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The Path of Which We Take
#5201771 - 01/20/06 06:11 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know this may seem like a rather odd topic to be discussing, but I have come to the point where I am getting ready, learning what I can, and studying biochemestry and so on, on natural hallucinogens, but I would like the community's answer to a few questions.
1. From your point of view, physically and mentally, what is the end result of taking a psychadelic as compared to not taking one ever?Long term, not just what it does initially.
2. If the result of the first time is bad, will it be such an awful experience that it would kill a usual person's curiosity?
3. Is it normal to be nervous, or will that cause things to go badly? If so, what can I do to stop the butterflies I get when I think about the major change I'm about to take in my life?
-------------------- [quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: justamonkey]
#5201791 - 01/20/06 06:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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1. This is a really hard question. I think it's diferrent for everyone. You definately gain a new perspective on everything. If you trip hard enough to lose ego then you start to realize that society is completely in and of itself a load of crap. 2. Again this depends, but if said person is smart they won't have taken a huge dose the first time and should be able to handle it. 3. It's normal to be nervous, but too much can be a bad thing. Alot of bad trips are just from talking yourself into thinking somethings wrong. Just read read read. Learn as much as you possibley can. expecially trip reports. That way you know what to expect and instead of thinking OMG I"M DYING!, you can just say ok I'm tripping this is normal.
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: justamonkey]
#5201795 - 01/20/06 06:37 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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justamonkey said: 1. From your point of view, physically and mentally, what is the end result of taking a psychadelic as compared to not taking one ever?Long term, not just what it does initially.
First off, I wouldn't know, as I have never had a life in which I have not taken one... I think. Honestly, though, it really is entirely up to you. The end result is the culmination of your experience and what you do with it. Will you develop the discipline and strive to integrate the insight one could develop into your everyday life, to change yourself and your entire experience of life for the better? Once the drug wears off, you'll return - unless you dedicate yourself to changing aspects of your mind to open oneself to that experience all the time.
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2. If the result of the first time is bad, will it be such an awful experience that it would kill a usual person's curiosity?
Possibly. I've had a bad trip, not my first time, but it was quite probably the most beneficial trip I have ever had in terms of my personal growth, as it involved myself experiencing every negative thought I could create and punishing myself with them. In the end, I was still there, and I had released all of the unnecessary, suffering baggage I had been carrying around over the years. After that, I was able to ascend, so to speak. 
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3. Is it normal to be nervous, or will that cause things to go badly? If so, what can I do to stop the butterflies I get when I think about the major change I'm about to take in my life?
I think getting nervous, as you have stated, is normal with major changes one is about to take in one's life, and a psychadelic experience certainly can be a major change. Its important to realize that, when the experience starts to open up within you, one can only go with the flow. To some, the thought of such is frightening, because it means, to them, giving up an illusion of control they think they have over themselves. To those that realize, going with the flow is the ultimate liberation.
One will be nervous, and by the time you lift off, there won't be one to be nervous, if you see what I mean. I'm sure that you'll have nothing to worry about. 
You fool! Now I feel that I am more ready than ever to consume some mushrooms again... its been well over a year now. If I only knew where I misplaced my syringes, I'd start growing today.... Time to go tear the house apart. 
 Peace.
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1) I can't think of anything. I don't think the difference would be that huge since we trip on DMT everynight in our dreams.... The only differenec I could forsee is lifestyle choices...
2) sometimes, yeah. And it's a damn shame. But quite a few people have bad trips their first time but still work to push through that.
3) It's compeletely normal to be nervous. You'll be fine as long as you are not pessimistic or paranoid. Anxiety is inherent in the mushroom trip. It goes along with it's character IMO.
3 cont.) The only changes you'd be making in your life by taking a psychedelic are the ones that you choose. Psychedelics don't change us, they only inspire us. The change is completely up to you.
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: justamonkey]
#5201972 - 01/20/06 08:37 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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First question is an unknown. Subjectively I believe it's an unnecessary loss.
