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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: hamloaf]
    #18986043 - 10/16/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would agree with the statement "there's nothing beginner friendly about LC's".  They have a pretty big learning curve and it takes forever for new growers to realize that LC's are best inoculated with known and proven culture on an agar wedge than they are to inoculate with spores.



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Spores and chunks of mushrooms or pins into a LC is a sure fire way to waist substrates. Noobs try to go LC to skip their agar fears but ironically the best way to start a LC is with agar, but then you could just use the agar wedges and then g2g after that.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: trippy.maniac]
    #19261597 - 12/11/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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im definitely going to have to try this out. i have some Brazilian spores im going to try it on. very thorough. thanks for all this information.




there's 32 pages of why the very first post is a not so hot idea.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: maquina]
    #19488042 - 01/28/14 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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thank you very much, homes



read the subsequent 30 pages to find out why this is old outdated and a bad idea to do. When you're searching these threads limit the age of posts to less than two years to weed out crap methods that died a long time ago.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #19834762 - 04/12/14 08:37 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

There's really no hate. If you're good enough to make a clean LC you're not the person asking questions about it. LC is just fine there's no hate in the private journals among the veteran cultivators but LC is completely useless for the new grower and it will only serve to slow them down and possibly even make them leave this hobby if they don't have success. LC is so damn easy that you could figure it out and know if it would work for you if you know better but most people don't and that's why there is hate because the only people asking are the very people that shouldn't be making one. Sure that's a broad generalization but seriously LC really doesn't have a place with cubensis.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms]
    #19838095 - 04/13/14 02:03 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

RR isn't gospel
But I do stand by my thoughts on LC, it's like learning how to shift a car like a chick and then being like eh it works.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: Psilicon]
    #19838469 - 04/13/14 03:23 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19845237 - 04/14/14 06:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Spore to LC is like looking left and right then walking. Look left right left is going to save your ass all the time.

No doubt you can look left and right and cross 99+ % of the time but for how easy it is to do things the right way for no extra cost other than looking left again or using a SAB I prefer to be mindful all the time :shrug: it's my grow why not give it the care that it deserves.

I really don't care if you don't look before crossing or don't wear a seatbelt or drive one tenth a point over the legal limit but I'm not going to suggest it or say it looks cool. I don't think you should get a ticket for it, you're still worthy of respect OttO but I still stand by my opinion.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: DeadHearts]
    #19846202 - 04/14/14 09:38 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

It's best to tell people to have some sterile technique like to use a SAB and avoid open air inoculations. It's pretty irresponsible to make a TEK marketed to everyone including noobs considering not everyone environment is the same. I would say *attention if you live in a place not plagued by some contamination that prohibits you from doing open air inoculations this is a TEK for you* You can say well everyone should have a clean place first but apparently some people do not. I doubt TheApprentice's place was in such a shitty state it caused all of his problems, but who knows. He's not inept by any means so maybe it was just his luck but either way I would at least advocate using sterile procedure while working with sterile things.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19846586 - 04/14/14 10:56 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid:

I like to give people the calculus rather than lie to them about it with algebra.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20649031 - 10/02/14 02:36 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Besides all that since when are biases not allowed. When a user wants to express his opinion about a thread, tek, idea, etc.. it's going to be biased with their own experiences. that's why on average certain methods stand out, because on average more people have a positive bias for those methods because they fucking work well more often. :shrug: LC and GLC don't work as well as often, they're not noob friendly, and starting them with spores is risky even if it can work. I wouldn't suggest it to anyone just starting out  :2cents:

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Let's all agree to never disagree about how to do things so that this place stays stagnant. :crazy2:


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: spacechildo]
    #20649594 - 10/02/14 04:41 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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no matter how good your sterile techniques are you can't change what's already present on a print or in a syringe! :shrug:



exactly but shh don't say that it's a bias against starting a LC the wrong way. :rolleyes:


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: spacechildo]
    #20649776 - 10/02/14 05:20 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

you might be able to tell if a LC is bad but you can't tell if it's good. on agar if you get mold or bacteria you can still isolate clean growth away and start a new dish which will hopefully be clean, with an LC you just toss it out.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: cronicr]
    #20652087 - 10/03/14 04:35 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Just click the first link in my signature figure out the pf tek make 5 grams of shrooms then worry about agar and lc


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: shroobimon]
    #20653983 - 10/03/14 04:09 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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wow, this is a great tek!!!



read the last few pages.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: spacechildo]
    #20656834 - 10/04/14 09:54 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

even with a sterile spore print if from an in-vitro grow I would rather put it to agar first so that I can chose the best looking fastest growth to inoculate a LC with.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms] * 1
    #20657065 - 10/04/14 10:58 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Have the admins re-write the rules so that opinions and nit picking of flawed TEKs re not allowed otherwise :shrug: IDGAF that you don't like people pointing out problems with this

if you can't defend it then why get so torn up about people peer-reviewing it? Peer review IS science...


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms]
    #20657134 - 10/04/14 11:24 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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  just to hate thats why.  :emo:




Nope this is why

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wow, this is a great tek!!!




for all the noobs and people lurking that only read the first post and then fail to read all the peer review, and take this at face value. Yes it can work, but why be a used car sales person and try to give someone shit when TEKs are free and you can give them the keys to a brand new BMW TEK. I'd rather help people do the best with their resources, I'd rather help people have higher chances for success.

negative would be me posting that this TEK is just shit and you should ignore 13 and otto and eatyou. but everything PF and I have posted I wouldn't call hate, considering it's clearly cultivation advice with logic behind it :shrug:

I see plenty of people driving cars with bald tires all day, does it fucking work 99% of the time? yes, but that's not the point.

fucking go sue mario andretti for telling people to check their tires, he's just a hater.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms]
    #20657176 - 10/04/14 11:39 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Throwback TEK, don't wear a seatbelt you can drive more comfortably, try it.


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: 13shrooms]
    #20657205 - 10/04/14 11:45 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

it really is more comfortable, but in this city I live in :uhoh:


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Re: A *beginner friendly* method for making Liquid Culture [Re: stareatclouds]
    #20784743 - 11/02/14 04:17 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Light is good at all stages. If something says to keep it in the dark you know its dated old bs info


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