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a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old?
    #5234455 - 01/28/06 08:25 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

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I think there should be a single "age of consent" where a person is considered an adult. Whatever that age is, 16, 18, or 21, it should apply to voting, drinking, marriage, smoking, and any kind of military service (draft or optional). I think it is insane that a person can be mature enough to die for their country, but are not mature enough to drink alcohol, etc.




That said, what age do you feel should mark the becoming of age, meaning voting, drinking, marriage/sex, smoking, firearms, driving and getting blown up in some foreign country?


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What should be the unified age of maturity?
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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Asante]
    #5235411 - 01/28/06 02:01 PM (18 years, 4 days ago)

i voted 19 really i think this is a silly idea and just so you guys know if your in the military you can legally drink its something about needing it to cope...


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Asante]
    #5237451 - 01/29/06 02:22 AM (18 years, 3 days ago)

I voted 19, that's the legal drinking age here....

I also noticed 21 in the lead, I guess once you can drink you're mature :tongue:


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Asante]
    #5237524 - 01/29/06 03:01 AM (18 years, 3 days ago)

I think 17, but not for all of your criteria. For sex, they could possibly be younger, as otherwise an 18 year old fucking a 16 year old might get a rape charge, and I'd think that illogical.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Ravus]
    #5237604 - 01/29/06 04:34 AM (18 years, 3 days ago)

I myself voted for 20. (not 420 :wink:) If you take some criteria it may well be younger but if you include things such as the right to (apply to) own firearms that pushes the age up somewhat.

Most of the immaturity you see among young people ironically is because of a lack of responsibilities being given to them. You can't just return those without problems arising.

100 or so years ago you in rural areas could buy dynamite. You'd go to the hardware store and there they were, sticks of dynamite by the case, right on the shelf. You'd buy a couple of them, a detonator which the shopkeeper would crimp for you onto a minute's worth of fuse and you'd blast that darn treestump or whatever you wanted removed.

You could buy a machinegun and the pharmacies sold morphine and cocaine by the gram for nickles and dimes.

The vast majority of people could handle that because they were used to being given serious responsibilities.

Nowadays it wouldnt work. Once you have taken responsibilities from the people, many become unable to handle those responsibilities if they were suddenly given back to them.

You can, on the average, give a 12yo country kid a .22 rifle with some instruction and have it go OK, but if you did the same with a city kid there not just would be high probability of accidents, vandalism and other trouble, but the local police and media would speak of "that deranged maniac father who arms his children"

If there has to be an unified age of maturity I believe it should be 20 as the situation is today, however I feel younger people should be able to prove their competence (letssay in owning a firearm or driving a motorcycle) and if they do, be allowed an exception.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Asante]
    #5238449 - 01/29/06 12:45 PM (18 years, 3 days ago)

I put 20 because you cannot quite trust an 18 year old or under with a firearm.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Asante]
    #5239866 - 01/29/06 07:54 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

there should be a single age after which one is an adult and has all of the rights and obligations of an adult (20), but i don't see a problem with eastablishing age limits for certain things at under that age.

i think this is reasonable:

14 - employment, alcohol consumption
16 - driver's license, sexual consent, smoke cigs, porn
18 - buy pot, beer and wine, consume other drugs, join military, legal contracts
20 - anything else age related not yet mentioned (eg. buy booze, other drugs, guns, be tried as an adult)


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: wilshire]
    #5240264 - 01/29/06 09:21 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

You can, on the average, give a 12yo country kid a .22 rifle with some instruction and have it go OK, but if you did the same with a city kid there not just would be high probability of accidents, vandalism and other trouble, but the local police and media would speak of "that deranged maniac father who arms his children"

If there has to be an unified age of maturity I believe it should be 20 as the situation is today, however I feel younger people should be able to prove their competence (letssay in owning a firearm or driving a motorcycle) and if they do, be allowed an exception.



Yup i know plenty of 12year olds who hunt with guns, not a problem(south texas here), and yep in teh cities you see people getting arrested for "child negligence" all teh time around here its bull shit. People tend to do what they want irregardless of laws, at least around here thats how it is.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Asante]
    #5240303 - 01/29/06 09:36 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

I voted 13, with a condition.

