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So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape..
#5199989 - 01/19/06 06:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you think the US should have accepted a truce?
Do you think this is a result of the much-publicized Pakistan operation?
Do you think they are really finishing up plans for attacks in the US?
US on bin Laden tape: no negotiations
By Deborah ZabarenkoThu Jan 19, 5:45 PM ET
The United States dismissed on Thursday a conditional truce offered in a tape attributed to Osama bin Laden and said it "does not negotiate with terrorists."
Vice President Dick Cheney said that the offer from the al Qaeda leader appeared to be a ploy but that it was too early to draw conclusions.
The audiotape, aired by Arab television station Al Jazeera, also warned al Qaeda was preparing new attacks inside the United States.
"Clearly the al Qaeda leaders and other terrorists are on the run, they're under a lot of pressure. We do not negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters.
"The terrorists started this war and the president made it clear that we will end it at a time and place of our choosing. We continue to pursue all those who seek to do harm to the American people," he said.
A CIA official said U.S. intelligence analysts believed the voice on the tape -- the first from bin Laden since 2004 -- belonged to the al Qaeda leader.
In it, bin Laden warned of new attacks inside the United States.
But he said al Qaeda was willing to "respond" to U.S. public opinion in favor of withdrawing troops from Iraq. Bin Laden did not specify conditions for the truce, but indicated that it was linked to U.S. troops quitting Iraq.
Asked about the truce offer, Cheney told Fox News in an interview: "I'm not sure what he's offering by way of a truce. I don't think anybody would believe him ... It sounds to me like it's some kind of a ploy, but again not having seen the entire text or validated the tape and the timing of it, I'm reluctant to draw any conclusions."
"This is not an organization that's ever going to sit down and sign a truce. I think you have to destroy them," he said.
GAUGING THE THREAT
Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman Michelle Petrovich said the agency had no plans to raise the country's security alert level in response to the tape's release.
Roger Cressey, a former White House counterterrorism official under President George W. Bush, called the truce offer a "red herring" designed to make bin Laden look reasonable in the eyes of U.S. and Muslim public opinion.
But he said the tape was significant after such a prolonged absence of messages from bin Laden, which had led to speculation he might be ill, injured or even dead.
"By issuing a tape which we have to assume is current, the bumper sticker here is: bin Laden's not irrelevant yet," Cressey said.
State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said analysts typically checked tapes such as these for any threat indicators and clues that might help in the hunt for members of al Qaeda.
Cheney told Fox that in addition to authenticity, the key question was when the tape was made. Al Jazeera said the tape dated from January.
Cheney said U.S. officials did not yet know whether there was any link between the tape and an airstrike last Friday aimed at al Qaeda's second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahri.
Pakistani officials said Zawahri did not appear to be hit in the strike, which killed at least 18 people including women and children.
(Additional reporting by David Morgan, Caroline Drees, and Paul Eckert)
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Catalysis]
#5200080 - 01/19/06 07:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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To me, this is a shocking development.
The same man who publicly claimed responsibility for the 9/11 attacks now offers a truce? He is basically admitting defeat. The man was scorned by democrats and republicans alike in the US. Does this mean Bush's strategy is working and bin Laden is becoming unpopular or is this part of some other scheme?
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Catalysis]
#5200212 - 01/19/06 07:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like bullshit to me. Do you actually trust the CIA and their so called intelligence? You know how well they have done in the past....
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Darcho]
#5200245 - 01/19/06 08:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I Concur, you notice how this surfaces only after our military offense on innocent people in pak. the picture is in no way even bin laden (younger). Our government is out of controll and is doing anything and everything to keep the american people believing them and supporting them. And don't forget who oversees the media. Television makes it capable to decieve and influence we americans why do you think everybody has one.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: wildwestkcmo]
#5200252 - 01/19/06 08:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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the picture is in no way even bin laden (younger).
It was an audio tape...
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: wildwestkcmo]
#5200253 - 01/19/06 08:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Flip through Mein Kampf, and read the section usually titled "Education of the Masses."
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Catalysis]
#5200271 - 01/19/06 08:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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theyve been showing video also.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: wildwestkcmo]
#5200440 - 01/19/06 08:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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wildwestkcmo said: theyve been showing video also.
No, its just an audio tape.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: wildwestkcmo]
#5200679 - 01/19/06 09:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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They've been showing an old video with the audio in case we've forgotten what Osama looked like.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Catalysis]
#5200915 - 01/19/06 11:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Terrible idea to give into his demands. He needs to put something on the table besides his word. The last thing the US needs to do is be seeing negotiating. All that will accomplish is many more attacks, kidnappings, and bombings in hopes of persuading the masses to pressure their leaders into surrendering.
