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keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI.....
    #5192303 - 01/17/06 09:02 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)



I am not completely sure if this is possible, but is there a way to STABLIZE the pressure at 15 psi with this PC? I am having the problem right now of it going above and below the pressure. About every 15 minutes I have to adjust the heat on my stove. (Can't use a different burner. It won't fit.) So is there anything I can do with the actual pressure cooker?

Kinda a noob question I know, but thanks for any help!


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5192371 - 01/17/06 09:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

just keep searching, there is a position on the stove that will keep it stable, for me its about 3 notches before MED heat. it looks like your pc has a manual release valve, so let it get up to pressure or even a little higher and if it gets too high you can release a little steam. youll find it, just adjust the heat and wait a few minutes to see how the pressure changes.

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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: waixingren]
    #5192392 - 01/17/06 09:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

damn that thing looks ancient.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #5192419 - 01/17/06 09:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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damn that thing looks ancient.




I agree....would LOVE to have it!
one of my 23 quarts is older then me ( and thats ancient) and still has the weight w/ 3 selections


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5192428 - 01/17/06 09:38 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i have a 1957 Presto 4qt electric pressure cooker, has the original manual still.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: waixingren]
    #5192472 - 01/17/06 09:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

LOL. Oh yes this thing IS ancient. Got her for 10 bucks from a junk dealer. :smile:

And no, trust me, there is no "premo possition." I have a gas stove and the if I adjust the heat a milimeter in either direction, the temp either rises or falls. That's why I wanted to know if the PC was adjustable.

It does AUTO-RELEASE steam/pressure once it reaches the 25 mark. But then I would be cooking my stuff, causing problems.

Any suggestions?


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5192483 - 01/17/06 09:54 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like you will be baby sitting it, every 10 minutes.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5192491 - 01/17/06 09:57 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

But I don't wanna babysit!!! haha. It really sucks. It have forgotten about it on numerous occasions and its dipped or gotten too high. Oh well, I figured that much anyway.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5192558 - 01/17/06 10:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

how much is it fluxuation? a few psi wont matter that much. I would say 3 in either direction and your probably ok just give it more or less time as needed.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: blueferret]
    #5192686 - 01/17/06 10:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It fluxes to 10 or below if the heat is too low and it goes all the way up to 25 if the heat is too high. Again, the difference in "low and high" will NOT have an in-between. It's too small of an adjustment on the stove. That's kinda why I wanted to know what I could do to the PC.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5192836 - 01/17/06 11:20 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Thats just plain screwy. I wonder if your guage is messed up in someway. Is there any steam coming from the vent on top either? It sounds like your guage is messed up or like there is no way for steam to escape at all in which case your presure is gona be realy low or realy high.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: blueferret]
    #5192978 - 01/17/06 11:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You mean the measuring guage? Well seeing as how this thing is older than my grandmother, that very well may be. But honestly I don't think so. As soon as it goes to black, the value automatically starts releasing steam from the pressure inside. (A good thing.)

My problem is that the pressure is either increasing or decreasing and I can't get it to hover in between. I suppose this is directly related to my heat source. Or, it would be better if that instead of the steam starting to release at 25, it will release at 15 instead. Thats kinda what I meant about modifying my PC.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5193172 - 01/18/06 12:22 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i have the perfect suggestion, buy a new PC :laugh: :wink:


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5193181 - 01/18/06 12:24 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

That valve that releases steam at 25 psi sounds like it should be adjustable, does it turn at all? Most PCs have an adjustable valve or use weights to trap steam to a certain psi. The ones that dont do this release a bit of steam constantly and are adjusted by stove temps. If your pc releases no steam at all until 25psi something is wrong with it.

Two options
A: find the brand of the PC and try to find replacement parts. Not likely as that thing looks older then my grandma.
B: Find a new PC.

I'm all about fixing things up and making things work but if you cant find a manual, cant find replacement parts, and dont know what your workin with, move on.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: blueferret]
    #5193185 - 01/18/06 12:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

why stabalize at 15psi? cant you just cook for shorter time at higher psi?


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Akira]
    #5193216 - 01/18/06 12:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

you're more likely to burn your substrate that way.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: coda]
    #5193220 - 01/18/06 12:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldnt trust that old thing runing at 25psi. I barely trust my aa930 at 20.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: onetime]
    #5194311 - 01/18/06 10:34 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well it's held up for about 15 pressure cooking sessions, so I definately trust it.

