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Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene?
    #5212321 -

hippies and ravers as they are called.

do you think that if an equal amount of jam and rock bands were put in the same festival as dj's and other electronic music artists, that they could or would mesh? get along?


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: ZippoZ]
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It already has...the last edition of Camp Bisco, back in August. Simon Posford of Shpongle performed as Hallucinogen.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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i have seen it happen once myself on a smaller basis, was pretty cool. but i was wondering what everyone else thought...

can you give me some more info on this camp bisco???


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: ZippoZ]
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i think it would be dope as hell and i would love to see it, any tours going around the east coast?


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Yayitsme]
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not that i know of.....


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: ZippoZ]
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how about any jam tours on the east coast or some sort of festival?


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: ZippoZ]
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There were plenty of hippies and ravers together at Earthdance.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: ZippoZ]
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Any scene can co-exist as long as they just do that. If everyone would chill out it could be a very good time


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: ZippoZ]
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depends on what type of electronic music.

psytrance - yes
ambient/downtempo stuff - yes
house - maybe
techno - no

electro
idm
d'n'b
etc - no

seems fans of the non-trance scene arent into jam band music all that much & not so much into drugs like the hippies. and hippies arent so much into music that is harder and darker and more mechanical-sounding - they want a positive groove and a performance.

im into electronic music almost exclusively and I'm not a fan of jam band music...and the scene kinda bores me.

im into electronic music and I'm no raver...post-rave, maybe.

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Vvellum]
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Well in the early 70's when electronic music was starting, they were jam bands. Kraftwerk would play extremely lengthy improvised jams, but it was electronic music. As would Faust, and tangerine dream.

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: TheCow]
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tangerine dream :heart:

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said:
depends on what type of electronic music.

psytrance - yes
ambient/downtempo stuff - yes
house - maybe
techno - no

electro
idm
d'n'b
etc - no

seems fans of the non-trance scene arent into jam band music all that much & not so much into drugs like the hippies. and hippies arent so much into music that is harder and darker and more mechanical-sounding - they want a positive groove and a performance.

im into electronic music almost exclusively and I'm not a fan of jam band music...and the scene kinda bores me.

im into electronic music and I'm no raver...post-rave, maybe.


I'll listen to Widespread Panic and then I'll put in some Aphrodite, or dj Icey. Then, after all of that, I'll pop in some Sepultura, only to find myself listening to Ween 10 minutes later. I love to see the scenes meld together! After all, music all about togetherness and harmony. Why not mix everything and see what becomes of the new arriving artists that get influenced by it. We need more diversity in our lives to keep us refreshed and new.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: blissedout]
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yeah, thats cool...but alot of the people I know who are into the electro, idm, italo, techno scenes are not fans of jamband music. and I dont know many hippies who are turned on by our music, either.

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: ZippoZ]
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Yes, they are called Ozric Tentacles.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Vvellum]
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I listen to metal, jam bands, electronica, jazz, classical, fusion, and a whole spectrum of shit.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Vvellum]
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Im not a fan of electronic music at all....

the only I have been listening to for the last few months is me playing something... i like organs... b3's.... I wish i had one....


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Jim]
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my buddy has a Hammond b3 (beautiful)

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Jim]
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But then again, I am a freak.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Shroomism]
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i cant remember what its called, but on the east coast of canada (nova scotia?) there's a festival in the summer thats half electronic half jam/regea and its very conscious...

Im into the LSD of jam bands.. thats about it, i like folk and country, and fun jam.. but 10,000 lakes disappointed me tremendously. The electronic trance and underground tribal scenes are ALOT more conscious and happening than jam. in my experience anyways.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: PDU]
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I don't know man. I go to both.. they are like the same thing in my eyes.. with different styles of music and different mannerisms in the people. But pretty much the same. It's all people gathering to have a good time.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Shroomism]
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I dont know, all the electronic parties ive been to, or the real trance heads ive talked with... are alot more into creativing sustainable futures and creative culture jamming and social activism - very forward thinking people. More into art, and community..

Most of the jam kids ive met (not many, besides that festival) - were alll about getting high, widespread, trey and overpriced, sketchy drug abuse. - string cheese has a pretty cool crowd, and so does soundtribe sector 9..


