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 Barnelby
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 What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? 
#5174158 - 01/12/06 08:48 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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As in, what do they do for the mushroom? And same with THC...what's the point of these psychoactive chemicals?
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Barnelby]
#5174210 - 01/12/06 08:59 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Natural selection has taught them that mankind will always make sure these kinds of fungi are growing.
 
seriously that's a good question which is why i bumped it
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: gotyerback]
#5174232 - 01/12/06 09:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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 Haha, nice.
There are many that believe that psychoactive substances like mushrooms, peyote, and ayahuasca in particular are a form of higher conciousness that manifested itself in those forms to help humans get to those levels. I don't really know where to stand on that, but I do believe that mushrooms do elevate conciousness and can be used for great spiritual advancement and what not. But seriously, surely psilocybin isn't just some random concoction...it has to do SOMETHING for the mushroom....doesnt it? 
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Barnelby]
#5174253 - 01/12/06 09:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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It either does something or is the product of something else. That something else being of benefit to this organism.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Barnelby]
#5174258 - 01/12/06 09:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no clue.....but it seems to me that psilocybin is toxic, as a self defence.... 
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: gotyerback]
#5174263 - 01/12/06 09:09 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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all i know is that it makes me synapse large and it drips serotonin in my brain to makle make me feel good and have spiritual experiences  ...some people say that tripping tricks your brain to believe its dead...thats the buigges bullshit ever..or that it makes the 2 halfs of your brain rub together..LOL another bullshit...it isnt harmful at all unless abused heavily,as for what it does to mushrooms i dontk now hehe
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: bongtoke]
#5174277 - 01/12/06 09:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Keep animals from eating it. Like poison in frogs. Poisonous traits are selected and passed because the organism is better adapted to survive.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: bongtoke]
#5174282 - 01/12/06 09:14 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mmm synaesthesia 
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5174288 - 01/12/06 09:16 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Snaggletooth said:
I have no clue.....but it seems to me that psilocybin is toxic, as a self defence....
That may be, but it seems like any defense mechanism would be much "quicker" if you will...something that "defends" the second it is agitated it not half an hour later 
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Barnelby]
#5174293 - 01/12/06 09:17 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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But with a toxin, other animals can teach each other not to eat it  And it came about first, before a deadly toxin. It worked well enough to be passed on to future generations.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: bongtoke]
#5174300 - 01/12/06 09:19 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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this frog in my avatar is the most potent frog...bufo alvarius...lick its back or get him angry and he will squirt pure dmt juice!!!catch it on a mirror and let it dry scrape it and smoke a match head to trip harder then ever...
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: bongtoke]
#5174309 - 01/12/06 09:21 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
bongtoke said:
this frog in my avatar is the most potent frog...bufo alvarius...lick its back or get him angry and he will squirt pure dmt juice!!!catch it on a mirror and let it dry scrape it and smoke a match head to trip harder then ever...
Haha! Oh man that's awesome...And I thought the family guy episode with the toad licking was fictional!
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Jaeger]
#5174331 - 01/12/06 09:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've seen this question asked a few times before and nobody knows the exact answer. Maybe there isn't just one answer to this question. I like hearing everyones hypothesis though. Go to the source, ask the mushroom 
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: pshawny]
#5174490 - 01/12/06 09:56 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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A question like this will really only yield personal theory's or opinions. If you want to read MANY of them...here's the link for ya
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5064261/page/0/fpart/3/vc/1
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Jaeger]
#5175014 - 01/13/06 12:51 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jaeger said:
But with a toxin, other animals can teach each other not to eat it
Well someone should let the slugs in on the secret so they stop ruining my outdoor patches.....
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: _OttO_]
#5175081 - 01/13/06 01:11 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was meant for man.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Mcdoopy]
#5175170 - 01/13/06 01:29 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it's a self defence mechanism. An animal eats a mushroom, thus reducing the amount of spores being dropped. Then 20 mins later it starts tripping balls  ...then it wont eat the shrooms again.. ..and mushrooms will reproduce forever and be happy...the end.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5175201 - 01/13/06 01:35 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Snaggletooth said:
I have no clue.....but it seems to me that psilocybin is toxic, as a self defence....
its not toxic
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Tien]
#5175273 - 01/13/06 01:56 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Plutonium said:
I think it's a self defence mechanism. An animal eats a mushroom, thus reducing the amount of spores being dropped. Then 20 mins later it starts tripping balls ...then it wont eat the shrooms again....and mushrooms will reproduce forever and be happy...the end.
