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    #5150228 - 01/07/06 10:28 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)


Rig LC lids like this.


1 each level tablespoon light dry malt & dry dextrose.
To a quart of water.
Add nutes to boiling water, decant through double coffee filters.
Half each into 2 quart jars.
Add a marble to each jar as an agitating device.
PC 20 minutes.
Coll overnight.

Inoculate LC with spores, colonized agar or tissue.
Incubate 76 to 84F.
agitate daily.

Wait until you have a thick LC.


Soak WBS 24 hours, rinse, drain & jar up.


PC jars 90 minutes @ 15 to 18 psi.
Shake each jar, as you remove from PC.
Coll jars overnight.

Inoculate WBS jars with LC, 4 to 5 ml each.

Keep needle wrapped in alc soaked gauze pad, at all time.
Minimizes needle exposure to open air.

Incubate jars close to 80F.



Find big block of COIR.


Buy several GLAD OVEN-WARE CONTAINERS.


Find/buy a roll of micropore paper tape.
(any drug store in bandage section)


Hydrate Coir with hot water to saturation point.
Doesn't drip when you pick up a handful.
Does drip when you give it a firm gentle squeeze.
Place coir in plastic bags.
Nuke several times for 3 minutes each.
Seal bags with a rubber band.
Allow bags to cool overnight.

Drill a couple 1/2 inch holes in GLAD OVEN WARE LIDS.
Cover holes with Micropore tape.

Use colonized WBS as spawn @ 50% rate to Coir in Glad trays.
Add lid to tray.

Incubate trays at 80F.


Once trays are colonized.
Open lid & add thin layer of casing cover mixture.
50/50 pH adjusted peat (adjusted pH 7.5)& Verm.
Add oyster shell flour as a long term buffer.

Incubate trays 3 to 5 more days.
(until myc hits casing surface in spots)


Remove lids.
Place trays in a fruiting chamber.
(85 to 95% rh & 80F)
Expose to 12/12 light & FAE.





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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: agar]
    #5150234 - 01/07/06 10:32 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Very nice as usual Agar. How does the potency compare to horse manure?

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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: Wronguy]
    #5150264 - 01/07/06 10:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

ha funny as i am just up to trynig coir myself for the next go  :smile:
good to see that itll gonna work as i am expecting it to,
thats why i dont use coir in my casing layers, it just got to many damn nutes itself !
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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: Wronguy]
    #5150273 - 01/07/06 10:50 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

As good, if not far BETTER than any shroom off a PF style cake.

It's just a toilet flush simple TEK, for those who want to do semi-bulk.
But, don't have large fruiting space & a h/poo, or compost supply.

You can find about everything, in an afternoon around any decent sized town. WBS & Coir from a pet store. Glad OVEN-WARE trays at any large grocery store. Micropore tape at any large chain drug store (single dispenser like Scotch tape - NEXCARE brand).


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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: agar]
    #5150282 - 01/07/06 10:52 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like it's pretty comparable to a straw substrate.

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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: ohmatic]
    #5150284 - 01/07/06 10:53 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Coir will OVERLAY if you are not right on top it.
I use coir in my casing mix (for a CAC'ing effect).
But, only about 5% coir.
In other words, a couple handfulls to a large 50/50 mix.


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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: Wronguy]
    #5150292 - 01/07/06 10:56 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I would say BETTER than straw.

I'm not a STRAW substrate fan.

Sure, well prepared straw will colonize quickly.

But, to me it's a one flush wonder.

It doesn't rehydrate well, and after 1 flush seems very contaminate prone.

Just my $0.02 cents on straw.


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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: agar]
    #5150310 - 01/07/06 11:01 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Coir works great as substrate material. The only problem I have with it is; the fruit from the later flushes are extremely weak. First flush fruits are fine and even the second on occasion, but the third and fourth require double the dosage....lol!

It's really strange how far the fruit potency declines with coir. This was a third flush with coir and me and my pal had to eat damn near all of them.

Edited by hotnutz (01/07/06 11:05 AM)

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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5150469 - 01/07/06 12:04 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

That happens because as the myc digests the nutrients in the substrate.
Naturally, it takes the good stuff first.
Coir is very low in nitrogen.
Which (IMHO) is needed for higher potency.

Next batch, add 10 to 20% weathered h/poo.

If you don't have h/poo, add a tiny bit of blood meal, or cotton seed meal, or any high nitrogen ORGANIC fertilizer. :thumbup:


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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: agar]
    #5150710 - 01/07/06 01:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I simply use horse manure and compost for substrate and now have left coir alone. But, coir alone is an easy, managable substrate material for any new grower for sure....

Edited by hotnutz (01/07/06 01:01 PM)

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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: Hotnuts]
    #5151251 - 01/07/06 04:36 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Great thread...I'll be referring to this in the future...

I did not know that would work...

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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5151274 - 01/07/06 04:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

So, the more nitrogen, the higher the potency? I wonder if a high nitrogen fertilizer added to horse poo would up the potency noticeably.

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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: jmg5] * 1
    #5151297 - 01/07/06 04:52 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You want the NITROGEN level under 3.7%

H/poo is about that.

Adding more may/could/would cause damage, rather than benefit.
To hot & it burns things.


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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: agar]
    #5151302 - 01/07/06 04:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

cool!

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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: agar]
    #5158952 - 01/09/06 04:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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I would say BETTER than straw.

I'm not a STRAW substrate fan.

Sure, well prepared straw will colonize quickly.

But, to me it's a one flush wonder.

It doesn't rehydrate well, and after 1 flush seems very contaminate prone.

Just my $0.02 cents on straw.




Same here. Well for bulk applications anyways. I'd only recommend using straw for Roger's straw log technique. Coir is far better for bulks anyday of the week IMHO....

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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: Hotnuts] * 1
    #5159152 - 01/09/06 05:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Except, coir is ten to one hundred times the price of straw, so it's not really a fair comparison. Coir is a great substrate material though. Too bad about the price. For nitrogen, you can add blood meal to all substrate materials including horse manure, at the rate of one tablespoon to ten cups of substrate. It really does make a difference in the quality of your crop after harvest.


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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5179393 - 01/14/06 07:25 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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You want the NITROGEN level under 3.7%

H/poo is about that.

Adding more may/could/would cause damage, rather than benefit.
To hot & it burns things.




I always had success with adding a weak solution of organic liquid fertiliser (seaweed extract) to the horse poo too bring it to field capacity - and then pasutrising in sealed oven bags as not too leach out any nutrients.

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Except, coir is ten to one hundred times the price of straw, so it's not really a fair comparison.




A block of coir that expands to 9 litres is $2 Australian (about $1.50 US) at my local supermarket. Although this is probably still more expensive than straw, it is a negligable amount of money and very easy to store - if you were only growing smaller amounts and had less space to work with.

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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: _OttO_]
    #5179702 - 01/14/06 10:38 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How much blood meal would you suggest using Agar? Looking on some websites it appears that blood meal has a N content of about 12%.

I suck at math (art student:grin:) so about what percentage would you suggest?


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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: JustK]
    #5179718 - 01/14/06 10:43 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Not much.
Maybe a tablespoon to 5 lbs of dry h/poo.
Which would be just under 15 lbs of wet substrate.


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Re: Coir as substrate. [Re: agar]
    #5179728 - 01/14/06 10:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I was referring to if you were using ONLY the coir as your substrate. I'm trying to avoid using poo, although I will most likely experiment with it in the future. I have a good source for it...my boss :wink:


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