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Catalysis
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EEG Analysis of Chemically Assisted Ultra-Conscious States
#5200579 - 01/19/06 09:27 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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EEG is a method of sensing electromagnetic neural rhythms, best known as alpha, beta, delta, and theta waves.
I know this has previously been used to study the effects of mind-altering drugs but I have always questioned the validity of such studies. Any seasoned tripper knows that the "ego loss" state is not experienced every time a drug is taken and many people will do psychedelic drugs but never experience a state which qualifies for anything more significant than a study on motor skill impairment.
I once knew a person who tripped dozens of times before actually experiencing ego-loss and the state of "genius" as he called it. Since then he has partook dozens more times and experienced a similar state three more times.
This, and other evidence leads me to believe that proper mind-spectrum data has not been obtained for true ultra-conscious states (lat. ultra- beyond).
To this end, I will be constructing a basic 2-channel EEG digital system following the design at The Open EEG Project to embark on my own studies of people who are on psychedelic drugs. The system is kind of cheap but its all I can afford to start out with. If anyone has experience with this, let me know.
The goal is to actually record a bona fide transcendental experience and the subsequent mindstate or "footprint" that it leaves for the following 8-12 hours. This will involve sitting with people through many experiences until you see one which fits a certain number of qualifications. The qualifications will ensure that this is a chemically assisted, beneficial state and not just intoxication.
What do you think?
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Re: EEG Analysis of Chemically Assisted Ultra-Conscious States [Re: Catalysis]
#5204802 - 01/20/06 10:53 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very interested in seeing what you come up with. This kind of thing is what actually brought me here to the Shroomery in the first place and what many of my first posts were about.
I wanted to devise a battery of tests to evaluate different effects of psychedelics on the mind and body.
One of my hundreds of partially completed projects.
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Re: EEG Analysis of Chemically Assisted Ultra-Conscious States [Re: Catalysis]
#5214084 - 01/23/06 01:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you aware that you can create these alpha, beta, delta, and theta brainstates by flashing LEDs at the correct frequency?
Just a thought!
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Re: EEG Analysis of Chemically Assisted Ultra-Conscious States [Re: Ego Death]
#5223737 - 01/25/06 09:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is interesting danoEoboy. You can also, supposedly, do the same with sound. I have a brain-wave generator that is supposed to change your brain-wave state. I wonder if you can combine the two.
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Re: EEG Analysis of Chemically Assisted Ultra-Conscious States [Re: Darcho]
#5225173 - 01/26/06 08:21 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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All of those mind machines I've seen combine both light and sound.
I had one years ago called the "Learning Machine" I think. It was a really cool experience but unfortunately I never got to try it while under the influence of psychedelics. I'm not sure that they would have done anything though as I discovered it is likely impossible to be hypnotized while tripping.
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Re: EEG Analysis of Chemically Assisted Ultra-Conscious States [Re: Ego Death]
#5228267 - 01/26/06 08:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
danoEoboy said: Are you aware that you can create these alpha, beta, delta, and theta brainstates by flashing LEDs at the correct frequency?
Just a thought!
Yep, the changes are very subtle but this shows the sensitivity of these methods is usually very good. Really, any sensory input can show up on an EEG depending on the person and their mental state. I have been digging around and I am finding various ways to process EEG data besides just amplitude. I think that these methods may give more insight into the syncronization events that occur in higher mental states.
I am going to build a four channel device using 2x 2 channel analog boards and an A/D board for data transmission to the computer. This will allow me to get an rough idea of where the signals are originating. Nothing compared to a 32-channel machine of course, which can generate a 3D image of the brain and map signals by triangulation.
I will post a step-by-step in a new thread as soon as I gather the components. (about a month or so)
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Re: EEG Analysis of Chemically Assisted Ultra-Conscious States [Re: Catalysis]
#5228581 - 01/26/06 09:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you mainly interested in the building phase of this project or the resultant testing?
One of those is only $200. If your interested in going this route, let me know. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll...=eeg&category0=
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Re: EEG Analysis of Chemically Assisted Ultra-Conscious States [Re: HagbardCeline]
#5232877 - 01/27/06 08:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I saw that but it is just ancient analog equipment that needs to be connected to a plotter (also they are untested). Some of it is pretty cool though like the GRASS neurodata machine for $400. I just need digital output for what I want to do with the data.
The openEEG 2-channel component boards are sold for about $200. I think that I can build a 4-channel device for less with high-quality parts though. I would probably pay $200 for a nice fully assembled 4-channel EEG as I am more interested in testing than building. However, I will build if that is what it takes and it should be interesting.
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