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Theories on relative economy
    #515732 - 01/09/02 09:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I was giving money a long deep thought, since most often it is said that money is the root of all evil. And i decided that whoever invented the idea of a unit of measure of worth for food and commodities was smart. So I think it does have a place in society. But one thing I don't understand is the average person's workday. If a person were to farm there own land they might spend 4 hours a day working. Yet the average work per day for individuals is 7 hours. That's fucked up. But then somene might reply that they are doing more work now for an earlier retirement. And then money again is worthwhile because you have that option But then again I don't have the option to farm my own land 4 hours a day. So then I would have to say the government is fucked up. Especially for people who live in 4th world countries who have to work 13 hours a day their whole life; making suits for first fidelity bankers. I just thought that was a good thesis for basing my poor evaluation of the u.s. governments representation of their embassies in 4th world countries.


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Re: Theories on relative economy [Re: nugsarenice]
    #516025 - 01/10/02 04:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"If a person were to farm there own land they might spend 4 hours a day working."

This is one of the most uninformed statements I have ever seen posted in this forum, and that is saying something! You have obviously never spent any time on a farm.

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Re: Theories on relative economy [Re: Phred]
    #516232 - 01/10/02 10:57 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I try to grow easily farmed food, not cash crops, so my work is fairly easy, My main crop is yucca, contains potatoes 10 times as big as potatoes, kinda of sweet and onion tasty though, and all I do is pull the plant out of the ground and then take the root to a stream and wash out the dirt to harvest the bark. And during peak summer I harvest the flax for soap. All of this takes relatively little amount of time. And most days i don't work at all. When I say 4 hours a day I mean that on an average. It could even be an overstatement. but I guess if you worked on a farm then I am wrong, lying, and definitely trying to corode people's mind on their deep down inherited belief's that farming is the worst occupation in the world, Don't forget my nut, tea, and orange trees. I am always busing talking to them to grow more. Like 10 hours a day. It get's so tiring sometimes. I wish I could just take up working what you do.


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Re: Theories on relative economy [Re: nugsarenice]
    #516294 - 01/10/02 12:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Thge Kalahari Bushmen, who are one of the few hunter-gatherer tribes left, only spend about 2-3 hours a day hunting, the rest of the time they are free to enjoy themselves. In order to maintain our current living standards it is only nescessary for us to work 4 hours a day - the rest of the time we spend working is to support the wealthy and powerful, a lot of that time is spent in pointless industries like advertising and estate agents etc..


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Re: Theories on relative economy [Re: nugsarenice]
    #516306 - 01/10/02 01:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry about that, nugsarenice -- I just presumed that when you said:

"But then again I don't have the option to farm my own land 4 hours a day."

it meant that you didn't have a farm. How stupid of me to interpret it that way.

I'm curious, though. If you do have a farm with yucca, nuts, tea, and oranges, and you can support yourself by working that farm an average of 4 hours a day, why do you say that this apparently idyllic lifestyle is not an option for you?

"I guess if you worked on a farm then I am wrong, lying, and definitely trying to corode people's mind on their deep down inherited belief's that farming is the worst occupation in the world."

I can't speak for others, but I certainly don't regard farming as the worst occupation in the world. It's just that I have never met a farmer who only worked 4 hours a day. Maybe the ones the government pays to not grow stuff only work 4 hours a day.

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Re: Theories on relative economy [Re: mm.]
    #516319 - 01/10/02 01:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

mm. writes:

"Thge Kalahari Bushmen, who are one of the few hunter-gatherer tribes left, only spend about 2-3 hours a day hunting..."

Sadly, hunting and gathering as a strategy for human survival only works with small populations scattered over large areas of land. It is clearly not possible for all seven billion human inhabitants of this planet to survive as hunter-gatherers. With a population that large, agriculture is a must.

"...the rest of the time we spend working is to support the wealthy and powerful..."

Not so. Wealthy private citizens are quite capable of supporting themselves. The ones being supported are not the wealthy and powerful, but the poor and powerless. It's called Welfare Statism.

In actual fact, the proceeds of "the rest of the time we spend working" are taken from us to support government programs. The average Canadian, for example, works just under six months of the year for the government. The "break-even" day in Canada is now somewhere past mid-May. May 21 or May 23, if I recall correctly.

Bushmen pay no taxes.

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Re: Theories on relative economy [Re: Phred]
    #516374 - 01/10/02 02:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

NO, I don't have any trees and have no land. Statistically you can sustain one person off two acres of land. Before I had about 200 sq. feet and I lived in MD. That was the easiest crop and was very fast growing. If I had more land i could have easily planted more crops to sustain myself, i am only mentioning yucca, to recomment the easiness of the crop though. I have visited places though where pecans grow wild, and oranges, and require no effort of farming. Tea I know absolutely nothing about growing but if buddhist legend serves correctly it was discovered growing wild when a leaf fell into a mans cup and he enjoyed the taste, or something. I am only saying that if our government did'nt own all the land, and we lived in some utopialytical society i would definitly spend less than 4 hours a day farming. And I would definitly install a money system of trading, because I could trade my maryland yuccas for arizona oranges. And then i would have a balanced diet. But yeah, about that 9 hours of extra work that 4th world countries have to do. That's fucked up. You can definitly expect a terrorist attack from them. When I worked more than 12 hours a day i got this feeling of being pissed off. And then you have to think, there are some people not working at all!, and then you think well why can't i work not at all. But you don't have that option because.


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