Blueferret, that's what I was thinking. It DOES release the steam at 25 psi, so that part does work right. As far as I know, that thing is not adjustable, BUT seeing as how it is old, I thought it might be stuck or something. Then again, I don't want to force it and break it, ya know? I will look at it closer tonight to see if I can adjust it.

And no, I don't want another PC when I have one that works just fine with tender care. A PC this size is over 80 bucks! Why by another?


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5195605 - 01/18/06 06:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

IT WORKS!

I had a good feeling that that steam value could be manipulated. I guess since it had been setting for so long, that it got really rusty shut. I got some vice grips, cramped down, and twisted. Sure enough, it was MEANT to twist. So right now I am hovering at 15 PSI and its been that way for 40 minutes! GIGGITY GIGGITY GOO!!

And thank you for the help blueferret. +5 Mushies for you.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5195853 - 01/18/06 07:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It's not the cooker, it's the heat provided on the stove. That cooker is fine and will last several more years or decades if cared for and used properly. Usually once the pressure reaches 15psi, you can immediately turn the stove down on it's simmer (1.5 on most stoves) setting for maintaining 15psi. If it starts to lower in pressure, simply move the heat setting up very little every 7-8 or minutes or so. Or, vise versa for raising temps. This way you can find a good setting on the stove and get a good feel for your pressure cooker. Note; that setting will not be the same every time. You'll get the feel for it soon enough. A couple notches above or below 15 will not kill you....


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5195933 - 01/18/06 07:54 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

no prob. Now that you have got it to turn I would sugest taking that valve out getting a wire brush and some penetrating oil throw the valve in a bowl without the seals and clean it up realy well. Leting the valve asembly soak in the oil over night might not be a bad idea either. After you get it cleaned up and nicely lubed wash it down with rubbing alcohol to remove any oil and throw it back on the PC.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: blueferret]
    #5195997 - 01/18/06 08:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

That safety valve CAN NOT be minipulated. It's spring loaded. lol! You have simply cleaned it some. After your run make sure the guts of that valve are nice and clean. That valve can possibly save your life one day, or someone elses if the pressure exceeds 25psi or more.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5196297 - 01/18/06 09:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The safety valve CAN be maniupualted. I just did it. And it was manufactured that way. The main valve is spring-loaded, when it is raised, there is NO pressure being built up. It all exhausts through the holes. (Shown in BOTH pictures.)

When you UNSCREW the valve piece (as shown in the second picture), it adjusts the level the value is opened, thus adjusting of maximum pressure allowed. It's really a simple contraption. Even with the value completely screwed in, it STILL releases steam when it gets to the "danger zone."



Again, as stated three times, the heat on the stove can NOT be adjusted in such a small degree that it will cause the pressure cooker to stay at 15 psi WITHOUT adjusting the valve. Trust me, I fucked with that thing on ALOT of occasions. It either goes up or down.

Thats why I just stated that it worked fine after I adjusted the value.

Thats a good idea about the cleaning you two. Couldn't hurt huh? lol


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5196598 - 01/18/06 10:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

That's incorrect and highly misleading for new pc users. This post should be removed IMHO for people's well being. By no means should that housing be unscrewed in that manner. The manufacturer made that valve to be screwed down COMPLETELY! All you've done is cleaned out the sealing process enough for it to close up. Horrible information IMHO. Don't tell me there's no setting on a stove that won't regulate and maintain 15psi. I've done a 24 hour run @ 15psi. Dead on and no adjustments to the stoves heat......


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5196620 - 01/18/06 10:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It's quite simple really. Quit taking bad advice as this and learn your pressure cooker and stove....


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5196651 - 01/18/06 11:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hotnutz how old are you? I am preaty sure that is how the valve was ment to function. It is a simply designed presure valve. If you look at the origional picture of the top of the PC you have 3 things. The handle the guage and the valve.

On a modern PC you ushualy have an emergency release valve a guage and a presure valve. The way the valve on the old PC pictured above works is much like the emergency valve on normal a spring holds the valve shut until a certain PSI and then releases steam. However sence it is the only release on the PC it is also adjustable you can back it off to release steam at a lower PSI. Hence why the valve adjusts and the whole is on the side the more you unscrew it the higher the valve can rase and the more steam can exit. In its origional seting it was snuged fully down meaning it required a very high psi to release presure.

I have only ever seen a valve like that once on a PC it belonged to my now dead great aunt and I was 5 at the time but I remeber her grabing it with a towl and twisting when she was caning jam. I have however e seen many valves like that on old boilers. I believe I have seen a few on air compressors too. If you do a google search on old PCs you can find mention of some of them having twist adjustable presure regulators.

