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spacechildo
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: eatyualive]
#20656823 - 10/04/14 09:51 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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what if the print/syringe already has contams on it? you cant remove them no matter how sterile your techniques are 
most newbs' prints aren't that clean, nor are their sterile techs that well either.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: spacechildo]
#20656834 - 10/04/14 09:54 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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even with a sterile spore print if from an in-vitro grow I would rather put it to agar first so that I can chose the best looking fastest growth to inoculate a LC with.
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13shrooms
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: bodhisatta]
#20657059 - 10/04/14 10:57 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: even with a sterile spore print if from an in-vitro grow I would rather put it to agar first so that I can chose the best looking fastest growth to inoculate a LC with.
but see these are all personal preferences that you have, which is great but most keep just straight pissing on this tek even though it works just fine. if you prefer better ways then good for you do them and help others in threads that call for it. this is not one of them.
and Im speaking generally to the all haters not just you bodhisatta 
hell I dont even use this tek but I have and theres no reason to hate on it.. 
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#20657065 - 10/04/14 10:58 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Have the admins re-write the rules so that opinions and nit picking of flawed TEKs re not allowed otherwise IDGAF that you don't like people pointing out problems with this
if you can't defend it then why get so torn up about people peer-reviewing it? Peer review IS science...
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (10/04/14 10:59 AM)
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tripdawg420
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: bodhisatta]
#20657076 - 10/04/14 11:01 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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buy the time you see if you shit is clean you can have at least 40 plates that are clean theres not even a filter on the lid and thats right
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13shrooms
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: tripdawg420]
#20657115 - 10/04/14 11:17 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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good for you guys but this isnt the lets make a perfect tek forum.. this tek works whether you like it or not, its for those that dont have the means to buy agar or get plates or whatever it doesnt even matter thats not the point.
if you dont use this tek or like it then why even bother commenting.. just to hate thats why. 
we all know there are several ways to skin a cat but we dont go around saying my way is better than yours. if you prefer better ways then do it but I dont get the scrutiny of this one. 
do you go to all teks and pick them apart if they arent up to your specific standards??
its about personal preference and if you dont like it fine but dont keep coming back and
some teks that are just crap like the hydroponic shrooms tek deserve this kinda crap but for one that does work the negativity isnt needed.. 
like monotub teks, some prefer buckets while others pasteurize and some use liners and some dont, some colonize covered in blankets and some on a shelf BUT you dont go to all the tek your not using and pick them apart no you chose the methods you prefer and make your own mind up to what you attempt. are you getting it yet? 
we all have various ways of accomplishing things and just because this way isnt your way doesnt make it flawed.. just not to your standards is all..
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms]
#20657130 - 10/04/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Agreed 100% ^^^
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms]
#20657134 - 10/04/14 11:24 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: just to hate thats why. 
Nope this is why
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shroobimon said: wow, this is a great tek!!!
for all the noobs and people lurking that only read the first post and then fail to read all the peer review, and take this at face value. Yes it can work, but why be a used car sales person and try to give someone shit when TEKs are free and you can give them the keys to a brand new BMW TEK. I'd rather help people do the best with their resources, I'd rather help people have higher chances for success.
negative would be me posting that this TEK is just shit and you should ignore 13 and otto and eatyou. but everything PF and I have posted I wouldn't call hate, considering it's clearly cultivation advice with logic behind it
I see plenty of people driving cars with bald tires all day, does it fucking work 99% of the time? yes, but that's not the point.
fucking go sue mario andretti for telling people to check their tires, he's just a hater.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (10/04/14 11:25 AM)
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: bodhisatta]
#20657167 - 10/04/14 11:36 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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your still not getting it... 
look, I have the Q&A and I dont recommend half assed ways of doing anything that I wouldnt do myself BUT when a tek like this woks but you dont like the methods its personal preference.
I started here and moved to 2 or 3 different version b4 I found my reg methods, not everything works for everyone but we dont hinder them trying things out to learn for themselves.
I never said what you guys keep repeating is wrong, its far from wrong, its justnot the thread to do it in.. like you said the other teks are out there just as easily found but if this is the chosen tek that someone wants to try then why not.. its not you. 
I agree with your guys' sterile methods etc.. but thats not what this tek is about its not the newest most modern methods, its a throwback thread tek from an old hand and its being filled with complete filibusters page after page now.. 
move on and please stop the push away from trying things.. its not what you are saying its how and why... WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO HAVE 100% SUCCESS!.
