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Salvia multiple times?
    #5191527 - 01/17/06 03:24 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

Hey quick question. I have searched posts and many seem to say that salvia has a reverse tolerance, so you could smoke a couple days in a row and it would take less to break through. My question is this: If you were to smoke salvia one night and experience the duration of the trip, would you be able to smoke it again say, 3-4 hours later and achieve the same effects? Or is there a certain amount of waiting time?


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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: CUBErt]
    #5191585 - 01/17/06 03:39 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

yes
no waiting time required
just what you feel like
if you hit level 4 and like it
back of a tad on the qtty for your next hit
if it is within 8 hours,
or you will go to 5 by accident...
etc.

i.e. when you are down and can drive again, you are not really fully down.
some effects linger 3 days (called afterglow)


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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5191768 - 01/17/06 04:20 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

Alright I shall keep that in mind. Thanks :smile:


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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: CUBErt]
    #5192040 - 01/17/06 05:57 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

when i take salvia i usually do two doses, one about 15 minutes after the first. the first one is kind of like a warm up. but yeah, you can take it with practically no time between trips. there've been times when i've had three salvia trips in half an hour.


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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: alsey]
    #5192268 - 01/17/06 06:56 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

i smoke it it once, then wait 30 min, then keep at that pace until my bags all gone. Usually ill have 1 g or 2


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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: Tripped]
    #5192355 - 01/17/06 07:17 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

Very cool. My next question was gonna be if it was even advisable to continue smokin salvia all through the night. Seems as if its quite common after all. Thanks again for the feedback (now I just gotta get some actual salvia :tongue:)


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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: CUBErt]
    #5194051 - 01/18/06 04:59 AM (18 years, 13 days ago)

i am a one puff a day type usually, or once every 2 days
often a single rollercoaster ride is enough to keep the (inner) kids very bouyant for a while


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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5194064 - 01/18/06 05:10 AM (18 years, 13 days ago)

see a while back i was tryin to use salvia like daily and after a few days it wouldnt work anymore and i felt like i had abused it

so i didnt use it or feel the need to for a few months
then i found a shop that sold salvia leaves
so i bought some didnt smoke any of it till like new years
i didnt breakthrough or anything but visuals were excellent
needless to say i dont smoke the shit like its pot anymore
i find it best to do salvia once a week or twice a month

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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: RandomHero]
    #5196700 - 01/18/06 09:16 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

Rather than start a new post I will ask this here. I've been catching rumors lately that salvia may be on the road to becoming a scheduled substance in the US (wouldn't surprise me). Is this the truth? Do I need to stock up Y2K style before its unavailable online?


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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: CUBErt]
    #5196781 - 01/18/06 09:32 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

i was going to start growing it on my own but i couldnt find a Standardized extraction method. imo smoking leaves is a waste of time. theres another law (i forgot what the name of it is) that makes it illegal to have some stuff even though its technically not criminalized. they use this for research chemicals mainly. i doubt this is for salvia yet.


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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: CUBErt]
    #5196782 - 01/18/06 09:32 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

It's good to know this cause I have had trouble breaking through on some 10X


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Re: Salvia multiple times? [Re: lwo]
    #5197017 - 01/18/06 10:16 PM (18 years, 13 days ago)

The analog act. Salvinorin isn't an analog of any scheduled substance, as vague as the law is even. One government source claimed it was an analog of THC. It's beyond a stretch.

Now, I have heard of some law in California that could technically make any mind altering substance illegal, but I don't know the law itself.


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here is an extraction method reference from this site [Re: barto]
    #5197900 - 01/19/06 04:51 AM (18 years, 12 days ago)

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For a very long write on Salvia divinorum extractions see: http://tinyurl.com/3pnzf - To see photos of Naphtha washes to crude salvinorin extract (my article) go to: http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia...traction4.shtml

Click this photograph to see a large .98 MB photograph of the salvinorin crystals which were isolated through this process:



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How to Isolate Salvinorin Crystals Directly from Crude Extract. Jan 7, 2006. A simple extraction method for obtaining high purity salvinorin without high processing loss

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This extraction and refinement method was worked out and written by an amateur experimenter. I'm not an organic chemist and don't work in a field related to botany or chemistry. The solvents mentioned in this document are very flammable and can be easily ignited by red hot surfaces, open flame, electric or static spark! Avoid risking electric or static sparks from any source and don't try to evaporate solvents in closed areas. Do not use stirring utensils, containers or seals which can react with solvents as any contamination by plastics will completely ruin the extraction which then must be thrown away. This document does not contain enough information to know how to safely handle solvents or their proper use for the manufacture of human consumable products and is not intended to imply that anything produced by this method can safely be used as a food or drug.

