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OfflineFantazee
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Humidity Debate
    #516176 - 01/10/02 06:24 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

As you well know, there is never a shortage of conflicting information. This is due, in part, to the fact that when someone has success doing things their way, they begin talking like it's the Gospel truth...proven fact as opposed to a lucky combination of events.

This is not to imply that there isn't more than 1 way to grow mushrooms, but I ask this question seeking truth, not conjecture...Personal truth is fine as long as it is identified as such...

I've read countless posts on humidity...Some say that humidity in the 94-96% range is suitable for growing both casings and cakes...Some say cakes need at least that much humidity, but that casings are better off in the high 80's...Some say too much humidity will cause weak mushrooms, others insist it will have no serious adverse affects...

So, I ask:

What is the ideal humidity for casings and cakes...How much is too high...How much is too low???

I know what I believe to be true...Let's hear what you know to be true!!!


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #516187 - 01/10/02 06:55 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)



Edited by Anno (01/12/02 11:56 AM)


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Anno]
    #516194 - 01/10/02 07:16 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

I just read the Pf grow parameters and I have been researching. The part about the spawn run is this the incubation cycle? Unless I have missed something what should the humidity be for incubation cycle? I am using the Pf tek and it does not say anything about humidity during this. Should I not worry about humidity until I case or what. I did just like the tek said, I put my jars in a cooler in the dark at 85 degrees. I have a humidity gauge in my closet but it only reads 40%. Should I bring the humidity up inside my closet or should close the door on my cooler and bring the humidity up in it. Thank you for any help


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: BTS]
    #516227 - 01/10/02 08:46 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Never mind , I found my answer. I found a previous post that said the humidity in the closet was not important becase the jar are sealed and there will be a suitable amount of humidity in the jar. If someone disagrees I would like to know what you think.


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Anno]
    #516456 - 01/10/02 02:33 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Anno...

We all can't be mushroom gods like you, but we can try...You've helped me before, but you're WAY off the mark this time...I spend several hours a day reading these forums and doing research...My post was meant to open up a dialogue and get people to share what they know to be true, contrasted against resources like the one you mentioned...
There are a ton of unanswered questions in these resources...There is a ton of bad information in these forums...I'm trying to get experienced cultivators, like
yourself, to answer the grey area questions...THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE FORUMS...

A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK TO YOU FOR ANSWERS ANNO...

YOU SHOULD BE MORE CAREFUL WHEN YOU READ POSTS AND WEILD WORDS...CLEARLY, IF I HAD NOT DONE ANY RESEARCH, I WOULD NOT POST SUCH SPECIFIC QUESTIONS...IF YOU THINK THE POST IS SUPERFLUOUS
...DON'T ANSWER IT!!!

SMUG ANSWERS SUCK...AND RUIN THIS FORUM!!!


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #516479 - 01/10/02 02:56 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Fantazee, actually Anno is 100 percent correct. there are tons of posts on this, and there has been tons of research done by others (much more "professional" in regards to cultivation) in order to get those numbers. also most people do not have the equipment to give you the answers that you seek, unlike the more "professional" people that use IR humidity sensors, take tempurates and rh into account over a constant period of time, not some 18 year old who checks on his cakes and his radio shack hygrometer on a sunday night and then two hours later when the boiler kicks on and then monday afternoon when he gets home from class after he left his window open from baking earlier. that kind of data is realtively useless.

peace, ar393


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #516484 - 01/10/02 03:03 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Anno was just too lazy to answer the question. Truth is since P. cubensis is a weed, you are allowed a decently large margin of error when cultivating them. People have produced fruit bodies with the relative humidity fluctuating from 60% to 90%..
Temperature has a larger impact on potency than does the humidity. The effects humidity have on potency are pretty much negligible(sp?), as long as they do not deviate to an extreme(ie. 10-40% humidity). The active components oxidize faster under warmer conditions. When fruit bodies are formed in slightly colder than optimal temperatures(ie. 72 degrees F), they tend to be more potent. You will get a little less in terms of dry weight, but more in terms of drug content.


Edited by Azure (01/10/02 03:07 PM)


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: ar393]
    #516493 - 01/10/02 03:14 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

if you guys are correct then no one should ask questions not even you!!!!! because its all here in archives. am i right ? this forum should be called the sharing forum. give some people a break .if you know the answer to a question then answer it if you want because it takes just as much effort to be a smart alleck.have a nice day!
by the way this is not a smart comment it really means HAVE A NICE DAY!


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #516501 - 01/10/02 03:30 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Frankly, I'm surprised it took Anno so long to give this type of answer. To those who ask the same questions over and over, you are stupid lazy asses. Take a minute and do a search.


