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Invisiblemycofile
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PF degeneration announcement!
    #515252 - 01/09/02 09:04 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

From PF's website:

"Important notice - January 5 2002
During the middle of 2001, the PF spore race shroom suffered a genetic breakdown related to the appearance of the PF albino mutant shroom. The effected PF spore race strains fruit poorly and sparsely, with not much of any invitro performance. The germination of the spores is good and the mycelium looks just fine, but the fruiting is very poor.

This broken PF spore race has been canceled and PF spores from a few years ago were started. The PF spore race performance is back.

Any PF customer in the last year who has received this degenerated PF race, should write PF a letter describing it. A free syringe of the restored PF spore race will be sent.

PF "

Not to be an ass, cuz I've supported PF as a vendor plenty of times, but does anybody find it ironic that PF has made a public announcement that his strain is "degenerated"?

I bet he wept as he typed that one up!


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Edited by mycofile (01/09/02 09:09 AM)

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #515258 - 01/09/02 09:12 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

That's pretty funny.. He should've seen it coming.. When you do generation after generation on the same substrate for that long, you're asking for trouble. At least they had the sense to keep spores from years ago for just such an occasion.

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: NeonBlack]
    #515261 - 01/09/02 09:16 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

We've only been pointing that out for the last couple years!

lol!

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #515264 - 01/09/02 09:20 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

i give him alot of credit, not only did he admit there was a problem, he corrected it, and has offered to send spores to anyone who feels they have been done wrong. alot of people wouldn't have said anything.

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: NeonBlack]
    #515265 - 01/09/02 09:20 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Hey, at least he came clean about it, albeit a year after the fact. Good thing he had some back ups. Otherwise, customers would have to buy any other Cubensis variety that grows invitro just as easily.

I can see the e-mails going to PF:

"Hi PF, I ordered a PF Race syringe in 2001. Here are the problems I encountered: It fruited poorly and sparsely, with not much of any invitro performance. The germination of the spores was good and the mycelium looked just fine, but the fruiting was very poor."


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: jim2]
    #515270 - 01/09/02 09:33 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Remember, I'm not bashing him, just picking on him a little. He's a good vendor even if he is very dogmatic, not very precise about some things, and can generally be an ass. He has good products, good service.

This was just too much fun to let slide!


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #516262 - 01/10/02 09:31 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

I hear ya!


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #516274 - 01/10/02 09:55 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

i wonder if any other vendors who offer the PF, matias romero strain are having the same problem?

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #516312 - 01/10/02 11:22 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Wonder when he started sending out the restored PF classic syringes? I received some around 12/15 and they are pinning like crazy, but it hasn't been long enough to see how many abhorts and mutants I get. They did not pin invitro at all.

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: jim2]
    #516737 - 01/10/02 07:55 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

We offer the Matias Romero here at the SporeLab.

In the past, I have definately noticed severe mutations from this strain. However, I had print that was several years old, was still perfectly viable and clean and represents the Matias Romero as it was years ago.

I'm not gonna shit ya, I still notice some mutation but not nearly as bad as from 'newer' spores. In fact, I have had some very nice healthy looking flushes that provided me with some nice prints.

Hopefully, this will help resurect this classic strain.

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #516769 - 01/10/02 08:28 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

My hyena is curious as to what fruiting would be considered poor.

A first flush of 37g worth of shrooms (well, one BIG one was 16g all by itself within 10hrs of veil breaking) and 13g worth of abhorts (this is all fresh, of course)... something tells me that's not "poor".

These spores were purchased right at the same time as the albino was available, however, so what do you all think?

(Now, the damned albino syringe was contaminated with a green mold... need to write a letter about that, just wondering if my hyena's experience is worth mentioning too -- methinks no.)

