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OfflineJaicen
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Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long)
    #5177394 - 01/13/06 05:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not sure about anybody else, but I personally find the taste of mushrooms utterly revolting, and i'm always looking for ways around this.
Usually, I take my shrooms in tea, as I find it easier on the stomach (less nausea), and a more pleasant come-up (probably as it's faster). However, I've just about had enough of the taste and the smell of that goddamn tea, and I don't want the body load associated with ingesting whole shrooms.
The idea of this technique is to extract the active ingredients from mushrooms without the characteristic taste, smell and general caramel appearance :wink:
Hopefully it should yield reasonably pure crystals of all the salts contained in the whole shrooms. As of yet, it's all purely theoretical, but I was hoping for feedback from anyone with anything to add.
Ok, take a quantity of shrooms which have been dried sufficiently for powdering, I suggest starting with around 8-10g which should yield enough product for 2 trips (and isn't a lot to lose if it fucks up :wink: ).
Combine this with enough Acetic acid (spirit vinegar) to cover the material twice over (100ml?). Add the slurry to a warm water bath and allow to steep for 20 minutes, stirring regularly. Filter the slurry and save the vinegar. Repeat at least once more.
After these steps, most of the active chemicals should be dissolved from the shrooms into the vinegar, so the solids can be disposed of.
Combine the acid with 100ml of Naptha and gently agitate to remove sugars and fats from the solution. Siphon off the naptha layer, discard and repeat.
The next step is to neutralise the acid using an alkaline solution such as sodium hydroxide or hydrated lime.
Allow to cool and combine the acetic acid with enough sodium hydroxide to raise the pH level to around 10 (I think anything above can damage the psilocybin).
Psylocybin is not soluble in alkaline solutions, so crystals may begin to precipitate from the solution, cooling will aid this.
The final step is to re-combine the solution with 100ml of Naptha and gently agitate. This is the clever bit, since psilocybin in a basic solution will be more soluble in a non-polar solvent it will be re-dissolved into the naptha, which can be siphoned off and quickly evaporated leaving behind powdery psilocybin crystals.
All that's left is to stuff the crystals into an equal number of gel capsules (perhaps combined with baking soda for easier measuring) which can then be swallowed.
Ok, there's the technique. As far as I know, this exact technique doesn't appear on the internet but it has similarities to a few which I've found. This one is based on my own (limited) experience as a chemist in college  :crazy2:
Any suggestions or anyone actually done this?? I've got spores on the way now, so if all goes well this tek will get its first trial next month.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: Jaicen]
    #5178725 - 01/14/06 01:19 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

so if you were to take one gel cap full of these crystals, how much would you be taking, aproximatly. Also will anything subsitute for sodium hydroxide? If not were can you get sodium hydroxide?
Definetly let us know how this goes or even pm me with the results as i am very interested in trying this.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: fakee]
    #5178852 - 01/14/06 02:39 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

whoa there chem student! do you actually have any clue that this should work besides a few sites on the net?


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: keefboy]
    #5179156 - 01/14/06 05:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't read all that, but have a good :mushroom2:

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: Mcdoopy]
    #5179323 - 01/14/06 07:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The technique is based on my research regarding the chemical structure etc of Psilocybin. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work except for the given quantities which i've taken an 'educated guess' at. Like I say, it's purely theoretical, but i'm 90% sure it will work.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: Jaicen]
    #5179390 - 01/14/06 09:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not a chemist at all. However, I really really doubt that this is going to work. Why? Because this is the exact same method used to extract dmt and it is really easy. If one was able to get Psilocybin crystals from it everybody would be doing it. Hell, I have even wondered a few times why it doesn't work because Psilocybin and dmt are so similar. I'm thinking that the psilocybin is going to break down.

But by all means go for it! If you get it to work i'll gladly endure public ridicule for doubting you for a copy of the recipe.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: happysun]
    #5180041 - 01/14/06 02:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

By all means doubt. Until there's proof there's no way around it.
However, you say you doubt it would work but offer no reasons why, which irks me a little. Chemically, DMT is not a whole lot different than psilocybin, so I figure i'm at least in the ballpark. That said, i've never encountered a technique for extracting DMT that uses Acetic Acid, got a link??


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: Jaicen]
    #5180141 - 01/14/06 03:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I feel the same as you and am working on my own tech based on the alcohol method. If you are interested we could compare notes and results to see what works best.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: lovepalace]
    #5180395 - 01/14/06 04:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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lovepalace said:
I feel the same as you and am working on my own tech based on the alcohol method. If you are interested we could compare notes and results to see what works best.





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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: DeathCompany]
    #5180494 - 01/14/06 04:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

How many 'study groups' contributed to the knowledge you now posess re: shrooms??
Love that smiley tho, are you coming out?


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: Jaicen]
    #5180583 - 01/14/06 05:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

ahah no need to get all defensive im just makin a joke


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: DeathCompany]
    #5180790 - 01/14/06 06:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You can successfully extract psilocybin out of shrooms PF had a tek about doing it on his site back in the day. It has been done. You may not arrive at pure crystals but you will at least get a VERY potent goo that is safe for eating.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #5181232 - 01/14/06 09:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Hey man, I wasn't trying to flame you, I thought it was pretty funny myself. :wink:


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: Jaicen]
    #5196685 - 01/18/06 11:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So how is this coming? Have you had a chance to try it yet?

Yeah, I don't doubt that you can get VERY potent goo. I read one time that it is easier to synthesize Psilocybin than to get a pure extraction. Erowid?

I have a procedure used by a lab to produce pure Psilocybin crystals for drug testing. Its a bit more complicated than an acetic acid extraction. Let me know if you want copies.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #5197291 - 01/19/06 01:16 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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You can successfully extract psilocybin out of shrooms PF had a tek about doing it on his site back in the day. It has been done. You may not arrive at pure crystals but you will at least get a VERY potent goo that is safe for eating.




I think this is the one  PF Alcohol Tech . And Crystals are easy to achieve. However drying can take several days. Most people who end up with goo either don't filter properly or dry completely. Once completely dry the crystals are very workable. They appear to be hygroscopic and absorb moister from the air eventually melting and becoming inactive. So you must keep them dissolved in alcohol or with desiccants for storage. Any Alcohol can be used but must be dried completely before consuming except Everclear. I started out just using Denatured Alcohol (cheap $2qt) and coffee filters with decent success. A good quality vacuum filter makes a big difference. More crystal less brown tar! Now I'm going to try acetone as a prewash. I'll let you know if it makes a difference. :grin:


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: happysun]
    #6328279 - 12/02/06 09:24 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

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I'm not a chemist at all. However, I really really doubt that this is going to work. Why? Because this is the exact same method used to extract dmt and it is really easy. If one was able to get Psilocybin crystals from it everybody would be doing it. Hell, I have even wondered a few times why it doesn't work because Psilocybin and dmt are so similar. I'm thinking that the psilocybin is going to break down.

But by all means go for it! If you get it to work i'll gladly endure public ridicule for doubting you for a copy of the recipe.




Not necessarily true. Kief and hash are so freakin' easy to make, but rare to get ahold of.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction Technique (Long) [Re: Maverick]
    #6329442 - 12/03/06 04:16 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

yeah and acid base extract with a non-polar solvent wont work due to it being always polar

psilocybin is a permanently charged zwitterion and is therefore highly soluble in water, less soluble in methanol and ethanol, and unsoluble in most other organic solvents


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