Whether we appease or not, this will not stop their methods. Next they will blow some shit up and demand that we withdraw ALL troops from the middle east. Not a bad thing necessarily, but we can not be seen as pushovers.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: daimyo]
#5200939 - 01/19/06 11:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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daimyo said: Terrible idea to give into his demands. He needs to put something on the table besides his word. The last thing the US needs to do is be seeing negotiating. All that will accomplish is many more attacks, kidnappings, and bombings in hopes of persuading the masses to pressure their leaders into surrendering.
Whether we appease or not, this will not stop their methods. Next they will blow some shit up and demand that we withdraw ALL troops from the middle east. Not a bad thing necessarily, but we can not be seen as pushovers.
Indeed. Al Qaida won't give up until the whole world converts to Islam, sad to say.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Learyfan]
#5201183 - 01/20/06 12:00 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sadly 99% of people will believe it's real.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Catalysis]
#5201569 - 01/20/06 03:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Catalysis said: "A CIA official said U.S. intelligence analysts believed the voice on the tape -- the first from bin Laden since 2004 -- belonged to the al Qaeda leader."
ya, and the CIA intelligence also believed that the guy on the tape who said Al Qaeda was behind 911 was Bin Laden.
come on, seriously, wake up people.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Catalysis]
#5201808 - 01/20/06 06:52 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think he is playing political games, he is offering a truce that he would never uphold and knows the US would never accept.
I suspect this statement could be a prelude to an planned attack, which I sincerely hope fails.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: psilomonkey]
#5201978 - 01/20/06 08:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is your governments way of telling you that there IS going to be another attack. And what will be the result? More security, less freedom. More Patriot Act, more civilian spying, etc....
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Darcho]
#5201999 - 01/20/06 08:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find it out of character for Bin Laden to suggest a truce. That is fundamentally against the notion of jihad, the very act he insights.....
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: moog]
#5202419 - 01/20/06 11:18 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Al-Qaeda Leader Osama Bin Laden in New Audio-Recording Threatens New Attacks in the US Following are excerpts from Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's latest audio recording, which was aired by Al-Jazeera TV on January 19, 2006.
Osama bin Laden: My message to you refers to the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan, and how to bring about its end. I did not intend to talk with you about this subject because for us, the matter has been decided. Only iron can defeat iron. Our situation, Allah be praised, is getting better and better, while it is the opposite with your situation.
But what has led me to speak is the repeated words of deception by your president Bush, in his interpretation of the results of public opinion polls among you, which showed that the overwhelming majority of your public wants to withdraw the forces from Iraq ? but (Bush) opposed this and said that withdrawing the forces would convey the wrong message to the adversaries, and that it is preferable for us to fight them on their soil, rather than for them to fight us on our soil.
My answer to these words of deception is: The war in Iraq is raging without cessation, and the (military) operations in Afghanistan are constantly escalating - to our advantage, Allah be praised. The Pentagon figures indicate a rise in the number of your dead and wounded, in addition to the huge material damage.
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I say that the poll results please the wise (among you), and that Bush's rejection of these results is a mistake, and that reality shows that the war against America and its allies has not remained limited to Iraq, as he claims, but rather, that Iraq has become a source of attraction and recruitment of qualified people.
On the other hand, Allah be praised, the mujahidun have managed repeatedly to break through all security measures taken by the oppressing coalition countries. Proof of this is the bombings you have witnessed in the capitals of the most important European countries that are members of this hostile coalition.
As for the delay in similar operations in America ? this has not been due to any inability to break through your security measures. The operations are being prepared, and you will witness them, in your own land, as soon as the preparations are complete, Allah willing.
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Based on what I've said, it can clearly be seen that Bush's words are false, but what he refrained from saying ? and this is the essence of the poll results, which favor troop withdrawal - is that it is better that we do not fight the Muslims on their soil, and they will not fight us on our soil. We have no objection to responding to you, regarding a long-term cease fire under fair conditions, which we will uphold. We are a nation forbidden by Allah to betray and lie. Under such a cease fire, both sides will enjoy security and stability, and we will build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed by the war. There is nothing wrong with this solution, except that it will prevent the flow of hundreds of billions to people of influence and to the merchants of war in America, who supported Bush's elections campaign with billions of dollars.
