|
 Swami
Eggshell Walker
Registered: 01/18/00
Posts: 15,413
Loc: In the hen house
|
 Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works  [Re: Fospher]
#5145694 - 01/06/06 01:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I couldn't explain where he went.
Nor can most folks explain Criss Angel's levitation. Lack of understanding does NOT equal real magick.
--------------------
The proof is in the pudding.
|
 Fospher
Crime FightingMaster Criminal
Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 2,033
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
#5145714 - 01/06/06 01:19 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Swami said:
Bzzzzt! 
Reread the part where Carlos asks Don Juan this very question then get back to me.
Ha, well you got me.
I was quick to write my response, didnt formulate properly of what I wanted to say.
In fact, Im gonna refrain from rephrasing the question, it serves no purpose. Live and learn baby.
|
Fospher
Crime FightingMaster Criminal
Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 2,033
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
#5145722 - 01/06/06 01:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Swami said:
I couldn't explain where he went.
Nor can most folks explain Criss Angel's levitation. Lack of understanding does NOT equal real magick.
Criss Angel is a whole another story. The fact that all he does is just acting with hired actors portrayed as innocent bystanders sounds absurd to me. If it was just camera work, this would get exposed on the internet way before he got past his first season.
But the fact that he can take a woman's ring in a restaurant, have it disappear on the table right in front of her eyes and appear in her drink of water inside an ice cube really fucks with my logic. As much as shamans turning into clouds. There's just no reasonable explanation, but my debunking nature just cant take it for granted. Thats why I really want to experience it with my own two eyes.
|
Swami
Eggshell Walker
Registered: 01/18/00
Posts: 15,413
Loc: In the hen house
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
#5145736 - 01/06/06 01:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
There's just no reasonable explanation
That you are currently aware of.
Herein lies the problem with all these stories, paranormal and otherwise. Of course there is a reasonable explanation, but people tend to think if their mighty intellect /knowledge base cannot grasp it, then it must be magic. This is an egocentric fallacy. You and I don't know how to design a CPU chip, but so what?
Let me repeat: Ignorance <> mystical event.
--------------------
The proof is in the pudding.
|
Cubenisseur
Mad Props
Registered: 12/04/05
Posts: 1,392
Loc: Indian Land
Last seen: 14 years, 5 months
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
#5145999 - 01/06/06 07:14 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
For Swami,
What can be understood with modern human knowledge is extremely shallow and tiny; it is far from truly coming to terms with the truth of the universe. Some people even dare not face, touch upon, or admit the facts of phenomena that objectively exist, because they are too conservative and unwilling to change their conventional thinking.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
#5146118 - 01/06/06 09:08 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Let me repeat: Ignorance <> mystical event
I don't think there is anyway to know if all so called mystical events are based in ignorance. Being a skeptic I keep an open mind. 
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Misanthrope
Stranger
Registered: 10/06/05
Posts: 79
Last seen: 15 years, 10 months
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
#5146126 - 01/06/06 09:10 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Swami said:
Herein lies the problem with all these stories, paranormal and otherwise. Of course there is a reasonable explanation, but people tend to think if their mighty intellect /knowledge base cannot grasp it, then it must be magic. This is an egocentric fallacy. You and I don't know how to design a CPU chip, but so what?
Let me repeat: Ignorance <> mystical event.
Do you mean to say that everyone who believes the events described in Carlos Castaneda's books, cannot intellectually grasp the concept that he might be full of shit? Or cannot wrap their minds around the possibility that certain reports of his may be metaphorical, exaggerated, or simply the man's delusions?
Edited by Misanthrope (01/06/06 09:15 AM)
|
Sinbad
Living TheMoment
Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
#5146143 - 01/06/06 09:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Swami said:
There's just no reasonable explanation
That you are currently aware of.
Herein lies the problem with all these stories, paranormal and otherwise. Of course there is a reasonable explanation, but people tend to think if their mighty intellect /knowledge base cannot grasp it, then it must be magic.
Assumptions are just as flawed as blind faith. Do you really believe that there has to be a logical, reasonable explanation to every event that takes place in the phenomenal universe?
--------------------
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Sinbad]
#5146153 - 01/06/06 09:27 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
This is the same conclusion that I draw. Each manifestation of our Universe seems magical to me, and because we have something called science and logic that attempts to contain it does not explain any of it to me really. The fact that more is going on then I can contain or understand is a given in my book.
Still, that's no reason to believe things just because they massage our fears.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Misanthrope
Stranger
Registered: 10/06/05
Posts: 79
Last seen: 15 years, 10 months
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Icelander]
#5146161 - 01/06/06 09:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
http://www.webster.com/dictionary/magic
"2a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source"
I fail to see how the word is misused when talking about matters where there's no accepted scientific terms or formulas that describe the events in question.
|
Cubenisseur
Mad Props
Registered: 12/04/05
Posts: 1,392
Loc: Indian Land
Last seen: 14 years, 5 months
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Misanthrope]
#5146317 - 01/06/06 10:45 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
The best definition of science that I have heard is that it is like a blind man grouping an elephant.
|
Swami
Eggshell Walker
Registered: 01/18/00
Posts: 15,413
Loc: In the hen house
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Cubenisseur]
#5146400 - 01/06/06 11:13 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Nothing like a group of elephants that I have herd of.
--------------------
The proof is in the pudding.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Cubenisseur]
#5146470 - 01/06/06 11:32 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Kinky! Do you have a link? 
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Huehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,694
Loc: On the Border
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
#5147357 - 01/06/06 02:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
" there are Cloud Shamans who turn into clouds, into mist. I have never seen this happen"
I am an Ass Shaman. If you say something I don't like I will turn into an ass right in front of you. Many people have seen me exhibit this power.
--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5147368 - 01/06/06 02:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5148188 - 01/06/06 05:24 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I remember this one thread on pedophiles... 
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (01/06/06 05:25 PM)
|
Fospher
Crime FightingMaster Criminal
Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 2,033
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5148691 - 01/06/06 08:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Well thats nice of you.
|
charliewired
Stranger
Registered: 01/06/06
Posts: 24
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
#5150766 - 01/07/06 01:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I was very disappointed to read stories from people close to CC - that told a tale of a cult like environment, full of chickypoo "appentices", and in which CC was the primary sperm dispensor, I also read alot of evidence that has been pointed out where CC contradicts himself in terms of being in 2 places at once, eating imaginary fungus, and things of this nature. it was a shame - I agree the books are well researched though and personally I got some very useful stuff out of them - They are a great tale if nothing else.
Cheers
Charliewired
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: charliewired]
#5151146 - 01/07/06 03:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
CC= bad boy. 
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Corporal Kielbasa
Registered: 05/29/04
Posts: 17,235
|
Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
#5151161 - 01/07/06 03:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
one mans preception on reality is just that. One masn preception. Fiction to all that don't know wernt there and so on.
|
|
Threaded
Previous
Index
Next
Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale 
Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order 
Red Vein Kratom
Edit 
Reply 
1 2 3 4 all )
Anonymous
Cosmic_Monkey
lucid
Swami
Demon
