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Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now
    #520181 - 01/14/02 07:28 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #520680 - 01/14/02 04:43 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #520719 - 01/14/02 05:21 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

A few comments (but first, isn't this off-topic for the vendors forum? I know a couple like Ryche have said they'll stop by Suggestions once a week or so...)

2) Searches of non-fungi related sites would be useful to let you know if vendors selling accessories are ripping you off. You'll almost always pay more at a site doing a specialized business than a general one, but you also may be willing to pay more to support our vendors.

5) Only vendor opinions are relevant as to whether or not a suggestion is worth implementing?

6) If you lock a thread just because some schmuck posts pr0n, that's a great way for someone (cough) to shut down a thread they don't like. I think it would be better to just delete obviously off-topic pr0n. Sorta like a flamewar (oh no, people are getting insulting, let's shut them down so they go to ANOTHER possibly useful thread and kill IT too.) As for language, it doesn't bother me. Everyone judges others on how they present themselves, I see no reason to explicitly say "bad words are naughty!" and take action against people who swear. I don't even read OTD, so no comment.

7) I like. Not sure if this is the place to host it, but a collaborative entheogen/research news site would be sweet. I think it should be run somewhere with less of an iron fist when it comes to crimethink.

8) Perhaps a vendors-bitching-at-vendors forum? You seem to want to prevent strife, I'd rather just be able to ignore it. An "ignore" feature so that we could implicitly not view the posts from specified members would be more useful to me.

9) Nice idea, but fails in practice. I use the Anonymizer - my visible IP is 168.143.112.7. Anybody else using the Anonymizer would have the same one, and that also applies to other web proxies. Also useless for those on dialups.

10) Amen.

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #520779 - 01/14/02 06:31 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

1.  The Hawks Eye is in the process of a huge overhaul. I plan to be finished by no later then the end of April.
Can I just post videos for the teks ?? :smile: Building a nice looking website and posting lots of pictures, videos, teks etc... is a lot of work and very time consuming. Maybe I should spend less time building such a nice website and learning video editing and just worry about shipping orders every day since that what ppl seem more interested in...how fast they get their order :sad:


2. That is a very good idea. One of the common emails I seem to get  is where to get vermiculite on line. If anyone has been keeping up on that question, please PM me.

3. Another good idea...sounds like a lot of work to make those 2 happen but i'm sure there are some very intelligent ppl here that can put 2 & 3 together.

6. No porn...??/ Ok...how about just "good porn" ....we all love porn .. just not the sick shit.  je je je....J/K

9. That is a great idea i've been hoping would happen for a very long time.... to bad it cant be done. I hear ppl with WEB TV all have the same IP address as well. Certainly there must be "some" way around this ?


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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #520799 - 01/14/02 06:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Tracking IP addresses would create paranoia. The tracking of your IP adress can lead to all the info law enforcement needs to find you. Granted they could easily get the info if they really wanted it, but let's not give them a list from which to work with. I don't see this as an option when dealing with many of the illegal activities discussed on this board. The last thing I would want is to know this place is tracking IP addresses. It would not be worth the risk. Not for the purpose of making sure banned people stayed banned. The words "tracking IP address" strikes fear in many of us for darn good reasons.

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #520852 - 01/14/02 07:39 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, nice post enter... But just curious why its in the vendor forum, I'll leave it here since you make points for the vendors. But you may consider posting this as well in the suggestion forum...

1. Agreed, but I think most of the sites are doing a great job.

2. Might be a bit complicated to do this, it would involve a lot of work to put something like this up. But its definately an interesting idea.

3. Great idea. Problem is that this BB software doesn't support such things, we can however suggest this to the developers and hope they add it to future upgrades.

4. I like this idea. Spring Sales, etc.... Everyone loves promotions. :wink:

5. Contrary to what some may think, I love suggestions, even though I may not agree with some I still love to see people caring enough about this place to suggest how to improve it.

6. OT is an open playground basicly, we allow porn within the law, I know it isn't always pretty but thats what OT is famous for... Maybe you'd like another forum like OT thats moderated and has rules about conduct? That idea was thrown around recently.