I do not advocate or recommend the use of Salvia divinorum or any other psychedelic plant because their use is not right for everyone. Salvia divinorum and its active principal salvinorin A is an extremely potent psychotropic substance which when taken in relatively large amounts can also be strongly inebriating. Due to the intensity and sometimes startling effects produced from the use of this entheogen individuals intending to partake of this plant in any form should thoroughly study the complete range of possible effects before use. If you have made the decision to use Salvia divinorum only do so in private settings with a responsible and sober sitter present, never in public areas or prior to operating machinery of any kind. The dosing of either crude or refined salvinorin as a drug should never be attempted, salvinorin A is far too potent to eye ball a sub-milligram dose which can only be accurately done if using an analytical balance with accuracy within a tenth of a milligram or better costing many hundreds of dollars or more. Individuals seeking info on the possible negative effects and common problems produced from attempting to directly smoke or dose with either crude extract or refined salvinorin should start their research by reading the warning document at the following URL: http://www.tinyurl.com/6urcj





About this extraction process

This extraction and refinement process is the easiest method with the highest extraction/processing efficiency I have found for obtaining high purity salvinorin which is accomplished through directly isolating salvinorin crystals contained in crude Salvia divinorum extract (AKA ?black wax?). Aside from this extraction and processing method which I believe is probably the most yield-efficient, there are no other means I am aware of to obtain relatively high purity salvinorin other than through the use of partitioning and column chromatography or through using the somewhat inefficient process of doing multiple washes to crude extract with small amounts of solvents which salvinorin is weakly to strongly soluble causing greater losses with each additional cleaning of the extract. This tech will guide you through a new refinement process which directly isolates salvinorin crystals from crude extract using nothing more than common household solvents, utensils, mixing bowls and glasses which in the end, if great care is taken will net you an amount of high purity salvinorin crystals with minimal processing loss.


How it works

In this refinement process the salvinorin crystals which have formed within crude extract can be completely isolated. The process first separates most of the tannin impurities from the extraction solvent through natural settling of the tannin particles in the fluid which are then removed prior to evaporation. After complete evaporation of the extraction solvent, the still moist extract solids which remain are scraped up and placed in a small glass container and mixed with warm water to remove the remaining tannin impurities from the extract, discarding the water after each wash of the solids. Next, the solids are fully dried of all water moisture and then mixed with clean naphtha to wash the dark waxy impurities out of the extract, waiting for the crude salvinorin particles of extract to completely settle through the fluid to the bottom of the glass before pouring the fluid off after each wash. The naphtha washes to the extract are repeated over and over again until the solvent no longer continues to take on additional color. After most of the waxy green compounds have been removed from the exact solids by the naphtha washes the remaining solids are then mixed with a small amount of fresh naphtha again which is poured completely out (extract and naphtha together) into a small glass container which is then completely heat evaporated at approximately 125 degrees Fahrenheit. During heat evaporation of the naphtha a pronounced physical separation between the salvinorin crystals and the remaining waxy impurities occur which causes the salvinorin crystals contained in the extract to collect in the bottom of the evaporation bowl while at the same time forming a waxy crust of impurities on top which can then be peeled away to expose the crystals below.

The Process

Use high purity 99% Isopropanol (IPA) or 95-98 pure ethanol alcohol for this extraction method. 70% IPA has far too much water in it to be effective for extracting salvinorin off of the leaf in the short amount of time used and is not nearly as efficient at getting at all of the salvinorin like high percentage alcohols are. 99% IPA may be hard to find in some areas but can almost always be found if one is persistent enough searching for it.