Pluto
But it doesnt seem to stop them eating them at all - slugs and spider mites thrive on the mushrooms I pick in the wild - and If I dont get in early I often find whole mushrooms eaten by the bastards...
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: _OttO_]
#5175276 - 01/13/06 01:59 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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hmmm...psilocybian mushrooms?...i thought slugs didnt eat those
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Tien]
#5175278 - 01/13/06 02:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Simple answer: It's God's gift to mankind.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: matchbook]
#5175283 - 01/13/06 02:02 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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im not sure, but I think mushrooms have been here longer than us.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Mcdoopy]
#5175336 - 01/13/06 02:32 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Which came first, the man or the mushroom? For what purpose did man's altruistic behavior evolve when it seems so apparent that selfish behavior is so much more adaptable? Even when there is a mechanism that lies beyond our ability to fully describe it, we shouldn't abandon the effort to understand it. My background in science has taught me that man's perceived role in the universe has always shrunk in proportion to the knowledge that we gain from studying it.
Is man really the reason for alkaloid production in plants and fungi? Not directly. We've been around much too briefly for that. Indirectly, yes, since we are both vertebrates and mammals. We know that when cows and horses get into various 'loco' weeds, they never eat them again. However, they don't pass that knowledge on to their progeny as far as I know. Insects have possibly the longest history with plants. Some insects have even developed a symbiotic relationship with poisonous plants, such as the monarch butterfly and the milkweed plant.
I think it's mostly a roll of the dice. Some early plants/fungi produced alkaloids that happened to result in a benefit to it, so those evolutionary lineages continued on. Some plants/fungi 'invested' in other schemes to their benefit, so we now see edible fruits and berries, poisonous fruits and berries, flowers that attract insects, flowers that prey on insects, and a whole panoply of inter-relationships between plants and animals.
Man is just now tapping into the unbelievably huge array of alkaloids the plant world offers us from this long history of interaction. Yet to be discovered medicines that benefit man and animal are likely to have already been brewed up in the natural biolabs of millions of plant species. The psychoactives that most of us have played with are only scratching the surface of this potential.
We are also just now also piecing together the molecular puzzle of genetics. When we finally figure what to look for, I think we'll find that it is already available.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Tien]
#5175404 - 01/13/06 03:05 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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hmmm...psilocybian mushrooms?...i thought slugs didnt eat those
Pluto
They love em man - Ive found just stems with no cap left on before. I also picked cubes once and left them in the bag and forgot about them, two days later when I looked at them they were almost completely destroyed/eaten by some odd little lava that were crawling around....
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: _OttO_]
#5175415 - 01/13/06 03:11 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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they say deer love shrroms so much theyll drink your piss if your trippin on em
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Infamy456]
#5175458 - 01/13/06 03:42 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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they say deer love shrroms so much theyll drink your piss if your trippin on em
They'll lick your piss even if you didnt. At a camp once I was told that I had to pee on rocks instead of trees otherwise the deer will eat and destroy the trees.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: 550c]
#5175463 - 01/13/06 03:52 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I doubt a deer has ever sought after a tripper to drink their piss. Come on now. Thats fuckin absurd.
As to why these strange and wonderous chemicals exist in plants, no one can know. Perhaps it is a gift. More of a window in my opinion. For DMT this seems especially true. Maybe its a plants way of communicating with us. I doubt mushrooms that had psilx in them evolved because they were not eaten. One mushrooms produces a LOT of spores. When ever I trip I always have a profound feeling that it is meant to be and not just some toxin temporarly re-wiring my brain. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Grok]
#5175591 - 01/13/06 06:11 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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THC is known to be a detorant(sp?) among other things.
I think it will be a long time before we find out why mushrooms produce such chems. They are highly advanced and adaptive organism's. On a moleculer(sp?) level, they do things that still can't be explained, but the outcome is always to protect the environment in one way or another as it seems.
One thing is for sure....we need them, more then they need us. So to say it's to attract human interaction is whats absured!