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: PDU]
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Those are called drainbows. Because they are a drain on the festival scene. The opposite of rainbows.. who are exactly like you describe as the positive element, but wearing different clothes. You just haven't been to the right shows/met the right people. But you'll find that element at any major gathering, jam band or electronica.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Shroomism]
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there wernt too many rainbow type people at 10,000 lakes - alot of kids getting very fucked up. I never really associated rainbow with jam, in that sense. Anyways, i'll quit my bitchin'

Oh well, i think earlier posters were right, it can exist.. and especially with bands like particle and soundtribe bridging the gap. There are parallel interests by both groups and as long its arranged right, the crowd could turn out well.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: PDU]
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Sadly, there are some festivals that just attract more people who are just looking to "get fucked up".. but you must realize this is not the rule.

Bonnaroo is a good example of many different 'subcultures' merging as one on a large scale. There are jam bands galore..... and DJs spinning. I don't know about 10,000 lakes, never been. Fuck.. even Dave Matthews was there last year.. and there were Abercrombie people as well as ravers and rainbows and ..businessmen...weekend warriors.. everyone just gets along. You'd be surprised at the diversity at some festivals. In the end we're all humans. But I've met just as many forward thinking "hippies" as I have "ravers". And I was raised as a metalhead, and always will be at heart.

If you ever make it down to Georgia in the fall.. I highly recommend Blue Ridge Harvest Fest. Highly.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: PDU]
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I love the idea of Mixing both the scenes.Whenever I go to the state palace in new orleans for a rave,I always meet tons of people from all walks of life.

The last psytrance party I went to in jackson Ms.Was full of heady folk.I sat and talked to a guy about jambands for a good 30 min.Then proceeded to dance my ass of to some sick ass psy.

I have noticed alot of "hippies" are in DnB,not that scary DnB but more on the jungle side.Some of these bands like STS9,that incorporate allot of electronic stuff into there jams use a DnB type of sound.The fast ass hi hats ans snares with a 4/4 beat.

But on another note...If you go to a DnB here in the south,your not going to see anyone besides a bunch of ghetto ass "MC's" and dj's

Im a Lover of music,not a lover of genres.I get down to anything.Mostly psy/goa and classic rock and jam bands.But I love experimental stuff and ambient stuff like 'Squarepusher'.I also dig House,all kinds of house.I spin Uk hard house,hard trance and of course Psy.I would like to broaden that into the jungle/DnB world also..because I love the shit.

All in all.The rave scene,which is full of drugged out kandi kids with no spirit,is just like the jamband scene,which is also full of an equal number of dueche bags"drainbows" as they were called earlier in this thread.But the people that hav gone past that stage of were they are at whatever venue they chose,for more than just the drugs.They are there for the human experience.Feeling life,and experinceing that "cosmic orgasm" you feel when everyone in the crowd is on the same wave length,the preformer is tuning that wave length and the end result is "universal love"

I hope to see more festivals like Camp Bisco.
The last time i was in atlanta at a small house/trance party,I met some of the most intelligent characters from ashville Nc.They werent ravers,but they dug the scene.They were "kind folk" If I had to catagorize them.But nonetheless,all these people in all thesedifferent sub culture music scenes are after the same thing.Higher consciousness and the experienceing of life and meeting new people to assit that.Its just that all these scenes atract loser with no reason to be were they are at except to "get fucked up"

Wow what a long post.
Oh and Blissedout,you can find a better florida breaks dj than Icey...come on..Ill bring you some electronic music when I come over next time.Heres an analogy for you...Dj Icey is to electronic music,as slipknot is to rock music.hehehe

hip hip Hoooooray


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
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Well said brother. You'll find the dregs in any aspect of any type of gathering, regardless of genre. I've met just as many braindead 'kandy kids' as I have heroin-shooting 'drainbows'... and they both share a common trait - they just come to get fucked up, and don't contribute to the community... usually they are a burden on the community. The point is that if that's all you're seeing.. you're only looking at the negative aspect.. there will always be the people who are there for the Human Experience, as you put it.. just as there will be the people with selfish intentions who just come for the drugs. How you choose to see it, and who you choose to associate and connect with, is your choice. There is a heaven and there is a hell at every gathering. I am a lover of music also, and beautiful souls.. that is why I go to these gathering.. to connect with my fellow humans and flow with the music. Hippy gathering or trance party.. it's all the same to me, just with a different soundtrack.