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In conclusion, I say to you that the war will be won either by us or by you. If it's the former, loss and disgrace will be your lot for all eternity, and, Allah be praised, this is the way the wind is blowing. If it is the latter, you should read the history (books). We are a nation that does not remain silent over injustice, and we seek blood vengeance all life long. Not (many) days and nights will pass before we take blood vengeance, like we did on 9/11 ? Allah willing.
If your minds remain worn out and your lives remain miserable, things will progress towards that which you hate. As for us ? we have nothing to lose. He who swims in the sea does not fear the rain. You have occupied our land and violated our honor. You have shed our blood and plundered our property. You have destroyed our homes and banished us. You have harmed our security, and we will pay you back in kind.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#5202648 - 01/20/06 12:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think it's bin laden playing the games I believe it is the u.s. government on it's slow road to tyranny
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: wildwestkcmo]
#5202875 - 01/20/06 01:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/20/doj.nsawiretaps/index.html
Hmmm..., I wonder what would be needed to further justify wiretaps and domestic survelliance. Hmmm..., what could it be....
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5202920 - 01/20/06 02:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe OBL just uses 'jihad' to motivate 20-somethings underneath him. Pre-9/11 he seemed to have different objectives than simply obliterating the western world.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Tao]
#5203516 - 01/20/06 04:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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How far pre-9/11? After the first Iraqi War Osama Bin Laden pretty much had his sights on the West because our military was in Muslim lands.
He also offered a truce to Europe a few months back... Before the British suicide bombings. Not sure if it was before the Madrid bombings.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Darcho]
#5203675 - 01/20/06 05:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Darcho said: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/20/doj.nsawiretaps/index.html
Hmmm..., I wonder what would be needed to further justify wiretaps and domestic survelliance. Hmmm..., what could it be....
You guys act as if these organizations only stike within the US.
What about the Madrid train bombings, the Bali hotel bombings, the Moscow theater crisis, the Chechen school bombing, the suicide attacks that happen on a daily basis in Iraq, people blowing up nightclubs in Israel, the bus attack in London, and all of the other intentional slaughtering of innocent civilians around the world, mostly perpetrated by Arab extremist groups.
I suggest you take a look at the list and come to grips with reality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents
You can argue that certain foreign policies are the cause or whatever, but to think that the US is somehow behind it all is simply ridiculous.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Catalysis]
#5204890 - 01/20/06 11:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Catalysis said: Do you think the US should have accepted a truce?
Of course not.
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Do you think this is a result of the much-publicized Pakistan operation?
Possibly. The possibility of it being a red-herring or just more Osama rantings is also very likely. He's been threatening since 9/11, but he hasn't managed to do much other than make crappy video tapes.
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Do you think they are really finishing up plans for attacks in the US?
Possibly. I don't see why attacks aren't happening constantly. America has to be the easiest country in the civilized world to obtain weapons and bomb ingredients in. I think that our security services are doing a fantastic job.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: MisterMyco]
#5205171 - 01/21/06 12:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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America has to be the easiest country in the civilized world to obtain weapons and bomb ingredients in.
you sure about that..?
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Vvellum]
#5205187 - 01/21/06 12:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Latest Bin Laden Tape: Another of the NeoCons' "Greatest Hits" Experts already begin to come forward with revelations that Latest tape just another CIA fake...
Steve Watson | January 20 2006
Spying? Torture? Illegal airstrikes? SHUT UP and hate Bin Laden.
The NeoCon use of Osama Bin Laden as a tool of fear and control is a tried and tested method whenever the going gets tough. It's predictable and it's tiresome, but the masses buy it every time and that's why he has reappeared once again.
Just as the NSA spying tidal wave gathers increasing momentum, as the media demand more answers on rendition and torture and days after the bizarre airstrike on innocent women and children in Pakistan, we all magically get a timely reminder of just why the government is spying on its own citizens and torturing and killing anyone it likes anywhere in the world.
Just like Orwell's ubiquitous Emmanuel Goldstein, Bin Laden always seems to pop up right on cue so we can disengage our minds from reality and join in the two minutes hate.
We are reliably informed by the mainstream media that this is because he is a very clever man and has an impeccable sense of timing. Yet if this is the case, why can he not work out that EVERYTIME he has released a video or a tape it has HELPED Bush and the NeoCon agenda tenfold?
Even the BBC lays this out in the open with the headline Bin Laden threats may boost Bush:
The commander-in-chief has been under intense pressure in recent weeks, accused of trampling on civil liberties in pursuit of terror suspects. His defence has been that America is a nation at war. So Bin Laden's latest threats to launch new attacks on the US will only serve to underline this argument.