No people with modern PCs should not do this but for this guy with a PC that old yes he should because it is how it was designed to work. :rolleyes:


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: blueferret]
    #5196675 - 01/18/06 11:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Good grief man! That valve should be in the down position. Not up! LMAO! In the UP position the valves worth is none. Good GOD! LMAO!!!!!!


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    #5196697 - 01/18/06 11:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry. I just find this thread hilarious..... :gethigh:


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5196731 - 01/18/06 11:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Why do you keep bumping this thread you posted three times in a row. if you look at the screw in question it should be clear that its function is to regulate pressure. Do you have this pc in qeustion? Have you ever owned or worked with one? The guy said that it worked if he lossend the emerancy relief valve then it wouldnt build pressure up at all.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: onetime]
    #5196759 - 01/18/06 11:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Don't tell me about bumping threads. Loosening the valve in that fassion is asking to get someone knocked in to the middle of next week my friend! In other words, close the valve by LOWERING it. In the up position it certainly will release steam. Good Lord guys, think before you get someone injured or killed with bad advice........


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5196797 - 01/18/06 11:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Do you have this pressure cooker hotnutz or maby the user manual that proves that. This guy has the pressure and can prove that what he did is correct. He even posted that it works when he did his test run. It wont release as much steam in the down possistion thus that is why the pressure builds up to 25psi. When you lossen it it relesse more steam thus 15lbs. I am sure that if you unscrew it all the way no pressure will build up and steam will just pour out. There is a EDIT button there is no reson for you to post three times in a row. POST WHORE. Where is youre proof that the valve that he lossend isnt a pressure control valve? He already tested it so it wont get him killed or hurt.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5196844 - 01/18/06 11:41 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

In the fully up postion your right it is worthless. The force exerted by a spring is = -kx were k is the springs rating and x is the distance the spring is compressed which will be a negative number. By having a valve that you can adjust by twisting you adjust x there by adjusting the force the spring can exert before the plug on the end of the spring reaches the hole and presure is released. When it is snuged all the way down the spring has to reach full compreshion or near full compresion to release steam. Whith the valve twisted all the way open the spring never has to compress at all to release steam. It is exactly like the use of a weight only instead of a weight the force is generated by a spring.

Similar valve designs.
https://straval.com/catlist-relief-valves/rvi-05/
http://www.hydraulicspneumatics.com/200/...HydraulicValves
http://www.kthsales.com/website/vendors/POM/POM-PR.htm

Fuck it Though, believe what you want. I could even make a drawing on how this works but the fact is your not going to believe me and your just going to keep arguing about it. The fact is it works just keep telling your self that I am an idiot and tokey is an idiot for listening to me. It will make you feel smart, he will have a working PC, and I will know that I helped someone, we can all be happy.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5196848 - 01/18/06 11:41 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The safety valve CAN be maniupualted. I just did it. And it was manufactured that way. The main valve is spring-loaded, when it is raised, there is NO pressure being built up. It all exhausts through the holes. (Shown in BOTH pictures.)

When you UNSCREW the valve piece (as shown in the second picture), it adjusts the level the value is opened, thus adjusting of maximum pressure allowed. It's really a simple contraption. Even with the value completely screwed in, it STILL releases steam when it gets to the "danger zone."



Again, as stated three times, the heat on the stove can NOT be adjusted in such a small degree that it will cause the pressure cooker to stay at 15 psi WITHOUT adjusting the valve. Trust me, I fucked with that thing on ALOT of occasions. It either goes up or down.

Thats why I just stated that it worked fine after I adjusted the value.

Thats a good idea about the cleaning you two. Couldn't hurt huh? lol




Unbelievable! See the rust line on the shaft of the valve? See the rivot going through the valves handle? It SHOULD BE IN THE DOWN POSITION AFTER ALL OF THE AIR HAS ESCAPED AND STEAM IS STEADILY COMMING OUT OF THAT VALVE. THIS ENSURES THAT THERE'S COMPLETE STEAM PRESSURE FOR THE COOKING RUN. ONCE AGAIN!