7. There is something in the works concerning 'news' and that sort of thing... I know people have heard the Shroomery is getting a facelift, it is still happening, albeit a little slowly right now...

8. Vendors have been warned, as have users who provoke vendors for the sake of starting trouble. It takes two to tango.

9. We can't log IPs, this was an issue that was heatedly debated about 2yrs ago.. Basicly people are too paranoid and they want to protect their privacy, as do we. Proving puppet accounts is difficult, so unless we track IPs there is little we can do. We regularily remove unused accounts (0 post accounts) and duplicate accounts.... Otherwise we'd probably be over 15,000 registered nicks.

10. Well said, couldn't agree more.. :smile:

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #521044 - 01/14/02 10:22 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

wow, I clicked on the link, and while waiting for it to load, I hear in the background:
Now ladies and gentlemen, the top 10 list!"
Sill ass Letterman and his perfect timing!


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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: Thor]
    #521052 - 01/14/02 10:32 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

We can't log IPs, this was an issue that was heatedly debated about 2yrs ago..




Hehe, don't you mean to say:
In reply to:

we tried that secretly for a while, somebody found out and a lot of people got pissed and got proxies quick


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IP loggings not cool.
The others are great ideas. Don't let them die. Especially the news thing coordinating with other communities. There's also a really cool psychedelics magazine that Barnes and Nobles gets sometimes, they'd be cool to work with. Too bad i don't know the name...
Get to work, you've got some fires to light under a buncha asses if you want it to work, but I think it's worth it. Hell, give me the first assignment for the news thing.


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I just looked at my profile and realized I had a website at one point in time on geocities, it's not there anymore and I have no idea what I had on it. Anybody remember my website from several years aga? PM if so please.

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #521095 - 01/14/02 11:04 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #521183 - 01/15/02 12:43 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like we got ourselves a Nazi on our hands

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: Thor]
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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #521627 - 01/15/02 07:56 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't read the rest but have to comment.

Vendors stand out more to YOU, because you have some sort of weird vendor fetish, this is not intended as a flame, it's just my observation since you mention vendors or kits in every post. I for one have no use for any of the vendors, I mean sure, I've ordered spores before, and even ordered 1000 filter disks from Mycosupply, but now I have more strains/species that I have time to work with. And see no point in paying the vendors 10 times what I pay for my equipment/supplies.

IP logging is the wierdest thing I could imagine being suggested by a non cop.

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: slither]
    #521961 - 01/16/02 02:09 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #522045 - 01/16/02 04:11 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Yea man, what I'm trying to say is. I know it doesn't look like it or sound like it but I'm actually trying to help. I find your vendor deal extremely weird so maybe I come off abbrasive.

What I'm saying is ebay, feed stores, hardware stores, agar work make vendors completely useless. I'm sure you will see the light eventually, I'm just trying to send you in the right direction. I'm tired so can't go into alot of detail. I know everyone can't make their own compost like I do for lack of space, but just common stuff like oyster shells, lime, etc cost $5 for a 50lb bag at the fees store, wheat grain cost $6 for 50lb bag, rye costs $8-12 for 50lb bag. Etc, etc, I have no special hookups for these prices.

Ebay can be an amazing place for lab equipment, I mean serious stuff. There's nothing wrong with being a vendor or ordering from vendors when desperate, I do it also, just got my order from FP, but why keep talking abou it. This stuff is cheap, it's not hard to find, no point in paying retail unless you have to, my $319 at FP bacti-cinerator cost me $20, I had another that I sold for $75. I'd like to see a vendor sell me that.

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: slither]
    #522069 - 01/16/02 04:59 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

That's the same philosophy that killed all the mom and pop shops. It's not inherently wrong, and in fact has many good points, but where's the fun in that? :wink:


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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: Ulysees]
    #522570 - 01/16/02 02:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

first off who are you enter to tell anyone to how to behave? if i want to post porn or have a couple sluts licking each other ill have it. where the fuck did political correctness move into the OMC?

if you want a bunch of hippys and wanna bes and other lame ppl goto mycotopia. they LOVE weirdos there.i dont see the point of trying to push shit back to the 60s. since when did ppl like us want to rely on the govt or similar to censor shit?

