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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
    #5145694 - 01/06/06 03:06 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I couldn't explain where he went.

Nor can most folks explain Criss Angel's levitation. Lack of understanding does NOT equal real magick.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5145714 - 01/06/06 03:19 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Swami said:
Bzzzzt!  :thumbdown:

Reread the part where Carlos asks Don Juan this very question then get back to me.




Ha, well you got me.

I was quick to write my response, didnt formulate properly of what I wanted to say. 

In fact, Im gonna refrain from rephrasing the question, it serves no purpose. Live and learn baby.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5145722 - 01/06/06 03:24 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Swami said:
I couldn't explain where he went.

Nor can most folks explain Criss Angel's levitation. Lack of understanding does NOT equal real magick.




Criss Angel is a whole another story. The fact that all he does is just acting with hired actors portrayed as innocent bystanders sounds absurd to me. If it was just camera work, this would get exposed on the internet way before he got past his first season.

But the fact that he can take a woman's ring in a restaurant, have it disappear on the table right in front of her eyes and appear in her drink of water inside an ice cube really fucks with my logic. As much as shamans turning into clouds. There's just no reasonable explanation, but my debunking nature just cant take it for granted. Thats why I really want to experience it with my own two eyes.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
    #5145736 - 01/06/06 03:31 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

There's just no reasonable explanation

That you are currently aware of.

Herein lies the problem with all these stories, paranormal and otherwise. Of course there is a reasonable explanation, but people tend to think if their mighty intellect /knowledge base cannot grasp it, then it must be magic. This is an egocentric fallacy. You and I don't know how to design a CPU chip, but so what?

Let me repeat: Ignorance <> mystical event.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5145999 - 01/06/06 09:14 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

For Swami,

What can be understood with modern human knowledge is extremely shallow and tiny; it is far from truly coming to terms with the truth of the universe. Some people even dare not face, touch upon, or admit the facts of phenomena that objectively exist, because they are too conservative and unwilling to change their conventional thinking.



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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5146118 - 01/06/06 11:08 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Let me repeat: Ignorance <> mystical event

I don't think there is anyway to know if all so called mystical events are based in ignorance. Being a skeptic I keep an open mind.  :wink:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5146126 - 01/06/06 11:10 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Herein lies the problem with all these stories, paranormal and otherwise. Of course there is a reasonable explanation, but people tend to think if their mighty intellect /knowledge base cannot grasp it, then it must be magic. This is an egocentric fallacy. You and I don't know how to design a CPU chip, but so what?

Let me repeat: Ignorance <> mystical event.




Do you mean to say that everyone who believes the events described in Carlos Castaneda's books, cannot intellectually grasp the concept that he might be full of shit? Or cannot wrap their minds around the possibility that certain reports of his may be metaphorical, exaggerated, or simply the man's delusions?


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Swami]
    #5146143 - 01/06/06 11:17 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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There's just no reasonable explanation

That you are currently aware of.

Herein lies the problem with all these stories, paranormal and otherwise. Of course there is a reasonable explanation, but people tend to think if their mighty intellect /knowledge base cannot grasp it, then it must be magic.




Assumptions are just as flawed as blind faith. Do you really believe that there has to be a logical, reasonable explanation to every event that takes place in the phenomenal universe?


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Sinbad]
    #5146153 - 01/06/06 11:27 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

This is the same conclusion that I draw. Each manifestation of our Universe seems magical to me, and because we have something called science and logic that attempts to contain it does not explain any of it to me really. The fact that more is going on then I can contain or understand is a given in my book.

Still, that's no reason to believe things just because they massage our fears.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Icelander]
    #5146161 - 01/06/06 11:31 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

http://www.webster.com/dictionary/magic
"2a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source"

I fail to see how the word is misused when talking about matters where there's no accepted scientific terms or formulas that describe the events in question.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Misanthrope]
    #5146317 - 01/06/06 12:45 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

The best definition of science that I have heard is that it is like a blind man grouping an elephant.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5146400 - 01/06/06 01:13 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Nothing like a group of elephants that I have herd of.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5146470 - 01/06/06 01:32 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Kinky! Do you have a link? :smile:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
    #5147357 - 01/06/06 04:52 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

" there are Cloud Shamans who turn into clouds, into mist. I have never seen this happen"

I am an Ass Shaman. If you say something I don't like I will turn into an ass right in front of you. Many people have seen me exhibit this power.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5147368 - 01/06/06 04:54 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

:rotfl:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5148188 - 01/06/06 07:24 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

I remember this one thread on pedophiles... :mushroom2:




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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5148691 - 01/06/06 10:13 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Well thats nice of you.


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
    #5150766 - 01/07/06 03:11 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

I was very disappointed to read stories from people close to CC - that told a tale of a cult like environment, full of chickypoo "appentices", and in which CC was the primary sperm dispensor, I also read alot of evidence that has been pointed out where CC contradicts himself in terms of being in 2 places at once, eating imaginary fungus, and things of this nature. it was a shame - I agree the books are well researched though and personally I got some very useful stuff out of them - They are a great tale if nothing else.
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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: charliewired]
    #5151146 - 01/07/06 05:37 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

CC= bad boy. :grin:


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Re: Authenticity of Carlos Cantaneda's Works [Re: Fospher]
    #5151161 - 01/07/06 05:47 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

one mans preception on reality is just that. One masn preception. Fiction to all that don't know wernt there and so on.


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