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: gotyerback]
#5175725 - 01/13/06 07:50 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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The psycho active chemicals are a by product of it's growth. the reason it is produced is unknown to even The Great Ones.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Tien]
#5175921 - 01/13/06 09:54 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Snaggletooth said:
I have no clue.....but it seems to me that psilocybin is toxic, as a self defence....
its not toxic
Yes It Is......... Psilocybe Toxicity Information
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: bongtoke]
#5176044 - 01/13/06 10:33 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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bongtoke said:
this frog in my avatar is the most potent frog...bufo alvarius...lick its back or get him angry and he will squirt pure dmt juice!!!catch it on a mirror and let it dry scrape it and smoke a match head to trip harder then ever...
looks like a turtle to me.... ??? ?
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Grok]
#5176690 - 01/13/06 01:02 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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cilosyb said:
When ever I trip I always have a profound feeling that it is meant to be and not just some toxin temporarly re-wiring my brain. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Barnelby]
#5176812 - 01/13/06 01:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its a byproduct.....why is our piss sterile? Thats just the way the cookie crumbles.....it just so happens that Psilocybin, make you trip.....
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5176867 - 01/13/06 01:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it is a poisonous deterrent then why are we not deterred? Maybe slugs and insects still eat it because they are unable to "trip" and it does not effect them, but those with higher mental funcionting such as other mammals etc can? Maybe its just by chance, i mean why does lighting a little green plant on fire make me smile:)
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Barnelby]
#5176995 - 01/13/06 01:56 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Arn't psilocin and psilocybe poisons? Just some of the side effects happen to make u hallucinate. I've always felt nausea, dizzyness, etc. in addition to visual auras and what not. Correct me if im wrong about them being poisons, but thats what i've heard.
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: droptopsunfire03]
#5177034 - 01/13/06 02:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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>>>>If it is a poisonous deterrent then why are we not deterred?
Animals like us, and horses, cows, etc. are spore distributors. Alligators have very acidic stomachs which would kill the spores, and as far as I know, they don't eat these mushrooms 
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Jaeger]
#5843901 - 07/10/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actually--I spent all fucking night last night researching that very question among other things. It's neat how such coincidences pop up!
Research by Dr. Albert Hofmann on psilocybe mushrooms show similarity to the human brain in the chemicals it produces.
In summary, Psilocin is only one hydroxy molecule away from our own chemical Seretonin, and seemingly would function in a similar way, acting as a means of information transport. However, actual importance to the mushroom is unknown...
Here's the post I was knocking my head against last night... I'm still looking for more information etc... input is always appreciated... I figure if I struggle looking for the answers long enough I might find something! lol
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5840949/an/0/page/0
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Acinaxuz]
#5844310 - 07/10/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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> Which came first, the man or the mushroom?
Fungi and mushrooms evolved long before man. The fossil record is unclear, but some scientists believe that fungi were the first terrestrial life. Others believe that they came shortly after or simultaneously with plants.
> I doubt a deer has ever sought after a tripper to drink their piss. Come on now. Thats fuckin absurd.
ROFL! That sounds like a classic tripper story.
Some people seem to think that psilocybin is a deterrent. I don't think this makes sense because the small amount that a cow or deer might eat while munching grass isn't going to deter them. It would encourage them! A couple shrooms is only going to produce euphoria.
Another point is that mushrooms want to be eaten! It helps disperse and fertilize their spores.
If anything psilocybin is an attractant to both man and beast. It certainly has been successful for them in the last 35 years!
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5844381 - 07/10/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Snaggletooth said:
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Plutonium said:
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Snaggletooth said:
I have no clue.....but it seems to me that psilocybin is toxic, as a self defence....
its not toxic
Yes It Is......... Psilocybe Toxicity Information
From your link.
"Psilocybin does not qualify as a highly toxic substance when one uses traditional measures of acute toxicity such as the LD 50 (the dose required to kill 50% of experimental animals, usually rats.) Psilocybin has an LD 50 of 280mg/kg. In comparison, the LD 50’s of LSD, THC (the active compound in marijuana), and mescaline are 30mg/kg, 42mg/kg, and 370 mg/kg. Thus, when death is considered as the toxic endpoint, psilocybin is one of the least toxic of the hallucinogens"
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: fastfred]
#5844410 - 07/10/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i thinkk its like one of those perfect harmony things mann. like are planet in this crazy universe. like me in the cow feild eaten shrooms laughing at the cow 
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Re: What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5844416 - 07/10/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"What are psilocybin and psilocin actually for?"
Tripping.
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