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OfflineEllis Dee
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Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to China?
    #521782 - 01/16/02 12:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's because his campaign contributors will make big $.

Bush is just the same as Clinton on these trade issues. They're the same evil. Bush and Clinton are two peas in the same pod.


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to China? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #521792 - 01/16/02 12:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Capitalism. It's revolves around capital holders.
They make more money if they pay their workers a starvation wage.



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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to China? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #521794 - 01/16/02 12:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You hit the nail on the head. It's too bad you're so right....


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to China? *DELETED* [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #521832 - 01/16/02 01:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to China? [Re: dk138]
    #522148 - 01/16/02 09:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I believe capitalism is correct as well. The government has catered to the business leaders for a pretty long time, even starting wars to protect American business men's interests. And companies always head to wear they can get more production at a cheaper price. Remember, the man who dies with the most money wins.
And I doubt that American will ever arm itself and overthrow the government. We possess a sizable middle-class in our country that acts as a buffer to temper most radical thought because it allows an appearance of vertical movement in the class brackets. People almost never rebel when they are contented and if goods are cheap that means people(who still possess their jobs) can buy more for less. Always a happy thought in a country obsessed in material goods.


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to China? [Re: Hiroller]
    #522341 - 01/16/02 01:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Does that mean we accepted china into the wto. I thought that we were supposed to be liberating the country from oppressed socialism. But no we just cater to the leaders over there. Buy all their heroin at wholesale and labor, and make billions off of it. It is completely ridiculous. I am a pacifist most of the time, but sometimes I think I might want to instigate a war with china, just to get all that oil, I mean what are we waiting for?


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Hiroller]
    #522507 - 01/16/02 03:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hiroller writes:

"The government has catered to the business leaders for a pretty long time, even starting wars to protect American business men's interests."

Which wars has the American government STARTED to protect America's business interests?

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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Phred]
    #522523 - 01/16/02 04:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

pinky, the Gulf War comes immediatly to mind.


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #522708 - 01/16/02 07:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yup, Gulf War was all about oil, no doubts here. Panama, to a certain extent, was also about business interests.

Personally, if I see something with a made in china tag on it, I do not buy it.
China has an attrocious human rights record. Plus, I like to support our own workers as much as I can.


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: PGF]
    #522791 - 01/16/02 09:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

what do you buy that is 100% american?


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Innvertigo]
    #522798 - 01/16/02 09:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Believe it or not, America still manufactures t-shirts, jeans, food, textiles and all kinds of other shit. I avoid Chinese goods and buy products from other countries if I can not find an American made product.



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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: PGF]
    #522813 - 01/16/02 09:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

like?..what cars?, radio's?, computers??? what kinds of textiles and other shit?


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Innvertigo]
    #522831 - 01/16/02 09:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The US of A has a thriving textile industry being operated by prison laborers...


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Innvertigo]
    #522833 - 01/16/02 09:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Are you denying that anything is made in the US?

I'm not a fucking moron. Most electronics are not made here.
This state I live in produces massive amounts of textiles, lots of clothes,
lots of building materials................... What the fuck is wrong with you?

I told you I buy American when i can/ I avoid Chinese made shit, and i purchase other goods that are made elsewhere only when I can not find similiar items made here.

Are you gonna do this from now on just because I AM A FAN OF ABORTION?


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #522841 - 01/16/02 09:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Are you actually comparing our prison labor forcee to China's?
ha


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: PGF]
    #522869 - 01/16/02 10:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

Are you actually comparing our prison labor forcee to China's?
ha




Well we both use slave labor.

Amendment XIII

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.


Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


"...except as a punishment for crime..."

For political crimes like filling in a low spot in your yard, possessing a feather from a road kill hawk, et cetera you can be put onto a
Federal prison "plantation" and forced to work. Then there are the States: Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Florida, Minnesota to name just a few, very few.

I'm not saying this is bad though one of the links is for an advocacy group. I'm just pointing out that a lot of what is proudly made in America is made by slave laborers (prison inmates).


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #522887 - 01/16/02 10:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Te difference is our prison labor is not FORCED.
It is 100% voluntary.
Look it up.


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #522955 - 01/17/02 12:21 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Rail_Gun writes:

"pinky, the Gulf War comes immediatly to mind. "

The American government did not START the Gulf War. Iraq did by invading Kuwait, a US ally. The Kuwaitis asked for help and got it from a COALITION of forces from many UN countries. Most of the troops were American, but it was not strictly speaking AMERICA vs. Iraq, it was the UN vs Iraq. Am I the only one that remembers this? It happened just a decade ago, after all.

Besides, the relevant point here is that the reaction of the Coalition was just that, a REACTION. Iraq was the country who STARTED the war.

Hiroller claims that the American government has STARTED wars (note the use of the plural -- i.e. at least two) to protect American businessmen. I asked him to give me an example of wars that the American government INITIATED.

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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Phred]
    #522971 - 01/17/02 12:42 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

>>>The American government did not START the Gulf War. Iraq did by invading Kuwait, a US ally.

Now that's bunk. Iraq made war on Kuwait and we kicked their ass to protect our oil interests in the region.

Kuwait has a dictatorship just as bad if not worse than Iraq's. I used to know a kuwaiti man named Afif. He told me about what happens to anyone that criticizes the kuwaiti government, they dissapear. We kicked out one dictator to reinstall our oil friendly dictator. It was a war America started to protect oil intersts. Any argument you make to the contrary is merely the justification for the protection of our oil interests, because it's not PC to say that we send our boys to kill and die for oil.

BTW, I remember it well myself as well. Maybe you just remember what the media told you(the politicians justifying the war with your arguments, bush saying "Iraq will not be permitted to annex kuwait," etcetera). But if you think about it and why we went there at all it's all about oil, it's pretty obvious.


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Re: Why does G.W. Bush want to send your job to Ch [Re: Phred]
    #523090 - 01/17/02 03:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Gotta agree with rail gun in this one.


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