The White House will also cite the tape when trying to convince allies abroad that the use of tough tactics is justified - even when civilians are killed, as in last week's air raid in Pakistan.
That just says it all really.
Bin Laden was created by US intelligence , worked with US intelligence in the late 70s and 80s, was used as a patsy by US intelligence before and after 911 and is now being used as a manipulative tool of fear by the criminal elite faction currently in power in the US.
The last time Bin Laden appeared was October 2004, exactly three days before the election.
The same headline "Boost for Bush" appeared and some, including Walter Conkite went as far as to suggest that the whole thing was manufactured by Karl rove in order to secure the election for Bush.
The Tehran Times suggested that Bin Laden was "dancing to Bush?s tune" and a "premeditated plan devised by Bush administration neoconservatives is unfolding". The report also noted that the CIA immediately confirmed the tape to be the voice of Bin Laden, something they had never previously done. They have also done this this time around too.
Bin Laden personally criticized Bush's reaction on the day of 911, a move that undoubtedly instilled a rejuvenated support for the President amongst the American sheeple.
If Bin Laden is so clever and so calculated and determined to justify himself to the American people, why can he not fathom that a personal attack could only ever help Bush? I thought it was common knowledge that you always steer clear of personal attacks in debates and arguments.
Bush immediately took a six point lead and subsequently won the election.
Of course, we shouldn't find it surprising that Bin Laden consistently helps Bush, after all it was the Bush Administration that allowed all members of the Bin Laden family to fly out of America immediately after 911 whilst all other air traffic was grounded.
It was Bush himself who signed document W199I, ordering the FBI to back off investigating the Bin Ladens before 911.
It was George W Bush who went into business with Bin laden's brother in the 1970s.
It is George W Bush's father who is STILL DOING business with the Bin Ladens via the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm.
FBI Special agent Robert Wright broke down when testifying that he had been gagged and could not reveal the true extent of what he knew about the Bush-Bin Laden connection and 911. his lawyer stepped up and said live on C-Span that "The Bush Family vacations with the Bin Ladens".
The ties run deep and all lead to money, huge amounts of money. This is how the Bushes do business, this is how they have always done business, they own the best enemies money can buy.
Previous to the 2004 election, Bin Laden surfaced on a video on the eve of the two year anniversary of 911. Once again impeccable timing to deliver a video, given that he was reported to be hiding in the mountains of Pakistan.
However, the video was quickly recognized by experts as simply a re-hash of old material cobbled together quickly and so amateurish that it could not have fooled anyone.
Previous to the beginning of the Iraq war, Bin Laden appeared in February 2003 on an audio tape that was touted as proof positive of Al Qaeda links with Saddam Hussein.
In another amazing timing coincidence, the tape came barely a week after Colin powell's attempts to link Al Qaeda and Saddam in his botched presentation of lies and exaggerations before the UN Security Council.
In an even more bizarre twist, just hours before the tape was found and aired by AlJazeera, Colin Powell announced in the US Senate that a ?Bin Laden tape is coming proving Iraq?s links with Al-Qaeda.?
How does Colin Powell know what AlJazeera are going to broadcast before they do?
The tape voiced support for Iraq, but did not prove any link between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi leadership. It was described as dubious at best and at worst as an outright fake.
Previous to this tape a poor quality release in November 2002, deemed to be completely authentic by US Experts, was determined to be a total fake by the Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence in Switzerland.
This time Bin Laden was said to be admitting to recent small scale terror attacks. Yet the voice on the tape was different to around twenty previous recordings of Bin Laden.
And of course, then there is the all time classic Bin Laden video, the number one hit from december 2001. The one we like to call the "Fat nosed" Bin Laden video.
This one was magically found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in. It featured a fat Osama laughing and joking about how he'd carried out 9/11. The video was also mistranslated in order to manipulate viewer opinion and featured "Bin Laden" praising two of the hijackers, only he got their names wrong.
This Osama also uses the wrong hand to write with and wears gold rings, a practice totally in opposition to the Muslim faith.
Despite the fact that the man in the video looks nothing like Bin Laden, the CIA stood by the video whilst many have declared it an outright fake.
And so we come back to this week's tape, Osama's "latest release". Already experts are coming forward to suggest that yet again this is a fake that has been put out at a very convenient time to divert attention away from important events.
Professor Bruce Lawrence has described the tape as "like a voice from the grave".
He thinks bin Laden is dead and has doubts about the tape. Lawrence recently analyzed more than 20 complete speeches and interviews of the al Qaida leader for his book. He says the new message is missing several key elements.