I am not as schooled in electronic music as I am with other genres (metal, jazz, bluegrass, etc) So I can't really differentiate the sub-genres. But I know if I like it, I like it. Psy-goa I think Shpongle, Infected Mushroom, etc. Trance I think Van Dyke, Oakenfold etc.. House I don't even know.. but I probably love it. DnB is freaking awesome, but I couldn't name you a single artist off the top of my head. If it has a groove, I'll jam to it.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Shroomism]
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Well put.Damnit now I want to go to a gathering.


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MrJellineck said:  Profits, prophets. That's all you jews think about.
sheekle said: life is drugs... and music... and cat... :snowman:

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
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hmmm this is interesting, so what im hearing is, not only can it work, but it has been working. cool

So what other scenes could be combined with The jam and electronic music cultures???
would main stream, often played bands, you hear on the radio and their crowds mesh with this scene?

although i think that people from that scene might not be down for camping for 3 days....


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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McKennaDMT said:
Yes, they are called Ozric Tentacles.


:yesnod: and they rock :smile:

also, bands like soundtribe, particle, and the disco biscuits are bridging this gap with a more psy-trancy sound than ozric tentacles.

personally, i never go to events with djs spinning, unless it is at a venue i hold dear. but if i was at a multiple-day event (like camp bisco or whatnot), i'd probably check them out.

many older festivals (like roskilde festival in denmark) have sucessfully blended pretty much all genres of music, and for many years at that. check it out, you might get some ideas...


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Krishna]
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This thread has been the most enjoyable read, in awhile! It has me itching to go to a festival! BONAROOOO!:dancing:

anewway-I am off all day, today. Joo should bring me some music! We'll shmoke some of the kind, too. Come on!


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: ZippoZ]
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I like both types of music a lot, so it would be great to get them in one package.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: ZippoZ]
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im so damn pumped for gaian mind, 3 nights, 4 days of psy. :smile:


how long do shroomery gatherings last? specificly the NE


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Krishna]
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Krishna, if you like Ozrics, checkout Korai Orom, Hidria Spacefolk and Kaabel. You can download about 5 albums worth of Kaabel's stuff of their website.

http://www.kaabel.com/

And also checkout

http://www.oresundspacecollective.com/

Hours upon hours of free psychedelic jamming. Everything from psy jazz, dub, electronic, to good ole space rock.


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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Awesome! Thanks for the link!


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Shroomism]
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I dont know, im glad i didnt drink at bonnaroo i might of gotten more annoyed by the piss drunk dave mathews band fratt boys.

CHACH YAH DAVE.

Hehehe nah it wasnt that bad, but bonnaroo.... damn diverse group.

Shroomism said:
Sadly, there are some festivals that just attract more people who are just looking to "get fucked up".. but you must realize this is not the rule.

Bonnaroo is a good example of many different 'subcultures' merging as one on a large scale. There are jam bands galore..... and DJs spinning. I don't know about 10,000 lakes, never been. Fuck.. even Dave Matthews was there last year.. and there were Abercrombie people as well as ravers and rainbows and ..businessmen...weekend warriors.. everyone just gets along. You'd be surprised at the diversity at some festivals. In the end we're all humans. But I've met just as many forward thinking "hippies" as I have "ravers". And I was raised as a metalhead, and always will be at heart.

If you ever make it down to Georgia in the fall.. I highly recommend Blue Ridge Harvest Fest. Highly.



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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: baraka]
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people are just people
you gotta meet each one. get to know them. then you can say somthing about them. people look at me all the time and assume im some burnt out hippy. not true
i may be a dead head, but this does not mean i shae all the same charictor traits as my dead head bretheren
i stopped seeing people as hippies or ravers along time ago
there are nice people in tie die shirt as well as tottal fuck faces in tie die shirts
just as there are nice people in cat in the hat hats, as well as total fuck faces in cat in the hat hats


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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: notapillow]
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thanks for all of your input everyone, its really helpful :smile:


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
If you ever make it down to Georgia in the fall.. I highly recommend Blue Ridge Harvest Fest. Highly.


That's like a 20 minute drive from my house, i've never gone, but i heard it's fun. I heard it got cancelled last year though.

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Re: Can the jam scene co-exist in the same festival with the Electronic music Scene? [Re: deryl]
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Yeah cause of the hurricanes :frown:
I was really looking forward to it.. oh well.. next year


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