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Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ?
    #5197972 - 01/19/06 06:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Ok its not just to get money but I probably wouldnt sell so much as I am planning (few thousand trips) if money werent invloved .
You see I wish to pay off a debt I owe, and then be free to travel .

Many people where I live would appreciate the shrooms, hmmmmmm .Whats your view of making money for growing shrooms ?

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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Mirth]
    #5198125 - 01/19/06 08:38 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

No matter how you chop it up...in the end...it's illegal.

BUT, people do appreciate the shrooms, and should be free to explore their spirituality. The dilemma becomes "I could just grow them and GIVE them away, but I'm still going through the risk, so I might as well get paid".

I think everyone needs to just grow their own. I don't like the idea of doing something THAT illegal, simply because of the risks involved. Morally I see nothing wrong with it, if the other person is treating the mushroom with the respect it deserves. But if it falls into the hands of stupid kids who will grind it up and put it in the punch bowl at the high school dance, or anythign like that, then it would not be a good thing to provide them. There's no way of really controlling that either.


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #5198177 - 01/19/06 08:58 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

> No matter how you chop it up...in the end...it's illegal.

Hmm... what if I chop it so that I don't live in the United Police States of America? Remember, mushrooms are not illegal everywhere in the world, regardless of what Bush and the DEA would like to believe.


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Seuss]
    #5198199 - 01/19/06 09:04 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If God didn't want drugs to be illegal, he wouldn't have created Republicans! :grin:


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Seuss]
    #5198488 - 01/19/06 10:42 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Seuss said:
> No matter how you chop it up...in the end...it's illegal.

Hmm... what if I chop it so that I don't live in the United Police States of America? Remember, mushrooms are not illegal everywhere in the world, regardless of what Bush and the DEA would like to believe.




Agreed. I was only thinking about the USA. My bad!


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #5199398 - 01/19/06 03:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I know exactly what you mean, I've thought about this myself. Someone told me once when I asked them about this that he thought mushrooms SHOULD be available to the entire world. I mean, in a lot of places they don't grow naturally and people are cut off from the mushroom with all of it's peril and benefits.

I'd feel good knowing that at least people aren't eating poisonous wild shrooms by mistake. By providing a pure product you are actually saving lives!

But you will always be able to depend on other people to abuse a gift. They will flock to you once you become the "Candy Man" and there WILL be negative energy comming into your life because of the Candy Fiends. But there will also be good energy...

I'd bet that the more shrooms you sell the more volitile this flux of energy will be.

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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Mirth]
    #5199709 - 01/19/06 05:41 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

One who grows them will definitely appreciate them more. To flaunt the law so flagrantly would draw no sympathy from the law if you were caught. You could not say it was for personal use. You would face the full penalty of a felony in the U.S. I would teach another the art, but I would not sell.


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5199729 - 01/19/06 05:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I have never had the stomach for such a risk myself. Some people are cut out for it though and I for one am grateful.


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5199759 - 01/19/06 05:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

You would face the full penalty of a felony in the U.S.

The charges ALWAYS assume distribution and no proof other than mere cultivation need be necessary for a conviction on Intent to Distribute. Selling or not selling makes little difference.

Drug penalties are among the few where jurists and prosecutors assume intent or a possible future illegal action hinting they that may have supernatural powers (or that they are actually circumventing REAL laws which require a crime.)


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Mirth]
    #5199760 - 01/19/06 05:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Mirth said:
Ok its not just to get money but I probably wouldnt sell so much as I am planning (few thousand trips) if money werent invloved .
You see I wish to pay off a debt I owe, and then be free to travel .

Many people where I live would appreciate the shrooms, hmmmmmm .Whats your view of making money for growing shrooms ?

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Not knowing where you live I hesitate to debate it's legality.  I spent 4.5 years making a powdered mushroom product with many other healthful herbs (in vegan veggie capsules) and felt my karmic debt was lessened by selling fungi.  I don't really know what to tell you seeing as I seem to be walking a fine line here in my newness anyhow.
But my tummy tells me go for it, be quiet and get it over with as quickly as your tummy tells you to.
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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: lancifer]
    #5199763 - 01/19/06 05:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

As an aside, there seems to be a lot of "Law Abiding" folk here? Overgrow yer government, take the bastards to court, it's not illegal if you can prove otherwise...

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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: lancifer]
    #5199856 - 01/19/06 06:21 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

How do you propose we convince our governtment that it's not illegal? They wrote the laws.


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Swami]
    #5199963 - 01/19/06 06:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

That is incorrect. Possesion is dealt with (in Kentucky) as it is with marijuana with marijuana being the guideline. Possesion of a small amount would be a misdemeanor.


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: lancifer]
    #5199969 - 01/19/06 06:47 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I take it you are often in court proving the government wrong? What was the last case you won, I would love to hear of it.


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5200009 - 01/19/06 07:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If you were doing one massive grow for a lifetime supply for yourself and got caught; you would be convicted of intent to distribute with no proof of any intent discounting amount.


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Swami]
    #5201640 - 01/20/06 04:41 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

True.


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5202141 - 01/20/06 09:36 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Cheers dudes, I am not yet in the position to start the mass grow. However it is looking likely. Basically I will have a flat to just my self, and plan to make all of the special stuff and store it outside in wooded areas(after extraction), dismantle all the growing apparatus and remove all paraphenalia. - Then sell it .
I will have to disconnect myself from personal gain before I start selling it. I have been thinking about how much I would make/sell if there were no laws (I dont live in america but still the rulers dont allow it) and if I were to make no money and you know I would still make loads .
Thanks again .Of course if I do go ahead with it then I'll make a log which I'll post after I've sorted it all out .Should be fun .I really dont generally worry about the law, so long as I am doing good, then whatever will be will be - If my intention is clear then what the rulers think doesnt affect me .

May you all find peace .


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Mirth]
    #5202376 - 01/20/06 11:00 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Good attitude.  :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: Morality , Karmik-Nature, ethicality of growing shrooms to make money ? [Re: Mirth]
    #5204182 - 01/20/06 08:08 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

If you're dead set on doing it you'd be wise to grow tons BEFORE you start pushing them. And don't keep supplies and bags full of the stuff in your apartment when you are done. Dont be the lazy greedy guy.


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