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #522587 - 01/16/02 03:05 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Lets see if I have this right. It's not OK for young people to view porn, but you have no trouble with them doing shrooms?

Can you explain the logic to me?


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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #522600 - 01/16/02 03:24 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #522644 - 01/16/02 04:23 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Yea, Anno kicks ass, always sharing info, and the $3 print/culture deal was great. Ralphster also kicks ass w/ all he's done with the FSR. Sporeworks is great for all the work they do with exotics. Micron Magic is cool for getting everyone on filter disks( 1 year ago maybe 1% of the OMC used filter disks at most) But as far as supplies, there is noone offering anything unique or hard to find IMO, when someone does that, they'll have my respect.

The ones who REALLY kick ass are the ones that aren't here to sell ANYTHING and just help people day in and day out, I do this on another board, Teonan Kicks ass, Puscle comes to mind, I'm sure there's more, but to be honest I avoid the basic cult forum here.

All the supply vendors I see associated with this site are gouging psilocybe growers, I'm speaking mainly of the one with the Feed store inventory and ones that sell compost, Mycelium fruits and Mycosupply are alright, but I've been hoping that mycosupply would expand their inventory though there's not much left for me to get other than things like Filter patch bags which I will be ordering from the factory.

As far as porn and shit, man who cares, you can't control a site this big, if you don't like OTD, don't go to it. Sure some of the biggotry and racism may reflect bad upon shroomers, but like they said in a recent FF debate, "it's all about free speech and they aren't changing it". Many of us aren't here to learn cultivation, many in OTD care nothing about cultivation, and some like me would love to learn something new, but can't find anything new especially when they have to sift through all the basic stuff in Advanced cult. If ya wanna master cultivation get TMC and GGMM, Stamets understood mushroom/psilocybe cultivation better 20 yrs ago then the whole OMC put together. Most any of us that are good learned it all from him.

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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: slither]
    #522655 - 01/16/02 04:34 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Well unlike you not all of the people here need a case of petri's a month of 3.3 cubic yards of peat, or 100 pound of compost at a time.

For a guy who claims to use mushrooms to teach by the looks of your alledged inventory you must be teach all the young kids in a tri-state area.

And is this where your alledge 10,000.00 a day income is from.
Help me out teacher I am confused are you saying we all should by in bulk to grow a little personal or should we all start growing bulk so we have an excuse to save a little money??

I think what it boils down to is you bitch to much and do to little we have all at one point and time said to you directly WE DO NOT NEED A CASE OF PETRI"S or the rest of the shit some people don't have pressure cookers what is wrong with helping them out?? and get some money for my time??

Unfortunatly we are not getting rich growing shrooms we do it as a hobby and not as an educational tool or a source of income.

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Alright, the shroomery thief is here [Re: dimitri211]
    #522668 - 01/16/02 04:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Hey spamitri. Nice to see the newbie vendor pop in. FYI, I grow gourmets, the only psilocybes I currently have in the works are weilii on many different substrates and a few strains of cubes all on experimental substrates.

Anyways, nice to see you repay my kindness of teaching you how to make compost and giving you a link to the place you now get your Filter patch bags http://www.unicornbags.com/ and answering many of your other newbie questions along the way. I also noticed that you took my hint on the Amycel spawn mate, that really wasn't meant to help a crook like you to make 20 times your money on it, just letting people know it was nothing new. http://amycel.com/products.html

See spamitri, I can pay $5-$6 for a 50lb bag of oyster shell and even if I old use 1 pound of it and dump the rest in my yard it is still cheaper than buying 1 lb from you w/ shipping. Why do you need to make $94 on one bag of oyster shell that cost $6 spamitri??? All I'm trying to do is help, If I was a drug dealer like you say, I'd be out doing that, not here trying to save my fellow shroomers from getting burned.

Anyways, keep on attacking spamitri, I'll break down the markup structure on your whole inventory. Might even get the urge to cut EVERY one of your prices in half just for spite, which would be VERY easy to do and still make a KILLING.

