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what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate?
    #5168076 - 01/11/06 03:54 PM (19 years, 10 days ago)

I thought it would be quite a useful tool to get a list happening of the conditions/nutrients etc that make an ideal substrate for Psilocybe cubensis.

It would deffinatly help the less expirienced and knowledgeable of us to experiment with new substrates and in turn help the hobby advance.

So any input would be great. but please only use the facts.


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: Brero]
    #9488254 - 12/24/08 08:46 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

I don't know but if you actually get cracked corn to get through the time it has to be contaminated by Bacillus ( Bacteria ) then you will get some potent mushrooms trust me. I did a little grow with caakes and some CC cased with P.C.ed Sphagum Moss and everyone who ate them was perplexed with the potency lol.

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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: Lepidus]
    #9488290 - 12/24/08 09:03 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

this question is beating a dead horse into the ground man.
cubensis will grow on almost anything with vegetable cellulose.
i have grown cubes off of cedar. an anti fungal wood.


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: grod31]
    #9488306 - 12/24/08 09:11 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

It's best to think in terms of 'nutrients' in relation to plants, and to think in terms of 'food' in relation to fungi.  Fungi eats organic matter, so it's happy with anything from old grass clippings you rake up in the yard to rich manure from a horse lot, and lots in between.
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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9488331 - 12/24/08 09:18 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

as we have seen people have even gotten it to grow on a bible  :bandana:

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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: madz]
    #9488338 - 12/24/08 09:22 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

yeah that was pretty sweet, but he also used money as a casing layer. not ones either. 20s.


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: doze]
    #9488355 - 12/24/08 09:28 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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he also used money as a casing layer. not ones either. 20s.




Wasting shit is good for the soul. :mushroom2:
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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: Lepidus]
    #9488362 - 12/24/08 09:28 AM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Interesting topic. I was wondering about coating wheat straw with a worm shit slurry. Blending the worm shit with water where it's like the consistency of a milk shake so it makes the straw black and drying it a bit so it's not runny. Just to see if this would give it extra contamination resistance. I don't like messing with cow shit or horse shit. I think the worm shit is cleaner. Although worm shit doesn't have much nutrients compared to horse or cow shit I think. So it would mostly be for contamination resistance. And plus I have a large red worm farm.

Maybe fermented straw so it has the bacterial contamination resistance described in the Advanced Mycology topics. Fermented straw coated with worm shit.

I also want to try lots of stuff from the yard like leaves and grass mixed up.

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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: InTheRainySeason]
    #9494332 - 12/25/08 06:51 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Cubensis likes coir and vermiculite. And coffee.


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: dead]
    #9496600 - 12/26/08 09:42 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Cubensis likes coir and vermiculite. And coffee.




Not only does this fail to get at the point of the OP's question, but cubensis also does NOT eat vermiculite.  Vermiculite is a mineral.  It  helps create a looser, more airy substrate that makes it easier to colonize.


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: archivist]
    #9496865 - 12/26/08 11:14 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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but cubensis also does NOT eat vermiculite.




You are flat-out wrong.  It does.  Those of us who have grown pf cakes over several flushes have watched the cakes shrink to near silver dollar size and still fruiting.  Since there's only a couple of tablespoons of brown rice flour in a 1/2 pint jar, it becomes obvious with experience that the mycelium is consuming the verm too.

Mineral or not, it's being consumed by the mycelium.  The book is still being written on fungi, but it's pretty obvious they're not following the same rules as plants and animals.

Anyone who has grown with a verm only casing layer has seen it get taken over by not only mycelium, but also by molds such as cobweb and trich that are not in the grains or manure below.  Obviously, the fungi is eating the verm.

This reminds me of the crap that was posted here five or six years ago when I first put coir forward as a substrate material.  Everyone came back and said I must have fallen and bumped my head because COIR HAS NO NUTES.  However, today it's easily the most popular substrate choice.
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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9496871 - 12/26/08 11:16 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

Yeah, what's it being a mineral got to do with anything? There are fungi which can eat motor oil, or plastic, or all kinds of things, so cubensis eating vermiculite is not really so far fetched.


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9496909 - 12/26/08 11:25 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

But RR I thought you had said in your post above that fungi decompose/eat organic matter...?

Not trying to argue.  I defer to your experience on this one.  I just thought the shrinkage of cakes I've seen was due to the consumption of BRF -- but I had no idea they almost disappear after multiple flushes.

Similarly, I thought the appearance of mycelium/mold on vermiculite layers was from the mycelium extending from the nutrative substrate below it...

Also, I thought the point of using a verm layer in PF cakes was to provide a non-nutrative barrier to keep contaminants out?

Coir is often advertised to be a growing medium -- and it's formed from organic matter -- so I didn't think it was a stretch to believe that it would be fit for shrooms.


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: Brero]
    #9496934 - 12/26/08 11:31 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate?



Tits and ass, mostly. It'll claim that the inner values such as a nice character are a turn-on in a substrate, but it's a lie, really. Those cubes are all the same. Sex, sex, sex is all they are after. And they like their substrate slutty.


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9496935 - 12/26/08 11:32 AM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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but cubensis also does NOT eat vermiculite.




This reminds me of the crap that was posted here five or six years ago when I first put coir forward as a substrate material.  Everyone came back and said I must have fallen and bumped my head because COIR HAS NO NUTES.  However, today it's easily the most popular substrate choice.
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Wow... didn't know you were the one responsible for my beautiful shit load of potent shrooms,  thanks :tongue2:.  I love coir,  so easy yet so effective,  I dont know why people still do cakes when you can just as easily spawn to coir and get so much more yield.

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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: Brero]
    #10072400 - 03/30/09 06:36 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Geezus! I gave up on this thread years ago. only took someone 2 yrs to reply.

So forget the nutes? think of organic matter as food.

Would the consistency of the matter be the biggest factor? ie grain>a lump of hard wood.

what is it in the organic matter that the fungus is after?


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: Brero]
    #10072576 - 03/30/09 07:56 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Interestingly, Vermiculite's chemical compositions is (MgFe,Al)3(Al,Si)4O10(OH)2·4H2O. So it contains quite a few minerals that are probably important in some way, and even water built into its crystal structure.

Seems like its practically designed for growing mushrooms.

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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: Brero]
    #10072585 - 03/30/09 08:00 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

what percentage of spent coffee grounds do you use say in a horse poo substrate?

Does the coffee help with potency?, or is it for a more varied "fod" diet for the myc? i.e bigger flushes?


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: FractalXplora]
    #10072846 - 03/30/09 09:26 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

No. Potency is mostly genetics. If you want consistently potent mushrooms you need to isolate a potent strain on agar.


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Re: what is Psilocybe cubensis looking for in a substrate? [Re: dead]
    #10073130 - 03/30/09 10:32 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Coir, coir, coir. Cheap, easy, readily available (Petsmart, Petco, Petjoe, etc.), and is as good as any other substrate in my opinion. I've saw horse manure and coir grew side by side and noticed no difference. Cmon someone chime in and tell me how much better horse manure is. haha. just my opinion.

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