Extracting the leaf and tannin removal

Extract dried finely crushed Salvia divinorum leaf three times over for at least five minutes each time with room temperature 99 percent isopropanol which must be at least 68 degrees F. or higher temperature. Pre-warming your container of alcohol/IPA to about 100 degrees F. via hot water bath is better than room temperature but is not required if you have extracted the leaf long enough (If using acetone see note three near the bottom). It is not necessary to powder the leaf prior to extraction as had been assumed in the past, recent findings by Daniel Siebert have determined that the salvinorin contained in Salvia leaf is actually deposited on the outside of the leaf rather than being contained in any relative concentration inside the leaf itself. When extracting the leaf each time through be sure to completely cover the leaf with enough solvent that you have at least an inch of fluid above the leaf and continue to mix the leaf the whole time while in the fluid. After removing all of the leaf particles let the combined solvent from all three extractions sit undisturbed in one container for at least 24 hours (in complete darkness) so that most of the micro-fine particles of tannin will settle to the bottom of the container, then leaving the sediments behind by very carefully pouring the precious fluid off of the tannin particles into a bowl for evaporation. When every bit of the tannin has settled out of the solvent it should be translucent, it will be light to dark colored green but should not have any amount of cloud to it or it still contains an appreciable amount of tannin.

Evaporation of the extraction solvent and further tannin removal using water

Completely evaporate the extraction solvent in a bowl, the wider the bowl the faster the solvent will evaporate but do not use too large of a bowl. The reason for this is so the majority of the extract solids will deposit in the center bottom of the container where the remaining water which was contained in the alcohol will pool up together with the extract solids upon evaporation of the alcohol. The often creamy appearing yellow to green colored water should be poured off and evaporated separately because sometimes I have found large amounts of salvinorin contained in it especially when having used acetone to extract the leaf. When using isopropanol to extract leaf I usually only find tannin in the water but in either case the water should be oven evaporated at 150 degrees F. in a small custard bowl to be sure you won?t be loosing any of the yield by throwing the water out. The last time I evaporated water from an acetone extraction I found more than half of the total yield in the bowl which was 95 percent pure salvinorin with very little chlorophyll or lipid contamination. After pouring the water off the remaining extract solids need to remain wet. When pouring the water off take care not to let any of the small particles to go out with it. The reason the extract needs to remain moist from water is so that the next step will work. If the extract is accidentally allowed to completely dry the following water washes will not penetrate into the waxy extract solids well enough to remove additional tannin.

Next scrape every little bit of the extract off of the glass, even the dried films which you will find coating the upper sides of the container and add all of it to a glass container with between an ounce to a quarter cup of warm to the touch water (for extractions of 100 to 1000 grams of dried leaf) and crush all of the clumps of extract into as fine a form as you can by rolling the material between your fingers or crushing with a utensil while in the water. After you have removed all of the clumps stir the extract into the water very vigorously for a minute and then let set for an hour or for however long the particles stirred up into the water take to settle to the bottom. Once the salvinorin particles have settled slowly pour the water off of them, leaving all of the fine particles in the bottom. Now add another glass of water and do it all over again. Repeat until the water no longer takes on any color, usually a yellowish hue when you begin, to completely clear without color when you are done. The water used to remove additional tannin from the extract can be discarded once you are done with this step. Note: Since salvinorin won't dissolve into water this method will work to remove the remaining tannin without loss of salvinorin, if you wait long enough for it to all settle out.

Removing chlorophyll and waxy lipids from dried extract using naphtha

Upon completing several cycles of water washing the extract you will hopefully have removed all of the remaining tannin which is a major block to obtaining high purity salvinorin. Now completely dry the extract by spreading it out in a thin layer and placing in an oven set to 100-125 degrees F. for however long it takes to dry. Ambient temperature air drying will also work just fine but takes much longer, just to be safe against the possibility of UV light affecting the salvinorin put the extract in a dark place if drying it that way. It is ok to expose the solvents and salvinorin to normal room lighting while actively working the extraction as long as you are not in direct sunlight, but if at all possible avoid direct sunlight or UV light from florescent lighting, especially when wet with any kind of solvent.