THE LEVER FOR THE RELEASE VALVE SHOULD BE IN THE DOWN POSITION AFTER YOU'VE AQUIRED A GOOD STEADY STEAMING COMMING FROM THE VALVE. ONCE YOU'VE GOT GOOD AND STEADY STEAM COMMING FROM THE VALVE; CLOSE IT FOR BUILDING PRESSURE TO THE COOKER.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5196875 - 01/18/06 11:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

what your saying is true if you want to cook at 25psi. again do you have this pressure cooker? or the user manual to prove that it isnt ajustable. Becouse that guy ajusted and it holds pressure and dosnt explode or kill any one. Where is your proof that it can not be ajusted? I think there is somthing worng with your keyboard half of what you just typed is in cap lock.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5196885 - 01/18/06 11:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

If it does not move in to the down postion and seal properly, clean it. You'll need to clean it and get that thing working properly.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5196914 - 01/18/06 11:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

By the way. Is there a ball bearing in that safety valve housing?


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5197047 - 01/19/06 12:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

See the valve on the left? Same concept as yours, except my cooker has a pressure and air release on the right hand side that screws in and out. Yours is combined. Mine has seperate options. Valve on the left is for pressure safety, valve on the right is for steam release and air release duing the warm up run.

Please note. I have a Masters in Mechanical Engineering from FIT. Besides, there's no collegiate schooling needed for this one. It's rather obvoius if you think first. Any 8th grader would agree with me here.....


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5198044 - 01/19/06 09:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, I think I'm sorry I even started this conversation. Hostility!

I'm not worried anymore about it really. It works for me. I know it works and I know it was manufactured to work that way, or they wouldn't have had it screw off so perfectly OR had grips to screw it with.

Of course the valve has to be in the down position. I had it up in the pics for illustration. When its down, it builds up pressure. Then the release valve (combined, as you say) releases at 25 PSI whenver the pressure goes over that much. However, when its slightly unscrewed, it causes a larger hole for air to escape, thus lowering the pressure it takes before it releases steam.

Like I said, I don't really care anymore. Something made in the 1940s will have lots of corrosion and rust on it. I think this thing is in GREAT shape for being so old! And it looks like the seals are brand new!

If you want to try and dig up a manual this thing is called:

BURPEE The Aristocrat Cooker

The company went out of business.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5198054 - 01/19/06 09:46 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Tokey...

is there any numbers ingraved on the bottom. it's usually a common thing that they number the model of the pc... i would say even back in those days.

if you get that number... have you searched on the net for the instructions? ya might come up with something, and then we can settle this thread once and for all.  :smile:


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5198116 - 01/19/06 10:36 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry for being abrupt! But, this a serious matter IMO. Valves like that are built very commonly. Nothing special at all I mean. When that valve's in the down position, there shouldn't be air or steam escaping from it until the pressure starts to rise a bit. And then, all you should here is a puff every few minutes @ 15psi or whatever pressure your using. If it leaks in the down position it needs to be unscrewed completely and cleaned thouroghly. That sterilizer in the pic I showed was manufactured in 1927. It's still in great shape to this day because of good care and maintanance. No harm intended at all guys. I just don't want you to get injured or for someone else to be mislead....


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5198255 - 01/19/06 11:33 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

but your the only one miss leading people


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: onetime]
    #5198262 - 01/19/06 11:36 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

LOL! You have to be kidding right? By no means am I misleading anyone. Forget it! Do what ya want to. Poke an eye out or someone elses....


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5199973 - 01/19/06 08:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

OOOOHH now I get what you meant. I may have written something wrong or maybe you read it wrong. But we are in agreement!

What you described is what is happening. (The working correctly part, I mean.)

When the valve is screwed in completely and the valve is in the down position, NOTHING escapes until the pressure reaches the danger zone except those small puffs you talk about. Then it will expell with a loud hissing sound and steam will come out. Then, once it is below that point again, it will build up more pressure.


As for a model number. Nope. Nothing. There is a patent number, but I tried searching for that on the net before. Nada.


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: tokey666]
    #5200454 - 01/19/06 10:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Man, i'm glad you have got it. I've been worried about you sorta. lol! PC's are tricky indeed. Just get to know your cooker and please take the advice i've given you above. That's basic advice for any pressure cooker. Not that everyone above didn't try to do their best to help you out. And oddly, it worked. But, if that valve were to work itself loose through a pc run and come firing off of the lid, there would be damage in some sort. Hopefully not to you or a friend. PC's are time bombs that can back fire on you.....

And right! That valve will not pop up until the pressure exceeds 25 or more psi. It differs with all PC's. But, is mostly consistant. It's for your safety and for releasing air during the warm up so you get nothing but steam pressure for your pc run. And, for releasing the pressure after the pc run. Good luck...


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Re: keeping the pressure cooker at 15 PSI..... [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5202387 - 01/20/06 01:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I tried to find you an online owners manual but, the company has been out of buisness for quite some time...


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