of in their workforce, or who these people are. The are just parts for making money.
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