Once the extract is completely dry try to crush it as finely as possible. Now mix the dried extract into 25 to 50 ml (close to an ounce or two) of pure room temperature naphtha and continue to work the extract into as fine a form as you can. Rolling the naphtha wetted extract between my fingers has worked best for me but crushing with a spoon while in the solvent will also help. Once all of the extract has been completely dissolved into the naphtha and has the consistency of extremely fine sand or better, pour all of the naphtha and extract together into a small but tall narrow glass container which can hold all of the extract and fluid in a vertical column only a few inches tall. Let the naphtha sit undisturbed for an hour or more. After awhile you will see that some very fine particles have dropped to the bottom of the glass, these particles are salvinorin crystals which will still have an amount of chlorophyll and waxy lipids mixed in with them. To be sure the majority of the super fine particles of salvinorin have dropped out of the naphtha you must wait until the fluid becomes translucent or clear enough to see through the glass which may be difficult if strongly colored by chlorophyll, but will become easier with each subsequent washing of the extract solids.

Once the fluid is no longer cloudy and you believe most of the particles have settled to the bottom then very slowly, without allowing any of the solids in the bottom to escape, pour all of the naphtha out of the glass leaving the fine solids behind. Set the solvent you have just poured off aside for 24 hours to get the last ten percent or more of the salvinorin which will continue to fall out of the fluid. Next take the glass you have just poured all of the naphtha out of while leaving the rather small amount of crude salvinorin solids in the bottom of the glass behind and add more Naphtha. Do it all over again and stir it up really well, just for a minute or so. As you do so the solvent should continue to take on a green color as long as there are more waxy lipids in the extract. Keep doing this step of adding naphtha, waiting for the salvinorin to settle and pouring the fluid off (saving the salvinorin particles in the same glass) over and over again until the fluid will no longer continue to take on much more color. Now, the extract should be well over fifty percent pure, perhaps as high as seventy five percent pure if you have done several naphtha washes. Before the next step pour every drop of naphtha off of the extract. Note: If a full cup or more of naphtha is used for each wash of the extract it may take hours for most of the particles to settle each time, the fluid can be colored but should not be at all cloudy or it still contains a large amount of ultra fine salvinorin particles. One quick way of checking to be sure all of the particles have settled is to take the glass of naphtha into a darkened area and shine a small flashlight through the top of the fluid. If the fine particles have not all settled yet you should then be able to better see them floating in the fluid. Don't worry about light interactions when doing that, you are only using a flashlight with very little UV output, if any.

Final processing to isolate the salvinorin crystals

In this next step add an ounce or so of clean naphtha to the extract and swirl it around in the fluid for a few seconds and then pour all of the naphtha along with all of the solids into a small four inch diameter (or smaller if having extracted from less than 100g of leaf) clear glass spice bowl and place the bowl in a box heated to somewhere between 100-125 degrees F. for heat evaporation. I believe higher temperatures will work just fine but you must not reach a temperature high enough to cause the naphtha to boil. For safety sake this should be done outside in a covered area using a small box which is somehow heated but which also allows plenty of air ventilation without using a light bulb or red hot heating elements. It is important that the bowl is not at all disturbed while evaporating completely down so you can't use a fan or allow air to disturb the surface of the bowl of naphtha, but at the same time be sure to allow the vapors to escape the box too. I have done this by placing a small spice bowl (no more than 1 ounce of naphtha in it) as far away from the heating elements as I could place it in a large electric oven with the door cracked open a couple of inches but WARNING... this is probably inviting a fire hazard or worse if just the right concentration of fumes hit the ovens red hot heating elements as it tries to regulate the temperature with the door cracked open. Once the Naphtha has completely evaporated and the extract is completely dry to the touch (after cooling) you will find that the bowl will have a thin green to black appearing paper-like skin on top which can be pealed away to expose a quantity of salvinorin crystals which should exceed 95% purity, if you have successfully removed all of the tannin impurities in the first steps of the process first. The salvinorin may or may not appear to be crystalline but when viewed under a microscope can clearly be seen to be small crystals and when shined under bright light will sparkle as you handle them.