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #517238 - 01/11/02 09:11 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

I gotta ask you max, did you get your "Matias Romero" from PF? If so, then why not call it what he does, the PF strain, or a clear alternative "PF Classic".
I've tried to study the "Matias Romero" origins, and can't seem to find any reason to believe that the PF strain is the Matias Romero. PF doesn't call it that, in fact he only mentions that some other people call it that.
Sounds confusing to me, why not make it simple and call it PF? Unless of course it really is the original Matias romero strain which might explain why it isn't as mutated as the PF.


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #517250 - 01/11/02 09:26 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

You can call it anything you want, pf DID name it the Matias Romero years ago and thats what I'll call it too.

You think jsut cuz he was the first to sell it, he can name it after himself and for ther rest of eternity we are supposed to call it 'pf strain'?

I am the first to sell both Tapalpa and Wollongong strains but you don't see me calling them 'SporeLab strain'. And if others sell them in the future, I certainly wouldn't expect them to call it 'SporeLab strain'.

Take your nit-picking accusations elsewhere!

Edited by CaptainMaxMushroom (01/11/02 09:38 AM)

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #517322 - 01/11/02 11:06 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

"I bet he wept as he typed that one up! "

LOL....to funny. Knowing PF's inflated ego your probably right. Its about time he came clean with that one....everybody has been telling him that strain is degenerated for several years.


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #517581 - 01/11/02 03:33 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Degeneration is analogous to live cultures and isolates. If you are printing and fruiting from multi-spore cultures I doubt that the odd mutation is due to strain degeneration. This is more likely a vector of the natural evolutionary characteristics of the species.


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: Nighted]
    #517816 - 01/11/02 08:16 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

amen!!!!


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: Nighted]
    #517831 - 01/11/02 08:32 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Odd mutation?

I think you better grow some of these out and see for yourself!

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #517835 - 01/11/02 08:34 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

no i agree - the PFs are freaked out nowdays


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #517920 - 01/11/02 10:09 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

"Take your nit-picking accusations elsewhere!"

Accusations? Uh, I accused you of what exactly? And where would you like me to take my comments, aside from the thread I started?

I was asking you where you got what you referred to as "Matias Romero". Which btw you didn't answer. Seems to me that lumping the MR and the PF strains together as the same is a bit of a leap, albeit a common one. I may be mistaken, but I think the way that the PF strain got the MR name is that some grower had an opinion that they were the same and told people that. PF mentioned this on his site, so people assumed they were one and the same. The Matias Romero strain has been around a long time, since before PF has been around, at least as a vendor. In fact, it's been around longer than the www, much less OMC. I was a little curious as to whether you might have an original Matias Romero (non-PF) and could add an opinion as to their similarities. Unfortunately, I think it likely that the original MR has been lost to the community and all that remains is the PF strain (or the PF derived Matias Romero as you would have it)

And BTW, did you name the Tapalpa and Wollongong strains? What do you say that we refer to those as the Palenque and the Tikal strains as soon as somebody else offers them? I mean do you think people should call them by the name that you came up with just cuz its the only way of having any idea which strain is which? Just seems a lot simpler if people would call a strain what the person who gave it to them called it. Sure would've helped out the GT/HA situation.


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #518132 - 01/12/02 03:08 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

mycofile, pf named the strain 'Matias Romero' becuase that is 'what it looked like' as he siad. Who knows what it is really is but that is what he named that strain.

As for the Tapalpa and Wollongong, I named them that because that is where they came from. These are definitive prints sent to me by amateur mycologists in those areas.

Got a problem with that? Bring it on shitdistruber!

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #518133 - 01/12/02 03:14 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #518234 - 01/12/02 05:51 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

i got both matias romero and PF strain from smart botanics, few years ago, the 2 have nothing to share except that the veil is very very light.
the matias romero is medium sized mushroom, no fatass stem, that likes to grow in clusters. to clear things a bit up matias romero is a mexican town in the sierra zapoteca, in the itsm that covers part of oaxaca state, the south of veracruz state and chiapas.
The pf strain, named also amazonian, wich is the place where PF said it was picked originally.
the PF strain rarely produces clusters.
just my 2 eurocents

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: CLuB99]
    #518371 - 01/12/02 10:15 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

"This is the PF spore race. It is also called "Matias Romero" at other spore sellers sites or Amazonian. It lately has picked up the name "PF CLASSIC"."