We have previously highlighted the evidence to suggest that Bin Laden is dead. More and more experts are now coming forward with the same opinion. Every time a new tape is released it seems to become shorter and more vague as if whoever is making them is running out of material to work with .
If it is conceivable that there is one group of fundamentalist individuals who wish to change the way we live because "they hate our freedom", then it is equally as conceivable that there is another group of richer, more sophisticated fundamentalists that wish to do the same thing themselves and will use the first group as a cover for what they do.
They have groomed Bin Laden for their own ends and will continue to use his image (whether he is dead or not) until they no longer have a cause to, this is simply another example of his usefulness in the fake war on terror.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Catalysis]
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I don't really know what to say to these latest developments.
I've seen a film called 'Martial Law 9-11: Rise of the Police State' which was put together by a guy named Alex Jones. In the film, it was stated that Osama has close ties to the CIA, and that 9-11 was orchestrated by the American government to gain control over its population by tricking them into giving up their rights.
There were some SERIOUSLY thought provoking points made concerning the Twin Towers... and he seemed to make much reference to BUILDING 7 of the W T C...
I'm looking at the film cover now and there are some sites listed on it...
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Catalysis]
#5205483 - 01/21/06 02:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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What about the Madrid train bombings, the Bali hotel bombings, the Moscow theater crisis, the Chechen school bombing, the suicide attacks that happen on a daily basis in Iraq, people blowing up nightclubs in Israel, the bus attack in London, and all of the other intentional slaughtering of innocent civilians around the world, mostly perpetrated by Arab extremist groups.
You'd have to give each example of which attacks you mean "around the world". Certainly the bomb attacks on Madrid and London were because Spain and the UK supported the US invasion of Iraq. As Bin Laden said - "Why don't we attack Scandinavia?".
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Prajna]
#5205701 - 01/21/06 06:23 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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good stuff Prajna
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Darcho]
#5205709 - 01/21/06 06:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Darcho said: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/20/doj.nsawiretaps/index.html
Hmmm..., I wonder what would be needed to further justify wiretaps and domestic survelliance. Hmmm..., what could it be....
Exactly. Reporting a Bin Laden threat is the best way to quiet criticism about illegal wiretapping.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Learyfan]
#5205731 - 01/21/06 07:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: zappaisgod]
#5205763 - 01/21/06 07:36 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, the government would never do such a thing.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Alex213]
#5205878 - 01/21/06 09:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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You'd have to give each example of which attacks you mean "around the world". Certainly the bomb attacks on Madrid and London were because Spain and the UK supported the US invasion of Iraq. As Bin Laden said - "Why don't we attack Scandinavia?".
You seem to have missed my point entirely.
You guys are arguing that this is all being manufactured by the US, as if Arab extremist groups wouldn't really do this.
I don't see how you can argue this when suicide attacks and video/audio taped communication is pretty much standard operating procedure for not only al-Qaida, but other arab extremist groups as well.
Given this precedent, it is hard to believe your hypothesis that the US is behind this particular event and not all of the other events.
In Beslan, 350 school children were intentionally murdered by savages with the same mentality as the hijackers on 9/11. To argue that all this stuff is being perpetrated by different governments on their own people and all of it happens to be tied back to arab extremists is absurd. I know its cool and trippy to come up with conspiracy theories or whatever, but I think the victims of this shit deserve better than that.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Catalysis]
#5205928 - 01/21/06 09:27 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Trippy" is a great word to describe these thought patterns. As in "You gotta be fucking trippin', man, if you think I'm gonna buy that whacko nonsense."
Just as an aside, he didn't offer a truce, he demanded a surrender. Quite laughable really considering his current Cro-Magnon living conditions.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: zappaisgod]
#5206175 - 01/21/06 11:42 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its not that the US is behind all of it, it just seems as if they are conveniently exploiting it.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5206390 - 01/21/06 01:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: I find it out of character for Bin Laden to suggest a truce. That is fundamentally against the notion of jihad, the very act he insights.....
I heard a discussion about this on NPR and one of the people said that it is a Muslim religious tradition or obligation to offer a truce before you attack someone.
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: Darcho]
#5206489 - 01/21/06 01:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Darcho said: Its not that the US is behind all of it, it just seems as if they are conveniently exploiting it.
Other than just announcing it and responding to it, how is it being exploited?
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Re: So, about that Osama bin Laden Tape.. [Re: zappaisgod]
#5206552 - 01/21/06 02:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Television makes it capable to decieve and influence we americans why do you think everybody has one.
wildwestkcmo I hope you don't mind if I put this in my signature. Thanks
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