Now Im going to go burn a couple to try to get this out of my head..
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms]
#20657176 - 10/04/14 11:39 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Throwback TEK, don't wear a seatbelt you can drive more comfortably, try it.
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13shrooms
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: bodhisatta]
#20657198 - 10/04/14 11:44 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dont wear seatbelts anyway..
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms]
#20657205 - 10/04/14 11:45 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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it really is more comfortable, but in this city I live in
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13shrooms
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: bodhisatta]
#20657216 - 10/04/14 11:48 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im in a small farm town, not one traffic light in my town, just a 4way stop next to the legion after you passed the postoffice and 3 other bars 
we dont even have lines on all our roads. 
ok Im done, off topic..
LCs!!!
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eatyualive
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: spacechildo]
#20658410 - 10/04/14 06:21 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: what if the print/syringe already has contams on it? you cant remove them no matter how sterile your techniques are 
most newbs' prints aren't that clean, nor are their sterile techs that well either.
its true, but i make my own prints and own syringes. i trust myself enough to do it right.
i had some really old syringes from an old vendor hear over 5 years old. they sat in the fridge. not one contaminated injecting it into pf jars.
they all fruited. some well, some not so well but they all fruited.
Edited by eatyualive (10/04/14 06:22 PM)
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eatyualive
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms]
#20658426 - 10/04/14 06:25 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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13shrooms said:
if you dont use this tek or like it then why even bother commenting.. just to hate thats why. 
we all know there are several ways to skin a cat but we dont go around saying my way is better than yours. if you prefer better ways then do it but I dont get the scrutiny of this one. 
do you go to all teks and pick them apart if they arent up to your specific standards??
its about personal preference and if you dont like it fine but dont keep coming back and
QFT
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spacechildo
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: eatyualive]
#20658472 - 10/04/14 06:37 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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eatyualive said:
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spacechildo said: what if the print/syringe already has contams on it? you cant remove them no matter how sterile your techniques are 
most newbs' prints aren't that clean, nor are their sterile techs that well either.
its true, but i make my own prints and own syringes. i trust myself enough to do it right.
i had some really old syringes from an old vendor hear over 5 years old. they sat in the fridge. not one contaminated injecting it into pf jars.
they all fruited. some well, some not so well but they all fruited.
I'm not gonna make a big fuzz out of this, but I agree that my own prints are as clean as anyone else I've gotten. even the first ones I made! IDK how, but it seems to me PF-tek cakes do quite alright with the same inoculant that grain jars might contam on. They're somehow "magic" and just wont contam as easily IME. and I've made a LOT of them before I found the shroomery and done some real fucked up stuff to "spawn" them afterwards
but as most prints are grown in normal rooms with mold spores in the air its logical to think some of these mold spores end up under the hats as well. the veil may protect the underside of the cap a bit, but not to the point where absolutely nothing ends up under the cap with the spores? That's my reason to say no matter how good your sterile tech is your prints just cant be that clean as to where you should inoc a LC with them.
And please take this as a vote of confidence, you're in no way a noob, and most of you old school culters got mad sterile tech skills these/us new growers simply dont! Like Jimi Hendrix proving its easy to play guitar with your teeth. easy for him cause he's a god 
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: spacechildo]
#20658512 - 10/04/14 06:46 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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i got some theory's on why a not syringe often does ok on cakes and not so much on agar or grains but i'll save that for another day
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eatyualive
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: cronicr]
#20658582 - 10/04/14 07:05 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i got some theory's on why a not syringe often does ok on cakes and not so much on agar or grains but i'll save that for another day
id like to hear. pm me.
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_OttO_
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: eatyualive]
#20669341 - 10/06/14 11:41 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hmmmmmmmmm......
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3)This is the most important point that I feel is overlooked - this was meant to be appealing to people who are put off by the idea of achieving the level of sterility that you guys are insisting on, because it sounds too difficult.
It has been laid out in simple terms, and because the chances of success are very high, and it's a very easy method to follow requiring very little equipment that can be found very easily, that it would change the perception of people who think mycology is expensive or confusing.
Please stop missing this crucial point. That was my reason for writing it.
And while we're at it, spores -> LC works just fine. Ive done it well over 100 times, with very, very few issues.
It seems that anyone who is crapping on about the best way to do things, has done too much reading and not enough trying.
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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: _OttO_]
#20669369 - 10/06/14 11:47 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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otto....just for u i'm gonna go to my kitchen tonight and do this
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