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Re: Alright, the shroomery thief is here [Re: slither]
    #522689 - 01/16/02 05:07 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I did not even bother to read that your lies and bullshit have gone far enough. NOT all of us are die hard shroom growers like you and the other flaming 5 fags..

About 6 months back you claimed to grow cubs for education now it gourmet.

I am sorry you can not get it straight your true colors show when you are called out huh??

Anyways, keep on attacking spamitri, I'll break down the markup structure on your whole inventory. Might even get the urge to cut EVERY one of your prices in half just for spite, which would be VERY easy to do and still make a KILLING.

Your girl camel tried that and was told the same thing not all of can keep 50 pounds of oyster shell around the house dorm etc...

If you are such a die hard gourmet grower why are you here?? Why is the most of your post about psilocybes??

No go grab the girls and let flame.

You are pathetic you can't give a straight answer to anything can you??

Well I am sorry Everyone because slither said so you should buy in bulk from now on to save some money.
Even though you only need 1/2 pound crushed oyster shell buy 50 pounds and dump the rest.

Fuck off you ignorant little brat.

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Re: Alright, the shroomery thief is here [Re: slither]
    #522698 - 01/16/02 05:20 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Here check this out from one of you girls who tried the same shit, ignorant FOOL

I am tired as well as many others of you, and your flaming 5 faggot crew, coming to our board to talk shit you only offer critism to any post you do make (when you are not stalking little kids to deal shrooms to.)

Why bother coming here??

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Re: Alright, the shroomery thief is here [Re: dimitri211]
    #522729 - 01/16/02 05:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

How come you purposely try to turn every post that exposes the truth into a flame war to get it closed? You think people can't see through that????

And I didn't realize people weren't allowed to grow both psilocybes and gourmets, sorry about that, the only reason I even bother with psilocybes is for fun and because I like them fresh, I quit needing more quite awhile back.

What in the hell is anyone going to do with 1/2lb of oyster shell????? or 1lb of lime????? what use it on one casing then reorder from you next week?.....You wish.

As I told you before, I'll come here if I want, and since I am here to help the community, obviously I am gaining nothing by this personally other than wasting my time.

I know it would be real nice for you if everyone would just forget about you posting customers addresses, knocking mycosupply when you first started, just being downright trashy in your replys, and needing a 1000% markup while claiming to help the community, but it's not gonna happen, especially until you change your attitude.

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Re: Alright, the shroomery thief is here [Re: slither]
    #522742 - 01/16/02 06:13 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Why is it you feel you need to force your views on people??

You've been exposed and now I see you trying to start the flame I am as well as many others are tired of your views we as people can make our own decisions your bring nothing to this community.
I here and see more compplaints about you and the flaming five faggots than I do of anyone else here.
Is this how you teach by forcing you boys to see mushrooms your way.
"some teacher"
I believe you are a drug dealer and are stalking others here (looking for clientel" I take it)

You are not god you are an abusive person do you beat your wife/girlfriend so she will see things your way??

I have no problem with what you say I have never denied not making a profit but it is not near as much as you claim. Get a fucking clue. If we wanted your opinion we would ask and until the stop forcing others to see things your way.

We are old enough to make our own decisions and do not need your views.
I put a lot more time and money in preparing the items I have and the only ones to complain are you and the flaming 5 faggots.

No one who has ever ordered from me has had a complaint.

I DID NOT see you comlaining when BP was trying to seel spawn mate for 4 dollars an ounce or McMan for 12.00 an oz. I think you are in love with me the way you stalk me.
I do not like GUYS get it through your head pervert you can not luer me into your bs like you could with your "students"

Anyway I have more than said my piece and called a spade a spade more than I needed to now go back to the classroom (or the little boys locker room or whatever it is you do)

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Re: Alright, the shroomery thief is here [Re: dimitri211]
    #522779 - 01/16/02 07:03 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Lol, get a grip man.  You're a fucking trip and a half, man I usually like tripped out people, but you're just weird, ya just make up weird shit and expect people to believe it :smile:

Anyways, you are not "we", you hadn't even seen a psilocybe 6 months ago, the majority of the shroomery obviously doesn't realize the kind of markup you have or noone would comment on your prices being good.  All I have to say is beware about giving unstable people your address.

