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Invisiblechodamunky
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salvia tea
    #5200326 - 01/19/06 08:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Has anybody tried this or know if it would work? I imagine the experience would not nearly be as strong as smoking salvia, it would probably be more mellow and longer. Should I try it out 2morrow?

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Re: salvia tea [Re: chodamunky]
    #5200347 - 01/19/06 08:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Wont work. Unless you are SUPER, SUPER sensitive. Sal-A is not orally active.
Only methods that work, smoke, quidding, and possibly enema

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Re: salvia tea [Re: chodamunky]
    #5200349 - 01/19/06 08:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

numerous accoutns of people tripping balls and same for people feeling nothinga t all.

ive tried it and i felt very very little. if your gonna do it go balls to the wall and use a shitload of leaves. i think the water only extracts like 30 percents of the salvinoran so save those leaves and smoke emonce there dry


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Re: salvia tea [Re: DeathCompany]
    #5200354 - 01/19/06 08:33 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

smoking and quiding are both oral. shoving up your ass does work. not from my experience thoug. i want to make that very clear


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Re: salvia tea [Re: DeathCompany]
    #5200362 - 01/19/06 08:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

point taken.

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Re: salvia tea [Re: WeAreAllOne]
    #5200403 - 01/19/06 08:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder how it would work with an maoi? Would it be orally active then? I'm all about the maoi since last weekend when I tried dmt with an maoi and was blown away! I just hate smoking harsh shit...


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Re: salvia tea [Re: WeAreAllOne]
    #5200410 - 01/19/06 08:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

yea try it! and tell us how it goes

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Re: salvia tea [Re: happysun]
    #5200413 - 01/19/06 08:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, quidding is oral, but eating it will not result in much effect. Must be absorbed through mucus membranes.

MAOI's will help potentate (be careful! Strong trip, and MAOI's require planning) But I have not read of anyone trying MAOI and eating salvia.

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Re: salvia tea [Re: Jaeger]
    #5200437 - 01/19/06 08:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I might try it if i can't find anything about it. I've only got off from salvia twice and with great effort because of my weak ass lungs. Last time I just woke up in the morning and took the maoi so I didn't have to fast. 10 hours seemed to be plenty of time to get all the bad stuff out of my system. Worked great!


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Re: salvia tea [Re: happysun]
    #5200533 - 01/19/06 09:12 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Look into quidding :smile:

If you can't find much about it, I will dig up links from other forums (I stress if you can't find it lol)

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Re: salvia tea [Re: Jaeger]
    #5200840 - 01/19/06 10:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

the difference between the orally active method of quidding and drinking a tea is that salvinorin is not active through the digestive tract. if you drink the tea it goes to your stomach where it is digested. doesnt work... the only reason why some people feel it is that it has to go through their mouth to get to their stomach. you could always gargle it but then whats the point of making the tea.

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Re: salvia tea [Re: crusher101]
    #5201696 - 01/20/06 05:17 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

it is very wasteful but reccommended if you have a cold and a big unused stash of plain leaf.
6 grams of whole plain leaf unchopped stirred in boiling water for 10 mins
drink quickly and ignore foul taste.
goes level 3 maybe flashes of 4 if you are sensitive, nice warmth for 1/2 hour or more.
huge waste, but
you can re-extract the leaves after they dry as water suspension only gets 20%of the salvinorin which may be knocked off by stirring - salvinorin is not soluble in water.


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Re: salvia tea [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5202157 - 01/20/06 09:41 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm boiling the water right now, I'm gonna use about 2.5 grams of plain leaf because that is all I have left. Even though it's a huge waste I still don't mind trying it for the sake of experimentation. Also, the salvia is not whole leaf. It is dried crushed up leaf. Ill let everyone know how it went a bit later.

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Re: salvia tea [Re: chodamunky]
    #5202178 - 01/20/06 09:47 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Why make an infusion? Just put the 2.5g in a tiny bit of water (cold!) inside a cup/mug and knock it back in one. Your body has a digestion process that will beat hot water anyday in breaking the compounds up. Plus you'll kill half of the active ingredients. As with smoking.

You're better off chewing all of the broken leaves in your mouth for 10 minutes at the least. A bit like chomping on a nice flavoursome bit of steak that you don't want to swallow just yet.


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Re: salvia tea [Re: Xenophobic]
    #5202469 - 01/20/06 11:42 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

too bad about the crushed leaves
anyway, after you drink your tea you can dry the material and it is 80% potent for smoking.

drinking the material in a slurry is an option, the whole problem with oral routes is not digestion it is threashold.

when you smoke you get from 4 to 10 mocrograms into your blood per second and over 30 seconds to a minute it threasholds nicely to an appreciable effect.

this is due to the huge and effective absorption surface of the lungs.

in the oral route nothing can absorb that quickly, the. best you can do is flush it through the system and hope for contact against many absorptive surfaces, after about 15 minutes - if you are lucky - a good effect might happen. The waxy crystalline nature of salvinorin resists easy absorption in the digestive canal.


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Re: salvia tea [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5202996 - 01/20/06 02:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

okay, here's what I did about 4 hours ago:

poured boiled water into the special tea making mini-kettle I have, where about 2.5 grams of dried, crushed salvia leaf was. For 15 minutes I stirred vigoursly at 3 min intervals. The water turned a brownish color and the smell was actually quite pleasant. Then, using a strainer, I poured the salvia tea into a cup, and squeezed out the juices out of the leaves.

My first sip was not too bad, the taste was strong and super bitter, but not as bad as I thought. Well let me tell you, after 4 gulps, it tasted absolutely terrible. Ugh... I barely finished it, I added a big spoon of sugar mid-way but it didn't help. I was going to attempt chewing on the boiled leaf but by then I was so disgusted I could only try to mask the awful taste by drinking cranberry juices and eating some almonds.

Anyway, I drank the tea on an empty stomach and shortly after I felt a very minor change in perception. by 15 minutes after drinking, i felt relaxed, calm, peaceful, and I lay down and listened to some music with headphones. The effect was very small, at the peask, it felt like coming up after smoking salvia, or just after a hit of weed. No closed-eye visuals, nothing 'trippy'.

I have to conclude, that although the calmness and clarity of thoughts was enjoyable, it is not worth the terrible taste. Someday I'll try this again if I have a good amount of plain leaf lying around, and maybe make a regular tea to try to mask the taste. It was worth the experiment. RIght now I'm drying the salvia beside a desk fan so I can smoke the leaf again, like RGV suggested. And that's that.

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Re: salvia tea [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5203007 - 01/20/06 02:26 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

oops, double post. might as well add:

I also thought of adding some 5x or 10x extract to the plain leaf tea, I assume the effect would of been stronger, but I decided against it since they are a bit more expensive and I didn't feel like wasting good salvia.

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Re: salvia tea [Re: chodamunky]
    #5203566 - 01/20/06 04:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

don't waste the good stuff.
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Re: salvia tea [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5203698 - 01/20/06 05:12 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I have an excellent idea what if you drink the tea combining it with p-glycoprotein inhibitors (like quinidine)so it will allow some build up of actives?

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Re: salvia tea [Re: Jackattack]
    #5204334 - 01/20/06 09:05 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

if the chemical does not help with absorbing dietary waxes it wont help with oral dosing.
the real difference between smoking and eating salvinorin is that it is waxy.
smoked, the vapour is like free molecules and it gets absorbed nicely accross a huge lung surface.
eaten it is a clumpy wax and it may sit for hours on the lining of the gut, or in the mouth.


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