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #516507 - 01/10/02 03:40 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

And to try and excuse it by saying you've done some reading, well lets think about that. Do you think that by asking the same old questions you're going to magically get some type of agreement? Or is it much more likely you'll get the same variance here as there is in all the other posts on this same subject? Or perhaps you're special enough that people will save the correct answers just for you?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Azure]
    #516547 - 01/10/02 04:38 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)



Edited by Anno (01/12/02 11:57 AM)


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #516764 - 01/10/02 08:21 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Hey LUVDEMSHROOMS...

After reviewing your 88 posts to date, it becomes apparent that you constantly belittle people's questions and repeatedly tell them to do a search....

On behalf of the people you constantly offend or piss off...GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!

A 2 inch dick would certainly explain your nasty disposition...DICKHEAD!!!

and to the rest of you who seem to be unable to comprehend the idea of a learning dialogue and a general consensus, or that are so bothered by these inane questions...Why not go hang in the advanced forum, and let those people willing to help do their thing here with the beginners!!!


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #516825 - 01/10/02 09:16 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Aha! You do know how to use the search button! How about that.

Your words cut so deep, I may never post again. Oh the pain.

Perhaps if you had spent as much time searching for your answers as you did reading my posts, you wouldn't have had to ask such inane questions to begin with. And I'd say you must not have read all my posts, or if you did you didn't take the time to fully comprehend them. I only tell those who ask the questions that are the most easily answered to do a search and to let them know just how foolish and or lazy they are.

And as for comprehending the idea of a learning dialogue, lessons stick best when you take the time to learn them. Remember when you were younger, and you asked how to spell a word, and you were told to look it up? Apparently it worked, because at least your spelling is good, even if your language and thought processes are not. And if you do a little more reading, you'll see I'm not the only one who is tired of people who don't take the time to help themselves before asking others for help.


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Edited by luvdemshrooms (01/11/02 03:37 AM)


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #516866 - 01/10/02 10:06 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

How _do_ you spell a Question?


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #516894 - 01/10/02 10:52 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Some of you are starting to sound like that "bigwill" dude. IMO, we should not be criticizing eachother for any reason. There are lots of newbies on this forum. We all were newbies at some time. I do agree however that there are many questions asked here that have already been answered. This gets very aggravating to some people. That's understandable. But, IMO its not cool to make people feel stupid for asking a question that someone else may have asked last week or last month. Simply answer the question again or don't reply. Because otherwise we get these threads where people are slamming eachother and that defeats the purpose of this forum.


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #516899 - 01/10/02 10:57 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Anno is a really experienced and very helpful. Most of you should be thankful that he even puts so many replies and posts up on this forum cause he seems to be more helpful to the newbies than the pros. But about the humidity, to me, my opinion is, for the newer growers, you guys should be more focused on substrate material, nutrition facts and casing situation. The main parts of growing have a lot to do with what the fruits are grwoing out of, and what species grow out of them. But my overall thought is that there are so many variables, if you come across a good yield, you should bitch about it. Be optimistic about your accomplishments.


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: bassplayer74]
    #516933 - 01/10/02 11:21 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Over half of the ?s in this forum are repeats.Whats the harm?If nobody asked repeat ?s this forum wouldn't be here .How often does a completely new ? come up that hasn't already been asked? All you "do your fucking homework" people can go fuck yourself ! All newbies keep the same ?s coming !!!!!!!!!!! Fuck the rest!!!!!!


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #517040 - 01/11/02 01:22 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Well he did answer your question. He answered it better than anyone so far. If you look at the link he gave, he gave you the best answer possible. Because cubes are so versatile sometimes they can grow despite our abuse. You see the different answers because that is a wide range of parameters that will work. For example cakes need high humidity, or they tend to dry out. Casings however are more forgiving. Someone can advice to keep your humidity at 92-93% .Others will say 95+. Truth be told they need different humidity for different phases of fruiting. Cubes are also very forgiving and may fruit with a humidity of 86-90% where as cake would just dry out. So, the link he gave you has all the parameters you need to grow cubes. Ideally casings should not be kept at 100%. It will predispose your casing to contaminants.


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #517071 - 01/11/02 02:10 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

sounds like you are asking questions. think about it the answer is within.


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: kcy]
    #518327 - 01/12/02 09:02 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Funny...

I tried to start a thread about Humidity and I started a thread about repeat questions...

Either way...

As stated before, Anno has been a big help to many people (myself included) and I've thanked him for that in the past...It was his response to this post that bothers me...the assumption that just because I asked a repeat question, I was too lazy to do a search, when in reality, I was simply trying to adress specific questions and get a dialogue going...

I no longer care about trying to keep things going in this forum, because there are too many pissy people here!!! It's a learning environment, and even though most questions are repeats, that's no reason to be insulting or rude, or to jump to the conclusion that someone is lazy or stupid...I'm willing to bet that even Anno (who excels in THIS arena) has been in some situation where he was not very good at what he was doing...YOU ALL HAVE!!! I'll bet it felt pretty shitty when/ if you ever ran into criticisms like the one's in this forum, while you were struggling to master a challenging situation...Think about what you say people...the power of words is extemely potent...Peace!!!