Purity confirmation

If you have successfully removed all of the tannin from the extract and removed enough of the lipids and chlorophyll from the extract you will find nothing but loose crystals under the top waxy layer. However, unless viewed with a microscope you can't know for sure if you only have crystals or have a mix of crystals and fine tannin particles. If you are not convinced that the extract is fairly pure or just want to make sure you don't have any tannin in it, as a purity confirmation step, depending upon the amount of leaf extracted, dump all of the dried extract into room temperature acetone and thoroughly stir the solvent until completely dissolved. 100 ml of room temperature acetone should easily be able to dissolve all of the refined salvinorin extracted from as much as 1000 grams of average potency dried leaf, but if having extracted a full kilogram of leaf I would use at least 125 ml of acetone, just to be sure. Of course, use a proportionately larger volume of acetone for this step if having extracted from a larger amount of leaf. If the salvinorin is fairly pure and you have stirred the extract enough to completely dissolve every bit of it into the fluid when you are done the solvent should not have a cloudy appearance. As in earlier steps of the process (depending upon how much chlorophyll and lipids have been removed by the naphtha washes) the fluid can be a slightly yellow to dark green color but never cloudy. If you see any cloudiness of the acetone after having stirred the fluid for two or three minutes, the amount of time it usually takes to fully dissolve as much as 2 grams of high purity salvinorin into 100 ml of acetone, this is an indication of ultra-fine tannin contaminates being present in the fluid which after being stirred up into the acetone can take as many as two days to fully settle to the bottom again. If the fluid is completely translucent allowing you to see through it (as long as it isn?t too darkly colored by chlorophyll) you can then pour the acetone out into a dish for evaporation. At this point I like to evaporate the solvent into a small spice bowl and let it evaporate in a dark place over a period of days. Sometimes I come back to find wonderful little crystalline formations, others an uninteresting crust which although flat is actually completely crystalline when viewed under high magnification.

If after a good stirring and even going to the extent of warming the container of acetone to 120 degrees F. in a hot water bath and the fluid is still found to be cloudy then seal the container and let it sit in a dark place for 24 hours to wait for the contaminates to settle to the bottom of the glass. After settling carefully pour the acetone off of the sediments without allowing any to go out with the fluid as you are pouring the solvent into another container and let the fluid sit for another 12-24 hour period of time to see if more falls out, keep doing this over and over until all of the tannin sediments have stopped falling out of the acetone. After all of the tannin has been completely removed from the solvent you can then evaporate the fluid in a small glass dish which if done slowly enough will likely form into relatively large visible crystals, if not crystals then a very pure crust which because salvinorin sticks to glass so well will need be scraped off for collection with a knife. If the extract does not stick to the glass either as crystals or form a hard crust through and through which also sticks to glass the extract likely isn't very pure. The only exception to that general rule I know of is this particular extraction process where the salvinorin crystals are isolated directly out of the ?black wax? (crude extract) without being dissolved again by solvent. Since this process removes most of the waxy compounds extracted from the leaf through the naphtha washes to the extract which will not dissolve salvinorin, and then through further processing produces a physical separation of the remaining waxy impurities from the salvinorin crystals they can be found to be laying completely loose in the bottom of the bowl, otherwise salvinorin sticks to glass when evaporated out of solvents which it is soluble to.

Note 1. Alcohol/IPA extractions. Extracting leaf with isopropanol or high proof ethanol warmed to at least 100 degrees F. will increase the solubility of alcohol to extract salvinorin from leaf more thoroughly and quicker than when at room temperature but I still recommend extracting the leaf for at least five minutes each time, three times over. If you are concerned you might be leaving salvinorin behind when using room temperature alcohol extract the leaf as many times as you wish for as long as desired but keep the leaf in the dark while in solvent for longer periods of time.

Note 2. Used naphtha. Once you are sure all of the salvinorin particles have settled out of the naphtha used to wash the extract by letting the fluid sit undisturbed in a glass container for at least 24 hours and have collected what ever additional amount of salvinorin particles have fallen out you can then discard the fluid because salvinorin is insoluble to it.

Note 3. Extracting with acetone. Someone had problems with this process when using acetone to extract the leaf. When heating the bowl of extract in naphtha their extract did not produce a layer of waxy material to peel away from crystals. I am now trying to find the reason it failed for him. If upon drying the extract an upper crusty layer of waxy material does not appear the dried solids will still be fairly high purity, likely exceeding 75 percent purity.

Note 4. Further purification using 99% isopropanol: One or two additional washes of the dried extract using 99 percent isopropanol can refine the extract into a white purity. When doing so use as little IPA as possible for each wash. For a 100 gram extraction of dried leaf 10-15 ml of IPA per wash should be enough. As with the naphtha washes be sure to wait for the fluid to clear, it may be darkly colored but should not have any cloudiness or the particles have not all fallen to the bottom of the container. A bright 1 watt white LED flashlight or other strong light source causes the particles floating in the fluid to sparkle with a golden yellow color, wait until they fall to the bottom before pouring the fluid off of the extract solids or you will be loosing a portion of your yield.