That is from pf's webpage.


enter, I am basically sick and tired of 'offensive posts' directed towards me and I will not tolerate it.

Edited by CaptainMaxMushroom (01/12/02 10:31 AM)

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #518960 - 01/12/02 11:37 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Max, who cares what you'll tolerate and you won't. The two are seperate strains. I thought you might have the real MR. You don't. You have something else labled as MR. So far as I'm concerned, your usefulness to this thread has been extinguished.
My so called offensive posts have lead to the discovery that you sell prints under lables based on "It is also called "Matias Romero" at other spore sellers ", which I (and obviously at least a few others) think is a mistake. You made an error. I called you no names, you just havn't liked the content of my posts.

Thanks for the info club, perhaps you should get some real MR prints to the FSR so that the strain is not lost due to people spreading the PF labled as MR.


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #518997 - 01/13/02 12:47 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

What was the GT/HA situation?

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #519218 - 01/13/02 08:17 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

i thought stamets named matias romero? anyway this shit of mr and pf being lumped together is kinda like what most ppl call a dolphin. wanna start a worldwide crusade over that? i too thought they were one in the same and thought PF was just feeding his ego nameing it that. [which is fine as it seems to have caught on] however, i woud love to see a legit matias vs a PF for my own personal edutainment. i suppose the only place that has a MR pic up would be a spore peddler, anyone point my in the right direction?

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #519227 - 01/13/02 08:28 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

mycofile, my remark regarding tolerance was labeled for enter and his earlier question. you couldn't figure that out?

And what I have is what pf has been selling for years as being 'Matias Romero'. If pf named it wrong, blame him, not me. I have made NO errors and have not seen anybody ever offer any other 'Matias Romero' anyways.

Don't try to accuse me of mislabeling prints. pf is the one who declared it as being the MR. Don't believe his bs about other vendors calling it that, they call it that because that is what he said it was.

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #519257 - 01/13/02 09:06 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

From PF's ordering page:
"PF - $10
HAWAIIAN - $10
MAZATEC - $10"

Hmmm, looks like he calls it "PF". I guess you can blame him for your mistake if you like, but looks like he has the right name.



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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: jim2]
    #519285 - 01/13/02 10:11 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: mycofile]
    #519288 - 01/13/02 10:15 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Of course he calls it the pf, he has an ego the size of a z strain mushroom. But he also admits it's the same as what other vendors call MR. Why? Because he is the one who said it's the MR. He prolly had it listed as MR on earlier pages of his website as he is the one who has identified the pf strain as being the MR in the first place.

What is your beef nitpicker? Your constant badgering about nothing is an embarresment to the shroomery!

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #519298 - 01/13/02 10:22 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ralphster44]
    #519324 - 01/13/02 10:57 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Look at the top of the post where it says 're:'. That will explain whose psot it is in response too.
Tomorrow I will explain to you about the 'delete' key...

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ralphster44]
    #519334 - 01/13/02 11:10 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

hehe

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    #519351 - 01/13/02 11:31 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ralphster44]
    #519513 - 01/13/02 02:05 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Ha ha!


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #519632 - 01/13/02 04:19 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Am I at the Shoomery?
You guys are playing so nice.



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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #521110 - 01/14/02 11:18 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe he calls it PF because it is a unique strain? And he named it after himself. Kinda like a whole lot of species and strain names I can think of.

Are you saying that he said it was the MR? Or are you saying that he said it probably was? Read his site, he says that others have his strain and call it Amazonian, Matias Romero, or PF Classic. Does that mean that they are all the same strain? Does it mean that PF calls his strain PFMRAMPFCLASSIC? No. He says other people do it. He doesn't say it's the name! He doesn't say that it has anything to do with reality, just what other people call it.

