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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: Boom]
    #5204221 - 01/20/06 08:18 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

They don't.

And most people can't drive in the first fucking place.


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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: Shroomism]
    #5204224 - 01/20/06 08:19 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Amen


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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: Blek]
    #5204258 - 01/20/06 08:32 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

The hookah bars in downtown seattle are still open. I don't know if they are legally supposed to allow you to smoke, but I was at one of them (I forget the name, but it was a few blocks up from Pike Place...A big place, with a DJ and huge Egyptian paintings on the back walls) one Wednesday night. It seemed like business as usual.
On the other hand, I know of atleast one Hookah bar in Olympia that was forced out of business. I dunno what the deal is


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Re: NJ smoking ban *DELETED* [Re: Boom]
    #5204261 - 01/20/06 08:35 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: Noetical]
    #5204263 - 01/20/06 08:37 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

It really isn't bad to step outside anyway...


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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: Boom]
    #5204297 - 01/20/06 08:53 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

I agree with you, in fact, in my first post on this topic I mentioned the fact that I liked to step outside anyways, but...
I think the bigger issue here is the fact that the government has the authority to tell a private citizen and business owner that he cannot allow smoking inside a building that he has bought and paid for, regardless of whether or not it is open to the public. Nobody is forcing non-smokers to enter this establishment. This is the only drawback I can see to this law being passed. In my opinion our government is exercising FAR TOO MUCH control over it's citizens.


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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: 13eetleJuice]
    #5204300 - 01/20/06 08:54 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

^exactly....

i don't mind standing outside either...it's the principle of the matter though...


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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: 13eetleJuice]
    #5204305 - 01/20/06 08:55 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Yep, the government has no right to pass this law.

I have no problem with not smoking in place I'm not allowed to, but I believe that should be left up to the owners, not some jackoff gov't.


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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: Redstorm]
    #5204321 - 01/20/06 09:01 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Agreed... it makes me chuckle when everyone talks about the "freedom" we have in America. Freedom is such an illusion...

I mean compared to many many countries, yeah, we are free. But we are losing our freedoms, and quickly


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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: Boom]
    #5204383 - 01/20/06 09:17 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Columbus has this law. Hookah places are okay, because if you make a certain percent of your profit from tobacco sales you can smoke inside. What pisses me off is bars--a restaurant is one thing, but dude..bars = smoking. A friend's dad owns a large pub and he lost two thirds of his business after the ban went into effect. He's gotten some of that business back but not anywhere near all of it.


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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: Boom]
    #5204387 - 01/20/06 09:19 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

chicago passed this as well. went into effect on monday (although bars have 2 years to comply). I think it's bullshit - overreaching of government into private business.

businesses can allow smoking in their establishments if 35% of the profit comes from tobacco sales. I predict a few bars beginning to sell packs of cigarettes & cigars in the next 2 years...but then their business would morph into tobacco/alcohol bars - definitely risky venture & would take alot of reorganizing & new marketing.

[smoking outside in the chicago winter fucking sucks btw]


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Re: NJ smoking ban [Re: Vvellum]
    #5204409 - 01/20/06 09:28 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Yeah, I could imagine...

and losing 2/3 of a pub's business due to smoking bans sounds a little high, but of course I don't know.


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