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Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification...
    #5143860 - 01/05/06 04:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Hi there, my first post on the board!
My name's Alex and I am italian, if you're interested :smile:
I tried to look for an answer to my question here on the forum for quite a while, but believe me if I say it isn't easy at all, there's a lot of stuff to be read... the amount of information is more than impressive.

Anyway, here's my question (1)

I've grown some B+ and had some good results two times in a row (wow!) using casing techniques.
Colonisation temperature was 23?C (73?F) and fruiting temp was between 18 (64F) and 20?C (68F).
I did the same using keeper's creeper spores, and what i got were shorter, very fast-growing, quite fat shrooms.
Quite different from the pics of creepers I've seen around.
Could this be because of the fruiting temp (too low)?

Another question (2):

Once picked and perhaps touched by me, the creepers became instantly very blue, much more than what happened with the B+s (only slight signs of blue-ish).
Does this difference mean the creepers are much more powerful than the B+? Is the blue-ification an indicator of the shrooms potency? Or is it only because in a smaller mushroom (creepers) lies the same amount of psylocibin I get in my bigger B+s?

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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: cupevampe]
    #5144139 - 01/05/06 06:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I use the creeper strain. I have also noticed the blue on them as well. Most of it is just bruising during picking. Yes they are a very potent strain, however, I'm not sure that that is a reason to dye it blue. Some of it might be that you are letting them grow too much and the veil broke and the cap is spreading and it's dropping spores. Sorry I cant be more help, but from 1 creeper grower to the next, what you describe is normal, and yes, it is a very potent strain.

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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: BigPete1999]
    #5144243 - 01/05/06 06:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

my last 5 grows were creepers.

keepers creepers are sort of a fabrication of the Keeper, from what i understand. this guy renamed some strains to his liking and started sellng them for higher prices.

as to what they look like, depending on my substrate depth, i got short, skinny hollow ones, and large fat boys. they dont blue much, but are still very potent. theres a good chance that you and i had different "creeper' spores.

thats all i can offer.

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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: Omnicracker]
    #5145889 - 01/06/06 03:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for your replies.
But what about blueification? As a general rule, can it be some sort of indicator of the shrooms' potency?

For some reason, I don't think so but... what do you think about this?

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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: cupevampe]
    #5145950 - 01/06/06 06:17 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

No. Bluing is not an indicator of potency. All it means is that the active alkaloids are oxidizing. So in a sense to much bruising can be bad.


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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: Aiko Aiko]
    #5148107 - 01/06/06 05:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Here are two pics that show my "strange" creepers.
One of the pics shows a 2-flavours casing, with two different strains on it: B+ and Creepers
Pic 1

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Pic 2

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I tend to believe my creepers didnt grow as the B+ did because of th temperature, perhaps too low for the creepers... could that be?


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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: cupevampe]
    #5148164 - 01/06/06 05:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'd love to take a look, but the pics not there. :shrug:


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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: Aiko Aiko]
    #5148198 - 01/06/06 05:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Now the pics are online
Lemme Know!

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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: cupevampe]
    #5148208 - 01/06/06 05:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

blueing indicates nothing except for mushroom ID.

Let me get this straight, you combined B+ mycellium and KC mycellium in the SAME tray? Like you just crumbled the two together and cased it? Thats a huge problem right there, you need to keep all strains seperated. If you do what you did the two strains are gonna duke it out until one of them overtakes the other.


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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: coda]
    #5148235 - 01/06/06 05:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

coda said:
Let me get this straight, you combined B+ mycellium and KC mycellium in the SAME tray? Like you just crumbled the two together and cased it? Thats a huge problem right there, you need to keep all strains seperated. If you do what you did the two strains are gonna duke it out until one of them overtakes the other.




I did not crumble the two strains together.
It's just like a 2 flavours icecream... on the left, KC, on the right, B+.
Anyway, I already harvested the 1st flush, and got a very good result from the B+, while the KC arent as big or as many as the B+

But as you can see from my pics, the tray KC only didn't gave me any better result.

So, my point is, I suspect KC is much more subsceptible to the temperature factor. I mean, B+ grows quite well while KC remains short...


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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: coda]
    #5148246 - 01/06/06 05:37 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Isn't that odd that two strains were even able to fruit off the same casing? Next time make two casings and fruit in the same conditions, then you can really compare strains. GL Bro!


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Re: Creepers, B+, temperature and blueification... [Re: Aiko Aiko]
    #5148291 - 01/06/06 05:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I tried to case 2 strains in the same tray because I read about it somewhere (dont remember where, though). Someone somewhere (eheheh) also said it is important not to crumble together the cakes.
So that's what I did.

It is kinda cool seeing two strains in the same tray, anyway :smile:

Has anyone on this messageboard tested this 2-strains-in-1-tray technique before? :smile: I can guess doing this "technique" will result in "less food" available for the shrooms, so better not do it... am I wrong?

Anyway I did it just to experiment a bit!


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