Note 5. Evaporation condensation. If evaporating the extraction solvent using a fan hurry things up by gently blowing across the surface of the fluid, whether having used isopropanol or acetone to extract the leaf you will find that due to rapid cooling an additional amount of water will condensate into the liquid which you can use to your advantage. Once all hint of solvent is gone from the fluid (smell it) and you are sure it is only water carefully pour it all off of the extract solids making sure that none of the fine green particles go out with it. The water found remaining in the evaporation container is usually a creamy yellow to green color which can contain a large portion of your total yield of salvinorin, save and evaporate in an oven set to 150 degrees Fahrenheit in a small custard bowl to check if a portion of your yield is contained in this water.

Note 6. Ultraviolet sensitivity of salvinorin: Ultraviolet light has been reported to quickly destroy the potency of Salvinorin A, especially when in solvents or while on leaf wet with solvents. Common sources of UV light are direct sunlight and some kinds of florescent lighting. When extracting Salvia divinorum leaf do not do so in direct sunlight and minimize the amount of time the extraction solvents are exposed to light of any kind while containing salvinorin.

The following photographs are of salvinorin crystals obtained strait out of crude extract from a 99% IPA extraction.

The photograph on the left was taken on macro within about three inches of the bottom of a regular drinking glass used to evaporate naphtha cleaned extract that had about a half inch of clean naphtha stirred in just before placing the glass into an oven for evaporation. The smooth layer you see is a waxy crust of chlorophyll and lipid waxes which formed on top of the salvinorin crystals below it. I tore a portion of the wax off the top to show the crystals underneath. The second photograph was taken with a zoom stereoscope set to approx. 25X magnification, the third even further magnified and the last shows the same crystals with a dime which appear to be more golden than yellow due to different lighting.



WARNING:

No one should ever use Salvia divinorum or salvinorin in any form whether enhanced leaf or tincture without first having done enough research to know all of the possible effects produced by this substance, as with any intoxicating substance psychotropic or not. Also, individuals who have had serious psychological problems in the past or who are currently being treated for any kind of psychological problem should not use Salvia divinorum without first consulting their doctor. The best warning against the use of pure to crude salvinorin I have seen can be found at Daniel Siebert's web site at the following URL: http://www.sagewisdom.org/caution.html

Smoking the crystals or refined salvinorin has been reported to be extremely hit or miss and when it misses often leaving salvinorin residue in the pipe causing the next attempt to burn far too much material. Because of this possibility smoking salvinorin itself isn't something I would want to try, even if I have accurately measured the weight of the dose. However, there is another way a friend of mine came up with which is much safer and that is to dissolve the crystals into solvent and then evaporate it on something else you can smoke.

If you know the solubility of the solvent you are using to drip onto leaf (or what ever) then you can get close to a standardized method of dosing. For example, you can dissolve as much salvinorin as 99 percent isopropanol can hold and then use an eye dropper to slowly drip it onto cigarette papers. If you evenly spread the fluid across the whole paper and let it dry, depending upon how much fluid was evaporated on the paper you would know the approximate amount of salvinorin distributed on any given portion of it, as long as you are careful to avoid making hot spots where too much material cakes up in one spot.

Acetone would be ideal for this because it requires so much less solvent, just a few small drops onto paper ought to be enough if you have dissolved a known amount of salvinorin into a measured amount of acetone (completely dissolved with absolutely no solids observable, completely clear liquid). At room temperature acetone has been reported to be able to hold 23 mg of salvinorin per ml of fluid in the fully dissolved state where 99 percent isopropanol holds closer to a maximum of .75 mg per ml of fluid (less than 1 milligram per ml).

Through this method one is able to reliably burn a dose with so little smoke it is essentially the same as if having smoked the crystalline material itself. Of course, the papers would then need to be cut up into smaller pieces due to the amount of salvinorin which can be contained in one single piece.

If you would like to see over 100 pictures of salvinorin crystals join this group and go to the photo files: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Salvinorin





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