Reason? Well, this is when we typically begin the change to our adult bodies. Rather than being encouraged to our adulthood, I think we are suppressed from it. T

he condition? In this society, we do not have a rite of passage. A passage into manhood for boys or into womanhood for girl. Being put through this type of ordeal, is what matures a person. Changes them. Once changed in this dramatic way, I think you may be left with a sense of responsibility.

Tribal peoples do it this way, and they seem to do okay.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: shymanta]
    #5240504 - 01/29/06 10:43 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

in traditional societies, people are considered adults sooner than they are in modern ones for good reasons. thirteen for modern societies is way too young.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: wilshire]
    #5240977 - 01/30/06 01:37 AM (18 years, 2 days ago)

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in traditional societies, people are considered adults sooner than they are in modern ones for good reasons. thirteen for modern societies is way too young.




That is because modern societies treat there people like children no matter their age. Its ingrained in out language. We call our government "Big Brother". That makes us "little brother". When we step out of line, Uncle Sam (that makes up niece or nephew) comes to punish us. We are not really allowed to chose what's best for us. The FDA tell us what is and is not healthy, legal or not for consumption.

I'll shut that line of thought before I go off on civil liberties and such.

By no means is this society capable of calling 13 year olds adults. However, if we had a rite of passage, our 13 year olds would feel more responsible. Naming something gives it power. Call someone an adult, treat them that way, and they will act that way. Treat them like children and they will act like children.

13 year olds are dying in Iraq. I'll bet their fathers and mothers call them men not children.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Asante]
    #5241143 - 01/30/06 04:19 AM (18 years, 2 days ago)

I voted 20, because it is a nice round number, but could easily be swayed back to 18.  However, I well remember being 18 years old and I definitely matured a lot over the next two years.  At 18, I simply didn't have a grasp on how much my actions would effect the rest of my life.  But then again, at 18, I knew everything... :grin:

Kinda interesting... we can probably guess most people's aproximate age based upon how they answer the poll.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Seuss]
    #5241837 - 01/30/06 11:46 AM (18 years, 2 days ago)

drugs are americas rite of passage.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Asante]
    #5276330 - 02/08/06 05:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I voted 14, since it's around that age that most people begin to think in a responsible manner as young adults. However, 15 or 16 would also be reasonable to me.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: moog]
    #5276395 - 02/08/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I voted 14, since it's around that age that most people begin to think in a responsible manner as young adults.




Your children haven't reached puberty yet, have they?  :grin:

With all the new hormones racing through their body, adolescents are actually much less responsible in their thinking than children that have not yet reached puberty.  This is a "chemistry of the brain" effect and has nothing to do with mental maturity, intelligence, age, or anything else.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: wilshire]
    #5277419 - 02/08/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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i think this is reasonable:

14 - employment, alcohol consumption
16 - driver's license, sexual consent, smoke cigs, porn
18 - buy pot, beer and wine, consume other drugs, join military, legal contracts
20 - anything else age related not yet mentioned (eg. buy booze, other drugs, guns, be tried as an adult)



I agree with this, except that I think the driving age should be raised to 18. Teenagers are generally too wreckless on the road. That's the one area in which I think we're too lenient as a society.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5280755 - 02/09/06 05:49 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> I agree with this, except that I think the driving age should be raised to 18.

Funny, I'm the opposite. I feel the minimum working age should be raised. Kids have their entire adult live to work... let them be kids while they can... I'm not against part time jobs, or summer jobs.

As for driving, they need the practice at an early age. I like the staged out approach. At 14, you can drive with a legal guardian in the car. At 16, you can drive to work or school by yourself, but not with other kids in the car. At 18, you can do what you want.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: moog]
    #5281339 - 02/09/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I voted 14, since it's around that age that most people begin to think in a responsible manner as young adults. However, 15 or 16 would also be reasonable to me.



I've yet to meet many mature 14 year olds. They may be more mature than, say, a 12 year old, but far from a mature adult.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5425204 - 03/21/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i put 17, but it doesnt apply to a few things.


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Re: a Unified Age of Maturity -- how old? [Re: Asante]
    #5440405 - 03/25/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I voted 17, but only because I'm against personal possesion of firearms.

If you're including the legal right to buy firearms, I would suggest something in the 150 - 200 range.


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