Oh and LUVDEMSHROOMS...

I've thought about what I said to you and and I shouldn't have called you a dickhead...

You're a STUPID FUCKING DICKHEAD with the reasoning skills reserved for most 5 year olds and the brains God gave a hamster!!!

Have a nice day!!!


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_ [Re: Fantazee]
    #518333 - 01/12/02 09:19 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)



Edited by Anno (01/12/02 11:58 AM)


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Anno]
    #518335 - 01/12/02 09:24 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Well said...


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #518393 - 01/12/02 10:47 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

So I think to myself HEY I might find something useful on this Humidity Debate. Unfortunately I learn more about the assumed size of a man's penis based on his postings in a mushroom forum. Take what you can from this forum and use it to your best interest. Maybe there needs to be a maturity level rating along with each posting. Wasting time on petty insults is wasting everybodys time. Assuming one has not done their reasearch before posting thier question really isn't necessary. If you want to respond to someones posting because you feel you can help them - then do so. If everybody just read and didn't post this would be a pretty boring place. This isn't directed at anyone in particular. This is not an insult. Keep in mind what the shroomery is about - learning / information exchange. This could have been a wonderful thread. Unfortunately it died early on with the insults that were thrown about and stayed there.


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: fungichick]
    #518460 - 01/12/02 12:06 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Ey, mama, how die the Humidity Debate profit from your post?

>Assuming one has not done their reasearch before posting
>thier question really isn't necessary.
After you have spent a few weeks here, you?ll see that this assumption is correct in 95% of the cases.


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Anno]
    #518512 - 01/12/02 01:10 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

I am a big fan of yours Anno. I have learned almost everything I know about growing mushrooms online. I have also found the majority of your postings to be very informative and helpful. I think there are both positive and negative ways to let someone know they should read before they post. The first question I ever posted was responded to by you with "Open your eyes" and a link to the information I was looking for. I appreciated the link but there are more friendly ways to welcome a newcomer. Many times it is difficult to do a search on here for specific information as the subject titles people choose may be misleading or not relate what you are specifically looking for. In regards to the first posting I ever made I did a search and unfortunately came up with about a gazillion postings of unrelated material about the vendor I was researching.

All in all this humidity debate...honestly I haven't given too much thought to "exact" or "ideal" humidity level. Let's see what do I have to offer...

From what I gather casings tend to retain moisture a bit better than cakes sitting out in a terrarium. Unfortunatley I haven't done any casings. As for my cakes the humidity level has ranged from 70% to in the 90's and the only adverse affect I've noticed with the lower humidity was my cakes drying out delayed fruiting. As for potency - this did not seem to be affected by the humidity level. Temperature is a different story and in my short lived experience may have an effect on the potency. Mushrooms I've grown in cooler temps tend to be smaller but more potent.


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: Fantazee]
    #518576 - 01/12/02 03:02 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Fantazee, Why are you so interested in my dick? It seems to be in every response you direct to me.

And why didn't you respond to my question? Why do you think that asking the same question here about humidity will get you a different response than any of the dozens of other people who have asked the same question?

Maybe when you come up for air, you'll see that the most insulting and rude responses have come from you.

And also, I must agree with some of the other posts. Anno is among the top 3 - 4 people who respond here with good sound advice. I think he responded quite nicely to your post. Why you feel the need to give him crap is a mystery to me.


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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #518760 - 01/12/02 07:12 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

I hope to put an end to this long, drawn-out argument (not discusion) with this statement:

Often, people do post questions without doing the proper research. This HOWEVER, does not justify any of us slandering then or anyone else for that matter. We all have been newbies at one point and can appreciate a clear, consolidated answer, whether it be in a link such as Anno's or as a personalized reply.

The point of this forum is to spread knowlege, ideas and understanding. This is not done when a question is replied to with slanders and insults. If you are not unhappy with someone posting an unresearched question, then tell politely point them in the direction they need to go to find their answer be done with it.
If you don't have something constructive or intuitive to say, then don't say anything at all.

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Re: Humidity Debate [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #520082 - 01/14/02 03:19 AM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Can't believe this stupidity is still being discussed!!!!

Hey LUVDEMSHROOMS...

In 1 post I stated that your 2 inch dick would explain your nasty ass attitude...In my other posts I referred to you as a DICK HEAD and then corrected myself by calling you a STUPID FUCKING DICKHEAD...apparently YOUR the ONLY one whose interested in your 2 inch spinning dick...I'm sure most people care even less about your dick then they do about your posts!!!

...By the way...Both are trivial and useless!!!


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