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PooGrower
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What do you pros think about this???
#5216027 - 01/23/06 10:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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What do you think the results of a substrate containing 70%percent cow shit, 30 percent WBS Grinded to a paste and sterilized or paesturized, would do to the overall pin set, weight, size, and potency of eq spawned to it?????? Any suggestions or modifications from your expierence is gladly appreciated my brussel sprouts.
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willmafingerdo
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Re: What do you pros think about this??? [Re: PooGrower]
#5216149 - 01/23/06 11:20 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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well ive been using horse poo.. but ive been messing with a mix like that for the last 2 go'es ive done.. first i tired 1/2 cup each Hpoo/verm/wbs (wbs was soaked for 24 hrs and simmered before adding) in pint jars and was colonized in under 10 days. second test was 1 cup hpoo to 1/2 cup verm and wbs.. about 50% of my jars are 90-100% and its been 12 days. i shake my jars at the 7 day mark. both times the mix was placed into pint jars and PC for 45 min then inoced w/ MS. hope this helps ya out some.. i know its not cow poo.. but its kinda along the same line..
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coda
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Re: What do you pros think about this??? [Re: willmafingerdo]
#5216414 - 01/24/06 12:47 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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why would you grind the wbs to a paste? that wouldnt work well at all.
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Rahz
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Re: What do you pros think about this??? [Re: PooGrower]
#5216503 - 01/24/06 01:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Using 30% grain (whole or paste) in a substrate mix has a very high chance of contaminating, regardless of whether you pasturize or sterilize. The only way to expect success would be to sterilize the mix and spawn/colonize it in aseptic conditions. Much more trouble than it's worth.
If you're determined to give it a try, I did the same (using straw instead of cow poo) and got a large portion of the substrate colonized, but there were large patches of whatever causes the yeasty, foot smell. If it fails, and you have some room outdoors, Spring is just around the corner. Mine's planted with some pasturized, PH balanced compost on top. I added some leaves which I'll remove when it get's warm enough.
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Hotnuts
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Re: What do you pros think about this??? [Re: Rahz]
#5216541 - 01/24/06 01:38 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I disagree. I use wbs floured all the time for PF style substrates in place of brf that are simply steam sterilized. I don't see any reason why floured seed wouldn't work fine mixed and pasturized with manure. It will only aid, not hurt if the whole grains are ground properly...
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Hotnuts
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Re: What do you pros think about this??? [Re: Hotnuts]
#5216550 - 01/24/06 01:43 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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30% on the other hand might be a bit much. Try 10-15 so you don't get a pasty manure as said above....
Edited by hotnutz (01/24/06 01:53 AM)
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Rahz
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Re: What do you pros think about this??? [Re: Hotnuts]
#5216595 - 01/24/06 02:13 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grain flour is fine in PF boiled jars since they're sterilized and they colonize in aseptic conditions. I tried a very similar bulk grow (pasteurized with castings, added to pasteurized straw) and it started to smell on the third day.
My advice is, if you want more grain in bulk subs, just use more spawn.
Rahz
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Hotnuts
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Re: What do you pros think about this??? [Re: Rahz]
#5216937 - 01/24/06 08:23 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good advice there. Makes sense huh? I really shouldn't post wasted....
Edited by hotnutz (01/24/06 08:24 AM)
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willmafingerdo
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Re: What do you pros think about this??? [Re: Rahz]
#5220145 - 01/24/06 11:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Rahz said: Using 30% grain (whole or paste) in a substrate mix has a very high chance of contaminating, regardless of whether you pasturize or sterilize. The only way to expect success would be to sterilize the mix and spawn/colonize it in aseptic conditions. Much more trouble than it's worth.
Rahz
rahz the way i did mine there was no spawning, i just dumped the jars out into my containers and cased. and i used the whole wbs not ground up in my mixes. out of about 40 jars done up this way i finaly got my first contamed jar so a 97% sucess rate isnt to bad so far.. and i just picked my 3rd flush off of my first casing using this method and no signs of the "mean green". and i by no means have a "steril" work area.
comparing my attempts at spawning wbs to pasturized Hpoo i have had far more sucess using this method. and there seems to be no loss of potency due to PC'ing the poo mix.
im not trying to sound like i know what im talking about or anything just letting ya know how its been going for me, im in no way an expert and dont mean to sound like one if thats how its coming out..
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Rahz
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Re: What do you pros think about this??? [Re: willmafingerdo]
#5220558 - 01/25/06 03:05 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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>>>>im not trying to sound like i know what im talking about or anything
Sounds like you DO know what you're talking about 
Just upping the spawn, or using your method, either way is a solution (your method sound pretty cool), but both have the grain colonizing in sterile conditions.
Don't want to hijack the thread, but if you have a grow log, or tek, I'd like to read it.
Rahz
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willmafingerdo
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Re: What do you pros think about this??? [Re: Rahz]
#5225493 - 01/26/06 10:45 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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no i never made up a log or tec.. give me about a month and ill make one up.
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I am not lost.. i am going there looking for it.. and when i get there and find it, i will know what it is.. "The way to stop violence is not to go out and let your head be beaten in but to say, you want to take my life risk yours!" "are you sure u want to eat all them shrooms??" "yes i want to hear what my mind has to say..." remember opions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.
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