How long have you been a part of OMC? I've been around for a long time, and I've never read PFs site say that the PF strain is really MR or anything else for that matter. In fact, I think that for the last 11 years, it has been known simply as PF. Until other vendors sold it mislabled for whatever reason (trickery,fun, or wanting to avoid PF brand name). Fact is, it is was and has been PF strain. Other people fucked that up, not PF. If your print comes from PF, it's PF, not MR. If you get a print from somebody who is growing out a MR, then you don't have PF, you have MR. get it?

My nitpicking may be a fault to the community, but so is a vendor who sells a mislabled strain. Dude, just admit that there is no reason to think the PF strain is the MR. And that just because other vendors have done so, still doesn't make it correct. It's simple. You fell for the mistakes of other vendors, so what. Admit it or change it, or ignore it, but at least get it. It's simple.


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #521291 - 01/15/02 05:04 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Dear Captain - i will have to again correct another of your posts - this one stating that the strain that you carry is what pf have named the 'matias romero', as mycofile has stated, PF have never claimed that their PF Classic IS the Matias Romero, only that it has been labeled by other vendors as such.
As for the GT - HAW thing well i think sporeworks have that cleared up.


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #521455 - 01/15/02 04:49 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

You're both wrong, pf DID claim it as being Matias Romero. He said it 'looked like the picture'. This was in direct response to me asking him on adm.
Perhaps pf's id methods leave a little something to be desired but nevertheless, he said it was MR and for years that is what people have called it. So it became the MR.

Did you know that Esklimo Pies are neither pies nor made of eskimos? And a Stingray is not only a fish but a car as well!

There's a mushroom known as Matias Romero. It may or may not have originated in the actual town of MR, but that is the name it has been marketed under for years.

As for pf now claiming that it is only on other websites that it is called MR, that is just another example of the liberties with names he is famous for taking.

And thats all I have to say on the subject, if you are still confused, read it again.

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #521584 - 01/15/02 07:12 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

You're both wrong, pf DID claim it as being Matias Romero. He said it 'looked like the picture'. This was in direct response to me asking him on adm.

i want to believe that, but just last week you were said you talking to stamets on the phone about the ps. cyans. you said they grew mainly around the spore lab. how do i know your telling the truth now?

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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: jim2]
    #521646 - 01/15/02 08:14 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

is it just me or when someone claims that something looks like the picture are they claiming that it actually is the same thing as the picture??
Anyway, I should have listened to Max - after all he has the only Australian mainland cubensis available as he has advertised - therefore, the below quote from Thehawkseye in reference to their Australian sporerace must be a lie right?? :-)
> 'Hello fellow mushroom enthusiast. This strain of cubensis was picked by BIO in Australia some years back and produces some very healthy, classic text book, golden top cubensis. It has potential to grow some very large fruits at times. Sometimes excedeing 1 foot in height on simple substrates such as birdseed. Usually it will produce a varied amount of vary large fruits, or a huge abundance of average sized fruits, using the substrate very well. On DB compost it we have seen it produce fruits over 18" tall. This strain does excellent on DB compost. Its colonizing speed is average, not breaking any records, but certianly not slow. Another nice characteristic of this strain is it produces very thick, solid stems. We have also found over time this mushroom is very comparable to the ecuador cubensis in many aspects' <


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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #524494 - 01/18/02 11:56 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe PF can explain PF mushrooms not living up to PF standard.
PF was in PFs lab experimenting with the PF.
A friend said that PF Matias Romero isnt right PF.
PF agreed and then PF set to work on the PF to regenerate it to PFs idea of the PF.
PFs results were PFerrific.
The PF is no longer PFucked up thanks To PF and his PFing to beat the band.



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Re: PF degeneration announcement! [Re: ]
    #524511 - 01/18/02 12:11 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

I'm curious. How much does Paul Stamets charge for a phone call these days?

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