I don't wanna start a flame war, I think this post should stay open, I'm not a vendor, have nothing to sell, so my reputation among people that can't understand what I'm saying isn't important to me at all,  Zilch.  I have plenty of influential friends in the OMC can get prints or cultures of any strain or species at any time for free(have most), so why would I want this thread closed?? 

You keep trying to act like I have ulterior motives here, I have none, just happen to take mycology pretty seriously(maybe too much :smile: ) and see no point in future hobbiests slowing down their progression in the hobby by spending 10 times what they would be paying for stuff, especially low end, easy to find stuff.

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Re: Alright, the shroomery thief is here [Re: slither]
    #522799 - 01/16/02 07:23 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

It seems it's only the bulk growers who seem to whine. Again I did not read your post because it is most likly the same bullshit.

You have been trying this shit for 6-7 months and it has gotten you know where you seem to be more concerned that anyone else Lana and I don't have a problem with what happened but you seem to( I think Lnan is a big girl and does not need your help) nor does nectbanous.

Your like an old lady you look for reasons to start shit.
And when anyone says anything you accuse them trying to start a flame war so the thread get's closed could you be more pathetic??
There is no reason to close the thread most of vendors are used to you and your threats and your constant badgering.
You attack ryche hawk because he has products that are to expensive you say you attack me because you are all out an idiot.

But if it benifits you then the cost can be high as hell and you will defend it.

If you are such a gracious host get a web-site and compete don't sit and attack me because you dislike me as a person.

It is obvious that your life consist of sitting here and finding reasons to whine.
You and the flaming 5 having been attacking me repeatedly for many months everyone here has seen through you and the crew.

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Re: Alright, the shroomery thief is here [Re: dimitri211]
    #522818 - 01/16/02 07:34 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Man I couldn't understand any of that. Seems like an "attorny" would know how to spell and form sentances. Whatever happened with that anyways?

My only problems with any other vendors other than you was ryche hawk PROMISING to post the DB recipe and stringing along the OMC for about 6-8 months before he finally said he decided not too, and I believe the excuse he gave was not wanting to give it out for other vendors to make it so sell since you were offering compost. So you cost the OMC quite a bit there, and I can understand Ryche's position on that.

Anyways, I'm done for the night, got work to do. Have fun!

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Re: Alright, the shroomery thief is here [Re: slither]
    #522824 - 01/16/02 07:38 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Again I am not going to waste my time reading your BS.
You and the flaming five faggits are the only people around who seem to have a problem with something that is none of your business.
I see your still relying on lies to better your image.

It was a one eyed one horned well you know the rest.
Go spread lies elsewhere

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Invisibledimitri211
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Re: Alright, the shroomery thief is here [Re: slither]
    #522830 - 01/16/02 07:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Let's use the facts instead of the ficticious shit you come up with


The facts you fool I do what I can to help out you spout your lies and BS


I am now and forever will be more than you and you have a problem with it.
You are more than welcome to verify anything about me that you wish but instead you continue to spout lies.
You are a fool and have been made to look like one

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InvisibleAssHumper10K
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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: World Spirit]
    #524396 - 01/18/02 10:17 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

This may be of intrest to you. Found it online. May sell it myself. It would be teriffic for this comunity.



I call it "The Vendor Ass-Juicer"
For those who can't get enough vendor ass.
Top o the morning or top off your day with a glass of fresh squeezings.



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Free ass juicings with every fart suck!
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Invisiblejim2
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Posts: 204
Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: AssHumper10K]
    #524534 - 01/18/02 12:36 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

does that come in extra large? there's some pretty big asses around here!

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Offlinedioze1
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Re: Top 10 Ways To Improve Our Community Right Now [Re: jim2]
    #524545 - 01/18/02 12:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

How you people can fuck up a thread that is intended on being helpful is BEYOND me. Upon request from other members and the Obvious fact that thread has gone to shit it is being locked.
Dioze1


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