Second question also unknown as it depends on so many factors.
Third question, It is absolutely normal to be nervous, I am always nervous at the beginning of a voyage. It does not mean things will go badly, yet having things go "badly" is part of the healing process that this experience can provide. Many shamanic practioners feel that the "bad" trip is often the most beneficial. You cannot stop the butterflies, the goal is to act anyway and take the challenge of growing. Good luck.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: Icelander]
#5202086 - 01/20/06 09:18 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Jump right in..."
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: dr0mni]
#5202209 - 01/20/06 09:56 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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there never is any going back from any turn in the road. the metaphor of path only applies to moving forward.
you will know uniquely what is up in your path and which way to go. everyone is different.
remorse and longing for the past is just one of the possible & ridiculous pitfalls whether you turn right or left, and no insurance policy prevents this at all.
otherwise I agree with what has been said above.
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Thanks, I appreciate it guys. I'm definitely going through with this. It's something that I've been interested in in a round a bout way for a while, and have recently been directly exposed to it.
I've read several things, including The Four Agreements, as well as advanced biochemestry books that I've purchased from GoodWill on the subject of nerotransmitters and so on. I've probably got nearly a hundred hours of study behind the subject, and a capable guide.
Thanks for the input.
-------------------- [quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: justamonkey]
#5203872 - 01/20/06 06:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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justamonkey, what are you saying? Get your ass in church and quit worrying about such powerful substances! Is it not better to never see the the "game" that is played out before one's eyes daily, but never noticed? Are you sure you want to experience reality beyond the consensus? It is probably much more comfortable to say one's prayers every night and trust to the judgement of your betters. It is well known that monkeys like to grasp shiny things, but what monkey has ever grasped a lightingbolt?
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5203979 - 01/20/06 07:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl: if you dare, the following link has the answers you seek. Be certain that you are mentally and spiritually ready before you pass through.
They are not mere monkeys, but possess the power to make their thoughts real. With this power, they torment each other. Like monkeys.
I pray that you can grasp the raw wisdom therein without being driven to madness by its power.
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: GulGen]
#5204251 - 01/20/06 08:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good one!!!
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5205682 - 01/21/06 05:40 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nah, huehuecoyotl is right. But what he doesn't understand is that church is in my mind and my prayers are my true goals. Right now, evolving via the ally is my goal. I have a need, a drive now, that passed out of the stage of curiosity long ago, that will consume me, and I will let it. That consumption will be the death of me, and in that death, like a pheonix I will rise from the ash myself and yet never the same again. That death will be neither glorious nor useless. It will be like that which is unknown being revealed. I know this because it is what I do not know, and the means of knowing are before me. Saying that the shiny object may be like a lightening bolt is true, but to me, reality is a shiny object. No one understands it fully, and no one has ever grasped it, it sparkles and is gazed at by many, but only truly touched by few. Everything is a lightning bolt if we see it, shocking.
-------------------- [quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: justamonkey]
#5205926 - 01/21/06 09:24 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Being overly cautious is timidity, but no caution at all is stupidity. Make no expectations, and indulge no assumptions. Just keep your eye on the mark. Do not worry about the arrow or the target. They will take care of themselves.
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Re: The Path of Which We Take [Re: justamonkey]
#5205939 - 01/21/06 09:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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justamonkey said: 1. From your point of view, physically and mentally, what is the end result of taking a psychadelic as compared to not taking one ever?Long term, not just what it does initially.
It is hard to say. It changes perspective and opens you up... but there is no direction - you are the navigator.
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2. If the result of the first time is bad, will it be such an awful experience that it would kill a usual person's curiosity?
If you watch set and setting, then a bad trip is unlikely. I've had only one terrible experience... but I got over it - while learning alot in the process. I don't know what you mean by a "usual person's curiosity".
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3. Is it normal to be nervous, or will that cause things to go badly? If so, what can I do to stop the butterflies I get when I think about the major change I'm about to take in my life?
Embrace the anxiety. Cherish the uncertainty.
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